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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Scientists heartened by potential appointees</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/10/24/bush-league-science-again/comment-page-2/#comment-142512</link>
		<dc:creator>Scientists heartened by potential appointees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2007, the White House came underneath glow for modifying a CDC report upon the outcome tellurian warming would have upon open [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scientists Heartened by Potential Appointees &#124; MyJobBoardSoftware</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scientists Heartened by Potential Appointees &#124; MyJobBoardSoftware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2007, the White House came under fire for editing a CDC report on the effect global warming would have on public [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well for all of you who desire an enlightened analytical view of all things science related that corrects the often misguided &quot;science&quot; we get from the media I highly recommend the Junk Science website hosted by Steven Milloy. (No, I&#039;m not Milloy :-)

Mr. Milloy holds a B.A. in Natural Sciences from the Johns Hopkins University, a Master of Health Sciences in Biostatistics from the Johns Hopkins University School of Hygiene and Public Health, a Juris Doctorate from the University of Baltimore, and a Master of Laws from the Georgetown University Law Center.

The website is: http://junkscience.com/

Enjoy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well for all of you who desire an enlightened analytical view of all things science related that corrects the often misguided &#8220;science&#8221; we get from the media I highly recommend the Junk Science website hosted by Steven Milloy. (No, I&#8217;m not Milloy <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mr. Milloy holds a B.A. in Natural Sciences from the Johns Hopkins University, a Master of Health Sciences in Biostatistics from the Johns Hopkins University School of Hygiene and Public Health, a Juris Doctorate from the University of Baltimore, and a Master of Laws from the Georgetown University Law Center.</p>
<p>The website is: <a href="http://junkscience.com/" rel="nofollow">http://junkscience.com/</a></p>
<p>Enjoy!</p>
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		<title>By: bush &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bush league science again</title>
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		<dc:creator>bush &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bush league science again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the rest of this great post here [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t understand some parts of this article nnial 2007 - salvatore iaconesi - del.icio.us poetry, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t understand some parts of this article nnial 2007 &#8211; salvatore iaconesi &#8211; del.icio.us poetry, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Dizzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dizzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the posts now seem to be so far off-topic, I don&#039;t know if anyone is still interested in the original topic, but:

Here is a web link to the unedited draft version of the Gerberding testimony (it just came through on a listserv I subsribe to:

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/ajc/pdf/gerberding.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the posts now seem to be so far off-topic, I don&#8217;t know if anyone is still interested in the original topic, but:</p>
<p>Here is a web link to the unedited draft version of the Gerberding testimony (it just came through on a listserv I subsribe to:</p>
<p><a href="http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/ajc/pdf/gerberding.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/ajc/pdf/gerberding.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Centipede</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/10/24/bush-league-science-again/comment-page-2/#comment-52851</link>
		<dc:creator>The Centipede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; History will look back and show exactly when we went from being a republic to being an empire.

Spanish-American War.

Failing that, the War of 1812 (a war of New Yorker imperialism, although it failed miserably).

I&#039;m pretty sure the Indians would say the founding of Jamestown would be a good indicator of an initial point of time in the whole start-of-empire thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; History will look back and show exactly when we went from being a republic to being an empire.</p>
<p>Spanish-American War.</p>
<p>Failing that, the War of 1812 (a war of New Yorker imperialism, although it failed miserably).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure the Indians would say the founding of Jamestown would be a good indicator of an initial point of time in the whole start-of-empire thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;An Associated Press report Tuesday, quoting an unnamed CDC source, said the White House heavily edited Dr. Gerberding&#039;s testimony on the potential impact on human health of global climate change. According to the AP, Dr. Gerberding&#039;s verbal testimony had far fewer details about specific health risks posted by climate change than an early version of her prepared remarks submitted to the White House Office of Management and Budget for review.

Dr. Gerberding, speaking Wednesday at a luncheon hosted by the Atlanta Press Club, dismissed as &quot;ridiculous&quot; such allegations.

