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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: d</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 01:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For more go to
  www.chuckyeager.com
  Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more go to<br />
  <a href="http://www.chuckyeager.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.chuckyeager.com</a><br />
  Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Yeager Boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yeager Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeager making new records:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlsWD1-fmIk

Yeager &amp; Boyd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ9_Y3oGihU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeager making new records:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlsWD1-fmIk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlsWD1-fmIk</a></p>
<p>Yeager &#038; Boyd:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ9_Y3oGihU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ9_Y3oGihU</a></p>
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		<title>By: GaterNate</title>
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		<dc:creator>GaterNate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in awe of The BA&#039;s ability to still enjoy all the various sci-fi franchises he&#039;s into even though many of them feature faster-than-light travel. I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d be able to enjoy a single story that depended on a concept I&#039;d written off as impossible, and watching multiple seasons of multiple shows would probably make my frakkin&#039; head explode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in awe of The BA&#8217;s ability to still enjoy all the various sci-fi franchises he&#8217;s into even though many of them feature faster-than-light travel. I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d be able to enjoy a single story that depended on a concept I&#8217;d written off as impossible, and watching multiple seasons of multiple shows would probably make my frakkin&#8217; head explode.</p>
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		<title>By: KaiYeves</title>
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		<dc:creator>KaiYeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats, Yeager!</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the true &#039;coolness&#039; factors of the internet is when someone related to a post shows up, assuming this isn&#039;t an impostor (I don&#039;t see a mention of a &#039;Virginia Yeager&#039; The General&#039;s Bio, though his children&#039;s names aren&#039;t given):

http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/10/14/yeager-meister/#comment-135613</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the true &#8216;coolness&#8217; factors of the internet is when someone related to a post shows up, assuming this isn&#8217;t an impostor (I don&#8217;t see a mention of a &#8216;Virginia Yeager&#8217; The General&#8217;s Bio, though his children&#8217;s names aren&#8217;t given):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/10/14/yeager-meister/#comment-135613" rel="nofollow">http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/10/14/yeager-meister/#comment-135613</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yojimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yojimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Atkins - I checked myself, and you&#039;re right about the F-86E being the first to have the all-flying tail.  I&#039;m not sure I agree that diving the Sabre was not true controlled flight, though.  The sources I have say that it was fully controlable except for a slight tendency to nose up as it went supersonic.  The big problem was that the power-boosted elevators stressed the airframe, in particular the elevator trailing edge, when pulling out of a supersonic dive, and the controls felt &quot;funny&quot;.

As for Welch, sonic booms were reported on both occasions, and the same plane was later confirmed at speeds over Mach 1, so it seems pretty clear that Wheaties did better than &quot;almost&quot;.  :)

In any case, my point was not to usurp Yeager, but just to point out that there are some other guys who ought not be forgotten.

From one airplane geek to another - salute!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Atkins &#8211; I checked myself, and you&#8217;re right about the F-86E being the first to have the all-flying tail.  I&#8217;m not sure I agree that diving the Sabre was not true controlled flight, though.  The sources I have say that it was fully controlable except for a slight tendency to nose up as it went supersonic.  The big problem was that the power-boosted elevators stressed the airframe, in particular the elevator trailing edge, when pulling out of a supersonic dive, and the controls felt &#8220;funny&#8221;.</p>
<p>As for Welch, sonic booms were reported on both occasions, and the same plane was later confirmed at speeds over Mach 1, so it seems pretty clear that Wheaties did better than &#8220;almost&#8221;.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In any case, my point was not to usurp Yeager, but just to point out that there are some other guys who ought not be forgotten.</p>
<p>From one airplane geek to another &#8211; salute!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also ten years today since the Andy Green became the first person to break the sound barrier on the ground.  Fifty years and one day after Yeager&#039;s flight.

Unlike the flying record, where a human broke the sound barrier only about 6 years after the V2, it took 49 years from the first ground vehicle breaking the sound barrier to the first human doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also ten years today since the Andy Green became the first person to break the sound barrier on the ground.  Fifty years and one day after Yeager&#8217;s flight.</p>
<p>Unlike the flying record, where a human broke the sound barrier only about 6 years after the V2, it took 49 years from the first ground vehicle breaking the sound barrier to the first human doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: jest</title>
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		<dc:creator>jest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no, I was referring to later on, not originally ;)

It&#039;d be kinda silly to say &quot;hey let&#039;s build a fighter jet.  Oh, I know, let&#039;s shape it like a coke bottle!&quot;  hehe.  I&#039;m certain a lot of math and theory went into it long before they started looking around for further inspiration.

