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	<title>Comments on: An Amazing talk</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: papertiger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54350</link>
		<dc:creator>papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I am as dumb as a box of hammers, but I&#039;m not the one claiming credit for being a science debunker while accepting blindly the scientific advice of a politician who could only muster a &quot;C&quot; average throughout his school years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I am as dumb as a box of hammers, but I&#8217;m not the one claiming credit for being a science debunker while accepting blindly the scientific advice of a politician who could only muster a &#8220;C&#8221; average throughout his school years.</p>
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		<title>By: Walabio</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54349</link>
		<dc:creator>Walabio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh PaperTiger, what the Bad Astronomer has tried to explain is that the blog has a thread for everything and everything should go in its thread.  This is the correct thread:

http://badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/11/05/science-blog-awards-and-bad-logic

It is hard to take someone with such poor reading comprehension seriously; anyone can accidently post in the wrong section, but you continue to do so even after having the mistake pointed out to you multiple times.  Frankly, you give the impression that you are as dumb as a box of hammers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh PaperTiger, what the Bad Astronomer has tried to explain is that the blog has a thread for everything and everything should go in its thread.  This is the correct thread:</p>
<p><a href="http://badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/11/05/science-blog-awards-and-bad-logic" rel="nofollow">http://badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/11/05/science-blog-awards-and-bad-logic</a></p>
<p>It is hard to take someone with such poor reading comprehension seriously; anyone can accidently post in the wrong section, but you continue to do so even after having the mistake pointed out to you multiple times.  Frankly, you give the impression that you are as dumb as a box of hammers.</p>
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		<title>By: papertiger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54348</link>
		<dc:creator>papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Astronomy, I am not surprized you have nothing to say in support of the hockystick or the temperature record. You haven&#039;t the faculties to support them. That&#039;s not a knock on your scientific expertise. The best statistician in America couldn&#039;t reproduce MBH98 using Mann&#039;s own files downloaded directly from the University of Virginia&#039;s computer.

This leads back to that sticky integrity thingie. In science when a result can&#039;t be reproduced independant of the author what do we call it?

Like when that Korean scientist created room temperature fusion, why aren&#039;t we all running our Hyundai with Mr. Fusion generators?

I am sure it will come to you if you think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Astronomy, I am not surprized you have nothing to say in support of the hockystick or the temperature record. You haven&#8217;t the faculties to support them. That&#8217;s not a knock on your scientific expertise. The best statistician in America couldn&#8217;t reproduce MBH98 using Mann&#8217;s own files downloaded directly from the University of Virginia&#8217;s computer.</p>
<p>This leads back to that sticky integrity thingie. In science when a result can&#8217;t be reproduced independant of the author what do we call it?</p>
<p>Like when that Korean scientist created room temperature fusion, why aren&#8217;t we all running our Hyundai with Mr. Fusion generators?</p>
<p>I am sure it will come to you if you think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bad Astronomer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54347</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bad Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>papertiger, maybe you missed the last point I made: this is the wrong blog entry for your comment. There already is one about Climate Audit. And if you&#039;re defending Steve Milloy, then there&#039;s not much I can say anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>papertiger, maybe you missed the last point I made: this is the wrong blog entry for your comment. There already is one about Climate Audit. And if you&#8217;re defending Steve Milloy, then there&#8217;s not much I can say anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: papertiger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54346</link>
		<dc:creator>papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss the complaint section?

Steven Milloy doesn&#039;t deserve that comparison either.
How is it a bizarre thing to question your integrity, when you are here recycling a refutation of Richard Hoagland - as if anybody with one eye and half a brain would believe there are archeological ruins on the moon.
It&#039;s an easy thing to sing in a choir.
Try bucking the system - then tell me about how persuasive you are.