&quot;This is not an issue of cover up related to climate change and health,&quot; she said.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;An Associated Press report Tuesday, quoting an unnamed CDC source, said the White House heavily edited Dr. Gerberding&#8217;s testimony on the potential impact on human health of global climate change. According to the AP, Dr. Gerberding&#8217;s verbal testimony had far fewer details about specific health risks posted by climate change than an early version of her prepared remarks submitted to the White House Office of Management and Budget for review.</p>
<p>Dr. Gerberding, speaking Wednesday at a luncheon hosted by the Atlanta Press Club, dismissed as &#8220;ridiculous&#8221; such allegations.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is not an issue of cover up related to climate change and health,&#8221; she said.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/10/24/bush-league-science-again/comment-page-2/#comment-52850</link>
		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt; Huh? I havenâ€™t seen anything about increasing taxes -

Don&#039;t know how to help you there. Open a newspaper? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Huh? I havenâ€™t seen anything about increasing taxes -</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know how to help you there. Open a newspaper? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/10/24/bush-league-science-again/comment-page-2/#comment-52849</link>
		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ibrahimon, your point is well taken, but I still think an impeachment would ultimately be counter productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ibrahimon, your point is well taken, but I still think an impeachment would ultimately be counter productive.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/10/24/bush-league-science-again/comment-page-2/#comment-52848</link>
		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt; Behind him is a huge tsunami ready to crash over him,
&gt;&gt;&gt; and heâ€™s saying â€œI donâ€™t buy into the apocalyptic
&gt;&gt;&gt; hysteria,â€ to several terrified people that are running away.

A fine illustration of the hysteria. Thank you.

&gt;&gt;&gt; This is what puzzles me about your comments on the
&gt;&gt;&gt; whole GW issue. The scientists in the relevant fields are
&gt;&gt;&gt; the ones saying itâ€™s probably going to get really bad.
&gt;&gt;&gt; The ones saying itâ€™s all hysteria and everything will be
&gt;&gt;&gt; fine are the useless politicians.

If that&#039;s what you think you see, so be it. I learned a while ago not to even argue on the topic anymore. People on BOTH sides of the issue have utterly self blinded themselves and discussion is fruitless.

And I&#039;m just too tired at this point in my life. So, OK: there&#039;s a big tsunami approaching. Great. Run with it, dude, and more power to ya. Have fun with that.

&gt;&gt;&gt; I understand where youâ€™re coming from - I used to be a
&gt;&gt;&gt; Republican too, but I stopped voting for them when I
&gt;&gt;&gt; realized how far theyâ€™d strayed from their roots.

I was never a Republican. I was never a member of any Party and never will be. I saw thorugh that BS before I could vote. Why is it if I fail to say anything short of &quot;OH NOES! THE GOP AM NAZIIIIS!&quot; people think I am or was Republican?

&gt;&gt;&gt;I figure thereâ€™s pretty much no difference between the
&gt;&gt;&gt; two parties.

Exactly. That&#039;s why I and an astonishing number of other people I personally know are planning retirements outside the USA. There is absolutely no one left here in the political arena on the side of decent, hardworking citizens. At least in some of the world&#039;s retirement hot spots they bend over backwards to attract me for my potential working capital. It&#039;s much more symbiotic and flat out HONEST than anything in this dippy La La Land.

In retirement I can pay taxes to support Ted Kennedy&#039;s gin blossoms and Bush&#039;s war and another corrupt Big Dig somewhere where billions of dollars buys you multiton concrete slabs falling off of tunnel ceilins and crushing cars.