Of course, sometimes you have to look back to look forward (like NASA&#039;s next-gen manned probes, to replace the shuttle fleet).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, I was referring to later on, not originally <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It&#8217;d be kinda silly to say &#8220;hey let&#8217;s build a fighter jet.  Oh, I know, let&#8217;s shape it like a coke bottle!&#8221;  hehe.  I&#8217;m certain a lot of math and theory went into it long before they started looking around for further inspiration.</p>
<p>Of course, sometimes you have to look back to look forward (like NASA&#8217;s next-gen manned probes, to replace the shuttle fleet).</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Atkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Atkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 03:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of points on aerodynamics, which I like almost as much as astronomy:

Yojimboken- George &quot;Wheaties&quot; Welch did almost get supersonic, but almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. He was in a dive, not in true controlled flight. A lot of pilots in WW II ran into what was later recognised as compressibility effects, especially in late model Spitfires and P-38 Lightnings. BTW, early F-86 models didn&#039;t have the all-moving tail- that came along on the F-86E if I recall correctly. If you really want to get into the nuts and bolts, read &quot;Supersonic Flight&quot; by Richard P. Hallion- he describes in massive detail the Bell XS-1 and Douglas D-558-2 Skyrocket projects. Most of &quot;The Right Stuff&quot; is reasonably accurate, at least in the book. The movie takes a lot of license.  Also- Welch survived Pearl Harbor and was the pilot killed in testing the F-86&#039;s big brother, the F-100. That&#039;s how inertia coupling was discovered, and why jet fighters have big single or double tails, incidentally.
Jest- the deal with the Arrow had nothing to do with coke bottles originally- it&#039;s called Whitcomb&#039;s (he also invented winglets, like on passenger planes) area rule. Aerodynamic drag is reduced if the cross-sectional area of the plane increases and decreases smoothly according to a particular function. The fuselage pinches in where the wings attach so as to keep the total area increasing smoothly. Modern jets do the same thing, but in a more subtle fashion. Wings and fuselages are generally blended together so the area ruling is not as blatantly obvious. Check out a picture of a Convair F-102A, which predated the Arrow (which I LOVE but the fools tried to build an airframe, an engine and a fire control system all from scratch, guaranteeing MASSIVE cost overruns).
OK, so I&#039;m a airplane geek, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of points on aerodynamics, which I like almost as much as astronomy:</p>
<p>Yojimboken- George &#8220;Wheaties&#8221; Welch did almost get supersonic, but almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. He was in a dive, not in true controlled flight. A lot of pilots in WW II ran into what was later recognised as compressibility effects, especially in late model Spitfires and P-38 Lightnings. BTW, early F-86 models didn&#8217;t have the all-moving tail- that came along on the F-86E if I recall correctly. If you really want to get into the nuts and bolts, read &#8220;Supersonic Flight&#8221; by Richard P. Hallion- he describes in massive detail the Bell XS-1 and Douglas D-558-2 Skyrocket projects. Most of &#8220;The Right Stuff&#8221; is reasonably accurate, at least in the book. The movie takes a lot of license.  Also- Welch survived Pearl Harbor and was the pilot killed in testing the F-86&#8242;s big brother, the F-100. That&#8217;s how inertia coupling was discovered, and why jet fighters have big single or double tails, incidentally.<br />
Jest- the deal with the Arrow had nothing to do with coke bottles originally- it&#8217;s called Whitcomb&#8217;s (he also invented winglets, like on passenger planes) area rule. Aerodynamic drag is reduced if the cross-sectional area of the plane increases and decreases smoothly according to a particular function. The fuselage pinches in where the wings attach so as to keep the total area increasing smoothly. Modern jets do the same thing, but in a more subtle fashion. Wings and fuselages are generally blended together so the area ruling is not as blatantly obvious. Check out a picture of a Convair F-102A, which predated the Arrow (which I LOVE but the fools tried to build an airframe, an engine and a fire control system all from scratch, guaranteeing MASSIVE cost overruns).<br />
OK, so I&#8217;m a airplane geek, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Yojimboken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yojimboken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 03:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aramael - Ah!  I see what you&#039;re saying, and I believe you&#039;re right.  Photons, being massless, must propogate at C.  On the other hand, I&#039;m a long way from a physicist  :)