Or I can party with Costa Rican whores on the beach every evening. Guess who wins?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Behind him is a huge tsunami ready to crash over him,<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; and heâ€™s saying â€œI donâ€™t buy into the apocalyptic<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; hysteria,â€ to several terrified people that are running away.</p>
<p>A fine illustration of the hysteria. Thank you.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; This is what puzzles me about your comments on the<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; whole GW issue. The scientists in the relevant fields are<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; the ones saying itâ€™s probably going to get really bad.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; The ones saying itâ€™s all hysteria and everything will be<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; fine are the useless politicians.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s what you think you see, so be it. I learned a while ago not to even argue on the topic anymore. People on BOTH sides of the issue have utterly self blinded themselves and discussion is fruitless.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m just too tired at this point in my life. So, OK: there&#8217;s a big tsunami approaching. Great. Run with it, dude, and more power to ya. Have fun with that.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; I understand where youâ€™re coming from &#8211; I used to be a<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; Republican too, but I stopped voting for them when I<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; realized how far theyâ€™d strayed from their roots.</p>
<p>I was never a Republican. I was never a member of any Party and never will be. I saw thorugh that BS before I could vote. Why is it if I fail to say anything short of &#8220;OH NOES! THE GOP AM NAZIIIIS!&#8221; people think I am or was Republican?</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;I figure thereâ€™s pretty much no difference between the<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; two parties.</p>
<p>Exactly. That&#8217;s why I and an astonishing number of other people I personally know are planning retirements outside the USA. There is absolutely no one left here in the political arena on the side of decent, hardworking citizens. At least in some of the world&#8217;s retirement hot spots they bend over backwards to attract me for my potential working capital. It&#8217;s much more symbiotic and flat out HONEST than anything in this dippy La La Land.</p>
<p>In retirement I can pay taxes to support Ted Kennedy&#8217;s gin blossoms and Bush&#8217;s war and another corrupt Big Dig somewhere where billions of dollars buys you multiton concrete slabs falling off of tunnel ceilins and crushing cars.</p>
<p>Or I can party with Costa Rican whores on the beach every evening. Guess who wins?</p>
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		<title>By: Maksutov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maksutov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Phil.

Disemboweling a science report for political reasons is an outrage. I don&#039;t care what the conservative apologists have posted here, it&#039;s an outrage and more.

I&#039;m not sure what the word is for the next level above outrage, but whatever it is, it would apply, since this is far from the first time the Bush administration has done this. His muzzling of US reps to global warming conferences is another example. And there are many more.

Why is Bush doing this? The reason is simple. He&#039;s a conservative Republican. The conservative Republicans were hijacked by the Religious Right during the 1980s and 1990s.

Almost all conservative Republicans are now Christian fundamentalists. In fact it&#039;s one of the basic requirements for membership. Christian fundamentalists hate science and have been doing everything in their power to tear science to shreds and replace it with their &quot;faith-based&quot; education systems.

Heading up this effort is Bush II, who was quoted in Washington, DC on 12/19/2000 as saying &quot;If this were a dictatorship, it&#039;d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I&#039;m the dictator.&quot; The type of dictatorship Bush and his cronies want is a theocracy. Don&#039;t believe me? Google on &quot;Council for National Policy&quot; and then get back to me.

Not only is this administration a threat to science, our civil liberties, and the rest of what the Constitution has protected for more than two centuries, it&#039;s also the most corrupt I&#039;ve ever seen.

I was in Washington, DC on August 9, 1974, when Nixon resigned. I told my wife &quot;Hey, that&#039;s a nice birthday present! The head of the most corrupt administration this country has ever seen is gone!&quot; Little did I imagine that starting in 2001 I&#039;d see an administration so corrupt it made the Nixon boys look like tyros.

Then there&#039;s the Bush anti-science agenda. Wait, we already touched on that! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Phil.</p>
<p>Disemboweling a science report for political reasons is an outrage. I don&#8217;t care what the conservative apologists have posted here, it&#8217;s an outrage and more.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what the word is for the next level above outrage, but whatever it is, it would apply, since this is far from the first time the Bush administration has done this. His muzzling of US reps to global warming conferences is another example. And there are many more.</p>
<p>Why is Bush doing this? The reason is simple. He&#8217;s a conservative Republican. The conservative Republicans were hijacked by the Religious Right during the 1980s and 1990s.</p>
<p>Almost all conservative Republicans are now Christian fundamentalists. In fact it&#8217;s one of the basic requirements for membership. Christian fundamentalists hate science and have been doing everything in their power to tear science to shreds and replace it with their &#8220;faith-based&#8221; education systems.</p>
<p>Heading up this effort is Bush II, who was quoted in Washington, DC on 12/19/2000 as saying &#8220;If this were a dictatorship, it&#8217;d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I&#8217;m the dictator.&#8221; The type of dictatorship Bush and his cronies want is a theocracy. Don&#8217;t believe me? Google on &#8220;Council for National Policy&#8221; and then get back to me.</p>
<p>Not only is this administration a threat to science, our civil liberties, and the rest of what the Constitution has protected for more than two centuries, it&#8217;s also the most corrupt I&#8217;ve ever seen.</p>
<p>I was in Washington, DC on August 9, 1974, when Nixon resigned. I told my wife &#8220;Hey, that&#8217;s a nice birthday present! The head of the most corrupt administration this country has ever seen is gone!&#8221; Little did I imagine that starting in 2001 I&#8217;d see an administration so corrupt it made the Nixon boys look like tyros.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the Bush anti-science agenda. Wait, we already touched on that! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Randall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll tell you one thing... the best sexual experiences I had during my teenage years was with Catholic school girls. They literally think anal sex and bj&#039;s are okay because it&#039;s not considered sex, according to the bible. Bunch of dumbasses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll tell you one thing&#8230; the best sexual experiences I had during my teenage years was with Catholic school girls. They literally think anal sex and bj&#8217;s are okay because it&#8217;s not considered sex, according to the bible. Bunch of dumbasses.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Iâ€™m all in favor of the publication of a piece of scientific information, you are against it apparently.&quot;

Pardon me, but where the hell did you get that assumption from?  It smells of a straw man argument to me.  Might I remind you that as a &#039;denier&#039;, I&#039;m not the one whose answer to every question is &#039;the debate is over&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Iâ€™m all in favor of the publication of a piece of scientific information, you are against it apparently.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pardon me, but where the hell did you get that assumption from?  It smells of a straw man argument to me.  Might I remind you that as a &#8216;denier&#8217;, I&#8217;m not the one whose answer to every question is &#8216;the debate is over&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: compassrose</title>
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		<dc:creator>compassrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@observer
Actually, Phil isn&#039;t saying anything of the sort.  The issue is not that abstinence should not be taught - it should taught be and it is.  The issue is that the conservative agenda (and Bush&#039;s agenda, however unconservative he may be) has been to teach ONLY abstinence.  This policy is an unmitigated failure as has been documented on multiple occasions.  &quot;Don&#039;t have sex&quot; is not a message that gets through to everyone.

Encouraging the use of condoms and contraception for those who are unwilling to make the best choice (abstinence) catches more people who may have simply started having sex with no understanding that there are simpler ways for them to protect themselves.  And if you think that level of ignorance only exists in &quot;broken homes&quot;, you&#039;re deluding yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@observer<br />
Actually, Phil isn&#8217;t saying anything of the sort.  The issue is not that abstinence should not be taught &#8211; it should taught be and it is.  The issue is that the conservative agenda (and Bush&#8217;s agenda, however unconservative he may be) has been to teach ONLY abstinence.  This policy is an unmitigated failure as has been documented on multiple occasions.  &#8220;Don&#8217;t have sex&#8221; is not a message that gets through to everyone.</p>
<p>Encouraging the use of condoms and contraception for those who are unwilling to make the best choice (abstinence) catches more people who may have simply started having sex with no understanding that there are simpler ways for them to protect themselves.  And if you think that level of ignorance only exists in &#8220;broken homes&#8221;, you&#8217;re deluding yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@compassrose
&gt;It has to do with protecting kids (and adults) from ignorance.&gt;

Mr Bad Ast is outraged because of many things about Bush and  one point is he thinks abstinence should not be taught  - instead we should spend millions of dollars on teaching kids that it is ok if they want to have sex and just use a condom ...
btw most of these kids inclined to have kids come from broken homes and don&#039;t give a crap about what you tell them.. i.e they know about condoms - they just dont feel like using it -- (there&#039;s get more pleasure without it -- are the exact words) Their moral values need to be changed and a proper abstinence programs may do just that .