Keith Harwood - I remember that film.  Just &quot;reverse the controls...&quot; I think it is highly likely that Yeager (or Welch) was not the first to go supersonic - just the first to be confirmed as doing so by accurate measurement.  German fliers in the Me 163 and Me 262 probably did it, as well as a few piston driven planes - the P-38, P-47 late models, Do-335 and other piston fighters were certainly capable of the raw power required.  The problem was doing it and &lt;i&gt;surviving&lt;/i&gt;, a much trickier proposition.  I suspect the sound barrier was broken many times by pilots who did not live to tell the tale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aramael &#8211; Ah!  I see what you&#8217;re saying, and I believe you&#8217;re right.  Photons, being massless, must propogate at C.  On the other hand, I&#8217;m a long way from a physicist  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Keith Harwood &#8211; I remember that film.  Just &#8220;reverse the controls&#8230;&#8221; I think it is highly likely that Yeager (or Welch) was not the first to go supersonic &#8211; just the first to be confirmed as doing so by accurate measurement.  German fliers in the Me 163 and Me 262 probably did it, as well as a few piston driven planes &#8211; the P-38, P-47 late models, Do-335 and other piston fighters were certainly capable of the raw power required.  The problem was doing it and <i>surviving</i>, a much trickier proposition.  I suspect the sound barrier was broken many times by pilots who did not live to tell the tale.</p>
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		<title>By: singlepilot.net &#187; Chuck Yeager Breaks the Sound Barrier</title>
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		<dc:creator>singlepilot.net &#187; Chuck Yeager Breaks the Sound Barrier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 02:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Bad Astronomy each provide tributes to Yeager on this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Keith Harwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Harwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 01:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of people who remember the film `Sound Barrier&#039; think it was the British who broke the sound barrier first. Not true, of course, though, for its day, it was very convincing, including the bit, IIRC, about the Spitfire getting pretty near the speed of sound in a dive. There was some seriously hairy physics going on at the propeller tips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people who remember the film `Sound Barrier&#8217; think it was the British who broke the sound barrier first. Not true, of course, though, for its day, it was very convincing, including the bit, IIRC, about the Spitfire getting pretty near the speed of sound in a dive. There was some seriously hairy physics going on at the propeller tips.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyberax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyberax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Martin:
&gt;Cerenkov radiation isnâ€™t really a violation of the light-speed limit. Cerenkov radiation involves exceeding the local regional average rate at which photon radiation is propagated. The speed known as â€œcâ€ remains an unbreached asymptotic limit.

Actually, currently THERE IS at least one theoretical way to have true &gt;c speeds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect There might be a possibility to create a &quot;less dense&quot; vacuum which allows light to propagate faster.

Testing if it&#039;s true is not currently possible. But I hope that one day someone will discover a way to create FTL engines based on this effect :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Martin:<br />
&gt;Cerenkov radiation isnâ€™t really a violation of the light-speed limit. Cerenkov radiation involves exceeding the local regional average rate at which photon radiation is propagated. The speed known as â€œcâ€ remains an unbreached asymptotic limit.</p>
<p>Actually, currently THERE IS at least one theoretical way to have true &gt;c speeds: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect</a> There might be a possibility to create a &#8220;less dense&#8221; vacuum which allows light to propagate faster.</p>
<p>Testing if it&#8217;s true is not currently possible. But I hope that one day someone will discover a way to create FTL engines based on this effect <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jest</title>
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		<dc:creator>jest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is probably besides the point, but I noticed the bit about the Bell X-1&#039;s designed based on a 50 cal. bullet.  Interesting enough, there are reports that indicate the Canadian-built Avro Arrow, which eventually nailed mach 2 (1,307 mph, 2,104 km/h) at 50,000 ft (15,000 m), was influenced by a familiar shape.  They realized the old glass Coke bottles seemed to be aerodynamic enough to handle a certain speed.  Before that, there were stability issues.

It&#039;s funny how little innovations go a long way.

Hats off to Chuck, absolutely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is probably besides the point, but I noticed the bit about the Bell X-1&#8242;s designed based on a 50 cal. bullet.  Interesting enough, there are reports that indicate the Canadian-built Avro Arrow, which eventually nailed mach 2 (1,307 mph, 2,104 km/h) at 50,000 ft (15,000 m), was influenced by a familiar shape.  They realized the old glass Coke bottles seemed to be aerodynamic enough to handle a certain speed.  Before that, there were stability issues.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how little innovations go a long way.</p>
<p>Hats off to Chuck, absolutely.</p>
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		<title>By: Aramael Musitello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aramael Musitello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yojimboken: yes, but do the photons themselves?  Or is it the interaction with the medium that makes the propagation slower?

Anybody reading this article should really do themselves a favour and watch The Right Stuff.  I have no idea how accurate it is, but it&#039;s hugely entertaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yojimboken: yes, but do the photons themselves?  Or is it the interaction with the medium that makes the propagation slower?</p>
<p>Anybody reading this article should really do themselves a favour and watch The Right Stuff.  I have no idea how accurate it is, but it&#8217;s hugely entertaining.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ Barney</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ Barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was it Yeager and associates who taunted the first Astronauts something silly ? &quot;Anyone can sit in a rocket that fires itself into orbit&quot; ? Gotta have that friendly banter going I guess ;)

DJ Barney</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was it Yeager and associates who taunted the first Astronauts something silly ? &#8220;Anyone can sit in a rocket that fires itself into orbit&#8221; ? Gotta have that friendly banter going I guess <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>DJ Barney</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mc Atilla, yes you are correct, the speed of sound through an iron bar is faster than through air, I cannot think of many people who would try it though. And yes, you can cycle faster than speed of light but only if you do it on a road and the photons have to do it through a Bose-Einstein condensate. Wouldn&#039;t advise trying to follow the photons;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mc Atilla, yes you are correct, the speed of sound through an iron bar is faster than through air, I cannot think of many people who would try it though. And yes, you can cycle faster than speed of light but only if you do it on a road and the photons have to do it through a Bose-Einstein condensate. Wouldn&#8217;t advise trying to follow the photons;)</p>
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		<title>By: Yojimboken</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/10/14/yeager-meister/comment-page-1/#comment-51928</link>
		<dc:creator>Yojimboken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops - In my earlier comment, &quot;He almost flew supersonic...&quot; should not have the word &quot;almost&quot;  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops &#8211; In my earlier comment, &#8220;He almost flew supersonic&#8230;&#8221; should not have the word &#8220;almost&#8221;  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Yojimboken</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/10/14/yeager-meister/comment-page-1/#comment-51927</link>
		<dc:creator>Yojimboken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Aramael - the speed of light &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; vary depending on the medium.  It is only C in a vacuum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Aramael &#8211; the speed of light <i>does</i> vary depending on the medium.  It is only C in a vacuum.</p>
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		<title>By: Yojimboken</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/10/14/yeager-meister/comment-page-1/#comment-51925</link>
		<dc:creator>Yojimboken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again poor George Welch gets left out.  He almost flew supersonic at least twice at Muroc before Yeager made his flight - the second as the Yeager flight was taking off.  Welch was flight testing the XF-86 (which also had the flying tail) and went supresonic during dive testing.  That&#039;s why the Yeager record is stipulated to be &quot;in level flight&quot; (even though Yeager also began with a shallow dive).  The main reason Welch was not mentioned was that the Air Force wanted to keep the F-86&#039;s capability secret.

Welch is a fascinating character.  He was one of only a handfull of pilots who got into the air during the Pearl Harbor attack (he&#039;s shown in the movie &quot;Tora, Tora, Tora&quot;), and probably became an ace that day, but only had confirmation for four planes shot down.  He went on to successful combat experience flying P-39&#039;s and 38&#039;s, became a test pilot after the war, and died while testing the XF-100.