Spend money on education = math, english science NOT sex, filth, and immorality or welfare.

 You are therefore advocating ignorance to the obvious that every adult knows - DON&quot;T have sex - you wont get anything..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@compassrose<br />
&gt;It has to do with protecting kids (and adults) from ignorance.&gt;</p>
<p>Mr Bad Ast is outraged because of many things about Bush and  one point is he thinks abstinence should not be taught  &#8211; instead we should spend millions of dollars on teaching kids that it is ok if they want to have sex and just use a condom &#8230;<br />
btw most of these kids inclined to have kids come from broken homes and don&#8217;t give a crap about what you tell them.. i.e they know about condoms &#8211; they just dont feel like using it &#8212; (there&#8217;s get more pleasure without it &#8212; are the exact words) Their moral values need to be changed and a proper abstinence programs may do just that .</p>
<p>Spend money on education = math, english science NOT sex, filth, and immorality or welfare.</p>
<p> You are therefore advocating ignorance to the obvious that every adult knows &#8211; DON&#8221;T have sex &#8211; you wont get anything..</p>
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		<title>By: compassrose</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/10/24/bush-league-science-again/comment-page-2/#comment-52842</link>
		<dc:creator>compassrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@observer
How are they going to &quot;ALREADY&quot; know all this stuff?  If we follow your argument to it&#039;s logical conclusion, why are we spending money on education at all?  Why don&#039;t parents just teach their kids everything?  Why send them to school?

Oh, that&#039;s right - because parents don&#039;t know everything.  Has it occurred to you that some parents might not know everything about sex either?  Crazy, but true!

You need to check your reactionary crap and save your homohating for a relevant thread.  This discussion has nothing at all to do with homosexuality.  It has to do with protecting kids (and adults) from ignorance.</description>
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How are they going to &#8220;ALREADY&#8221; know all this stuff?  If we follow your argument to it&#8217;s logical conclusion, why are we spending money on education at all?  Why don&#8217;t parents just teach their kids everything?  Why send them to school?</p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;s right &#8211; because parents don&#8217;t know everything.  Has it occurred to you that some parents might not know everything about sex either?  Crazy, but true!</p>
<p>You need to check your reactionary crap and save your homohating for a relevant thread.  This discussion has nothing at all to do with homosexuality.  It has to do with protecting kids (and adults) from ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How old are these  &#039;young people&#039; who need to be taught about sex?
If they are having sex - they should  ALREADY  know about condoms/contracept etc ..
Bush does not have to teach the kids about this .. their parents do.. okk ...
Take responsibility for your own damn  kids ... You don&#039;t need to spend a dime on sex education..
My comment on homos - 2 consenting adults can do what they please but I don&#039;t like my tax dollars going on child abuse i.e. teaching young children about 2 mommies or 2 daddies or about any other deviant misfits who should never be adopting children in the first place.
Teaching naive young children about sex is also child abuse...
School is for learning stuff not for sex and political brainwashing ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How old are these  &#8216;young people&#8217; who need to be taught about sex?<br />
If they are having sex &#8211; they should  ALREADY  know about condoms/contracept etc ..<br />
Bush does not have to teach the kids about this .. their parents do.. okk &#8230;<br />
Take responsibility for your own damn  kids &#8230; You don&#8217;t need to spend a dime on sex education..<br />
My comment on homos &#8211; 2 consenting adults can do what they please but I don&#8217;t like my tax dollars going on child abuse i.e. teaching young children about 2 mommies or 2 daddies or about any other deviant misfits who should never be adopting children in the first place.<br />
Teaching naive young children about sex is also child abuse&#8230;<br />
School is for learning stuff not for sex and political brainwashing ..</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ H.L. Which blogsite links??? I link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tim Lambert&lt;/a&gt;, A &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alphecca.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gay Gun Nut&lt;/a&gt;, who are anything but religious or wacko&#039;s, and a bunch of other gun nuts. It&#039;s true that I&#039;m a gun nut, but a religious wacko? There&#039;s a link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eternityroad.info/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Francis Porretto&lt;/a&gt;, but he&#039;s just a run of the mill Catholic.