Chuck Yeager is a legend (and deservedly so), but there were a lot of other guys with &quot;the right stuff&quot;, like Welch, Marion Carl, Joe Walker and Scott Crossfield - it&#039;s just too bad they don&#039;t get remembered too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again poor George Welch gets left out.  He almost flew supersonic at least twice at Muroc before Yeager made his flight &#8211; the second as the Yeager flight was taking off.  Welch was flight testing the XF-86 (which also had the flying tail) and went supresonic during dive testing.  That&#8217;s why the Yeager record is stipulated to be &#8220;in level flight&#8221; (even though Yeager also began with a shallow dive).  The main reason Welch was not mentioned was that the Air Force wanted to keep the F-86&#8242;s capability secret.</p>
<p>Welch is a fascinating character.  He was one of only a handfull of pilots who got into the air during the Pearl Harbor attack (he&#8217;s shown in the movie &#8220;Tora, Tora, Tora&#8221;), and probably became an ace that day, but only had confirmation for four planes shot down.  He went on to successful combat experience flying P-39&#8242;s and 38&#8242;s, became a test pilot after the war, and died while testing the XF-100.</p>
<p>Chuck Yeager is a legend (and deservedly so), but there were a lot of other guys with &#8220;the right stuff&#8221;, like Welch, Marion Carl, Joe Walker and Scott Crossfield &#8211; it&#8217;s just too bad they don&#8217;t get remembered too.</p>
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		<title>By: Aramael Musitello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aramael Musitello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mc Atilla: The intrinsic speed of light is always c, when travelling through a medium, the interaction of photons with matter delay it.  Photons bounce from atom to atom at c, but they are absorbed by electrons which sit in a higher energy state for a non-zero length of time, before dropping back and releasing another photon.

If I am full of crap, I&#039;m sure somebody will let me know ...

By the way, the speed of sound limit and the speed of light limit are so different that it makes little sense to compare them.  As Phil said, breaking the former is an engineering problem, breaking the latter would require a fundamental change to our understanding of the universe.  It&#039;s nice to dream about, but it&#039;s not going to happen.  Luckily, we already live in a paradise, in a galaxy that is not altogether friendly to life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mc Atilla: The intrinsic speed of light is always c, when travelling through a medium, the interaction of photons with matter delay it.  Photons bounce from atom to atom at c, but they are absorbed by electrons which sit in a higher energy state for a non-zero length of time, before dropping back and releasing another photon.</p>
<p>If I am full of crap, I&#8217;m sure somebody will let me know &#8230;</p>
<p>By the way, the speed of sound limit and the speed of light limit are so different that it makes little sense to compare them.  As Phil said, breaking the former is an engineering problem, breaking the latter would require a fundamental change to our understanding of the universe.  It&#8217;s nice to dream about, but it&#8217;s not going to happen.  Luckily, we already live in a paradise, in a galaxy that is not altogether friendly to life.</p>
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		<title>By: Robinki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robinki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The announcement delay due to secrecy of the flying tail was 7 months, not years.</description>
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		<title>By: snap2grid</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/10/14/yeager-meister/comment-page-1/#comment-51922</link>
		<dc:creator>snap2grid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The all-moving tail originally came from the British Miles M.52 jet, which was cancelled before it could fly and all the experimental data shared with Bell before the X-1 was designed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The all-moving tail originally came from the British Miles M.52 jet, which was cancelled before it could fly and all the experimental data shared with Bell before the X-1 was designed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mc Atilla</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/10/14/yeager-meister/comment-page-1/#comment-51921</link>
		<dc:creator>Mc Atilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My greatest achievement in life is realising the extent of my own ignorance, but isn&#039;t the speed of sound entirely dependant on the medium it&#039;s travelling through? Yeager broke a sound barrier but not the speed of sound in all circumstances. I don&#039;t mean to demean the achievement but it&#039;s about speed rather than about an absolute limit.

On a slightly related topic is the speed of light variable, depending on the medium it&#039;s travelling through? It&#039;s maximum speed is fine but I&#039;ve read that, through sodium, at -272 deg C it can be as slow as 60 km/hr. Can this be true? I hope it is &#039;cos if so I&#039;ve broken light speed today on my bike!
(pedals, not pistons!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My greatest achievement in life is realising the extent of my own ignorance, but isn&#8217;t the speed of sound entirely dependant on the medium it&#8217;s travelling through? Yeager broke a sound barrier but not the speed of sound in all circumstances. I don&#8217;t mean to demean the achievement but it&#8217;s about speed rather than about an absolute limit.</p>
<p>On a slightly related topic is the speed of light variable, depending on the medium it&#8217;s travelling through? It&#8217;s maximum speed is fine but I&#8217;ve read that, through sodium, at -272 deg C it can be as slow as 60 km/hr. Can this be true? I hope it is &#8216;cos if so I&#8217;ve broken light speed today on my bike!<br />
(pedals, not pistons!)</p>
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		<title>By: Edward C</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/10/14/yeager-meister/comment-page-1/#comment-51920</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes I remember it well.  A long time ago.</description>
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