I&#039;m just a run of the mill Christian. I try to align my morals with the New Testament, and I don&#039;t try to force it on others, and neither do I judge anyone else&#039;s sins worse than my own. &quot;Christians&quot; who act like A-holes, especially like the idiots who protest at the funerals of fallen soldiers, are not following the Bible.

I just don&#039;t see any legal basis for anyone here being upset for Bush and the separation of church and state issue. If the law made it more clear, then that would be fine. But it doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ H.L. Which blogsite links??? I link to <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/" rel="nofollow">Tim Lambert</a>, A <a href="http://www.alphecca.com/" rel="nofollow">gay Gun Nut</a>, who are anything but religious or wacko&#8217;s, and a bunch of other gun nuts. It&#8217;s true that I&#8217;m a gun nut, but a religious wacko? There&#8217;s a link to <a href="http://www.eternityroad.info/" rel="nofollow">Francis Porretto</a>, but he&#8217;s just a run of the mill Catholic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just a run of the mill Christian. I try to align my morals with the New Testament, and I don&#8217;t try to force it on others, and neither do I judge anyone else&#8217;s sins worse than my own. &#8220;Christians&#8221; who act like A-holes, especially like the idiots who protest at the funerals of fallen soldiers, are not following the Bible.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t see any legal basis for anyone here being upset for Bush and the separation of church and state issue. If the law made it more clear, then that would be fine. But it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: compassrose</title>
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		<dc:creator>compassrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@observer:
No one is talking about homosexuality - your bigotry is showing.  And while abstinence is the only 100% guarantee of not catching babies or other STDs, that does not mean that teaching abstinence only is even close to 100% effective at influencing the behavior of young people or achieving the desired objectives.  If you actually give a crap about the important goals you mention (disease/pregnancy), then the only reasonable conclusion is that sex ed needs to include things other than simply &quot;DON&#039;T HAVE SEX&quot;.</description>
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No one is talking about homosexuality &#8211; your bigotry is showing.  And while abstinence is the only 100% guarantee of not catching babies or other STDs, that does not mean that teaching abstinence only is even close to 100% effective at influencing the behavior of young people or achieving the desired objectives.  If you actually give a crap about the important goals you mention (disease/pregnancy), then the only reasonable conclusion is that sex ed needs to include things other than simply &#8220;DON&#8217;T HAVE SEX&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: TheBlackCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheBlackCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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That is simply incorrect.  Comprehensive sex education programs have been shown to reduce unwanted pregnancies and the transmission of sexually transmitted diseases.  Abstinence-only programs have been shown to have no effect on either, even the opposite effect in some cases.</description>
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<p>That is simply incorrect.  Comprehensive sex education programs have been shown to reduce unwanted pregnancies and the transmission of sexually transmitted diseases.  Abstinence-only programs have been shown to have no effect on either, even the opposite effect in some cases.</p>
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		<title>By: H.L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>H.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ben

Ok well let&#039;s just say, in my opinion, that some of your blogsite links and associated rhetoric would not exactly place you as part of the  Christian &quot;moderate&quot; way :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ben</p>
<p>Ok well let&#8217;s just say, in my opinion, that some of your blogsite links and associated rhetoric would not exactly place you as part of the  Christian &#8220;moderate&#8221; way <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; give young folk knowledge about what else is out there.&gt;&gt;
What else is out there?

Nothing.
Don&#039;t spread disease, dont catch diseases ..  - don&#039;t have sex ..use a condom if you really have to...
It wont work - these kids having kids are too stupid (or their parents are too stupid) to listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; give young folk knowledge about what else is out there.&gt;&gt;<br />
What else is out there?</p>
<p>Nothing.<br />
Don&#8217;t spread disease, dont catch diseases ..  &#8211; don&#8217;t have sex ..use a condom if you really have to&#8230;<br />
It wont work &#8211; these kids having kids are too stupid (or their parents are too stupid) to listen.</p>
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		<title>By: observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do idiot liberals actually teach their 5 yr old kids about
unnatural behavior such as homosexuality? It seems they do..

Absitnence is the only way kids wont get in trouble -- keep feeding them trash and they&#039;ll end up in the gutter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do idiot liberals actually teach their 5 yr old kids about<br />
unnatural behavior such as homosexuality? It seems they do..</p>
<p>Absitnence is the only way kids wont get in trouble &#8212; keep feeding them trash and they&#8217;ll end up in the gutter.</p>
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		<title>By: Ibrahim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ibrahim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;b&gt;Sarah&lt;/b&gt;,

&quot;I teach university astronomy, not public policy or political science. I used to refer students here so that they could learn about common misconceptions about astronomy. As much as some of my colleagues believe they have a bully pulpit in their classrooms, I have a strict policy of keeping politics (and religion) out of my classroom as much as possible.&quot;

As a university student who does study political science let me say that I&#039;m glad I don&#039;t have professors like you. Most of my professors understand that I am quite capable of thinking for myself and will frequently refer me to resources that may have political asides. This includes non-political science professors. They include a disclaimer that they do not endorse content unrelated to the course. When Paul Krugman who authored one of my economics textbooks, came to my university to speak on health care, my Econ professor told us of the event and informed us fairly that Krugman is a strong liberal politically (as opposed to economically). My professors frequently let me make up my own mind about the politics associated with certain resources. As for &quot;Bush Derangment Sydrome&quot;, I think maybe you should continue your education and get a couple of refresher classes on rhetoric under your belt. I&#039;m sure staff can get tuition waivers.

Also, I have personal experience when it comes to the matter of abstinence-only education. I used to live in an entire society where abstinence-only was emphasized. It doesn&#039;t work, period. The other people commenting here have the statistics. I have the anecdotes. I&#039;m not sure if you are in favor of abstinence only education, or simply in favor of abstinence. However, the sex-ed courses that are not abstinence-only always emphasize abstinence as the single most effective method of disease and pregnancy prevention. I haven&#039;t seen a single sex-ed program that doesn&#039;t stress abstinence and partner permanence and limitation as the best methods. They simply have the audacity- the gall, to give young folk knowledge about what else is out there. Then again, we all know where you stand on letting people reach their own conclusions. When would you like me to drink the hemlock?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<b>Sarah</b>,</p>
<p>&#8220;I teach university astronomy, not public policy or political science. I used to refer students here so that they could learn about common misconceptions about astronomy. As much as some of my colleagues believe they have a bully pulpit in their classrooms, I have a strict policy of keeping politics (and religion) out of my classroom as much as possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>As a university student who does study political science let me say that I&#8217;m glad I don&#8217;t have professors like you. Most of my professors understand that I am quite capable of thinking for myself and will frequently refer me to resources that may have political asides. This includes non-political science professors. They include a disclaimer that they do not endorse content unrelated to the course. When Paul Krugman who authored one of my economics textbooks, came to my university to speak on health care, my Econ professor told us of the event and informed us fairly that Krugman is a strong liberal politically (as opposed to economically). My professors frequently let me make up my own mind about the politics associated with certain resources. As for &#8220;Bush Derangment Sydrome&#8221;, I think maybe you should continue your education and get a couple of refresher classes on rhetoric under your belt. I&#8217;m sure staff can get tuition waivers.</p>
<p>Also, I have personal experience when it comes to the matter of abstinence-only education. I used to live in an entire society where abstinence-only was emphasized. It doesn&#8217;t work, period. The other people commenting here have the statistics. I have the anecdotes. I&#8217;m not sure if you are in favor of abstinence only education, or simply in favor of abstinence. However, the sex-ed courses that are not abstinence-only always emphasize abstinence as the single most effective method of disease and pregnancy prevention. I haven&#8217;t seen a single sex-ed program that doesn&#8217;t stress abstinence and partner permanence and limitation as the best methods. They simply have the audacity- the gall, to give young folk knowledge about what else is out there. Then again, we all know where you stand on letting people reach their own conclusions. When would you like me to drink the hemlock?</p>
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