Or better yet, since you disagree with McIntyre, back up Micheal Mann&#039;s hockystick graph, with some real evidence. Or Hansen&#039;s world temperature record for the 1930&#039;s, when Antarctica, Greenland, Africa, and South America had no surface temperature stations.
What did he extrapolate that world graph from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I miss the complaint section?</p>
<p>Steven Milloy doesn&#8217;t deserve that comparison either.<br />
How is it a bizarre thing to question your integrity, when you are here recycling a refutation of Richard Hoagland &#8211; as if anybody with one eye and half a brain would believe there are archeological ruins on the moon.<br />
It&#8217;s an easy thing to sing in a choir.<br />
Try bucking the system &#8211; then tell me about how persuasive you are.</p>
<p>Or better yet, since you disagree with McIntyre, back up Micheal Mann&#8217;s hockystick graph, with some real evidence. Or Hansen&#8217;s world temperature record for the 1930&#8242;s, when Antarctica, Greenland, Africa, and South America had no surface temperature stations.<br />
What did he extrapolate that world graph from?</p>
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		<title>By: The Bad Astronomer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54345</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bad Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>papertiger, you&#039;ve missed the target by a wide margin here.

First, I was comparing Hoagland to Junk Science, not Climate Audit.

Second, I disagree with the bit about self-respect. That&#039;s just a bizarre thing to say.

Third, Mr. McIntyre may indeed think he is fighting for us, but having read many of his articles, I disagree that he is correct.

Fourth, and this one is important-- &lt;i&gt;you posted this comment to the wrong blog entry.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>papertiger, you&#8217;ve missed the target by a wide margin here.</p>
<p>First, I was comparing Hoagland to Junk Science, not Climate Audit.</p>
<p>Second, I disagree with the bit about self-respect. That&#8217;s just a bizarre thing to say.</p>
<p>Third, Mr. McIntyre may indeed think he is fighting for us, but having read many of his articles, I disagree that he is correct.</p>
<p>Fourth, and this one is important&#8211; <i>you posted this comment to the wrong blog entry.</i></p>
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		<title>By: arcoddath</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54344</link>
		<dc:creator>arcoddath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me but the Lenin Curtain (TM) looks rather like Randi with one of his &quot;fierce&quot; faces on, doesn&#039;t it...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me but the Lenin Curtain (TM) looks rather like Randi with one of his &#8220;fierce&#8221; faces on, doesn&#8217;t it&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Gnat</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54343</link>
		<dc:creator>Gnat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dan!</p>
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		<title>By: papertiger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54342</link>
		<dc:creator>papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking at this google page on Hoagland - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=Richard+C+Hoagland&amp;btnG=Google+Search - about 367,000 references calling him a humbug.

On the otherhand Steve McIntyre was practicaly alone when he pointed out that Mann, Hansen, Gore, the IPCC, and the RealClimate gang, are worse humbugs. Worse because this set of humbugs are given the credibility of  a political movement, and their flim flams are causing real deaths, and real suffering and really, really, bad legislations.

If the Bad Astronomer had any self respect, he would put a permanent link up urging his followers to vote for Climate Audit.
Steve is fighting for you, whether you admit it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking at this google page on Hoagland &#8211; <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;q=Richard+C+Hoagland&#038;btnG=Google+Search" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;q=Richard+C+Hoagland&#038;btnG=Google+Search</a> &#8211; about 367,000 references calling him a humbug.</p>
<p>On the otherhand Steve McIntyre was practicaly alone when he pointed out that Mann, Hansen, Gore, the IPCC, and the RealClimate gang, are worse humbugs. Worse because this set of humbugs are given the credibility of  a political movement, and their flim flams are causing real deaths, and real suffering and really, really, bad legislations.</p>
<p>If the Bad Astronomer had any self respect, he would put a permanent link up urging his followers to vote for Climate Audit.<br />
Steve is fighting for you, whether you admit it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gerhards</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54341</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Gerhards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gnaton: The space station moves pretty quickly. It goes all the way across the sky in a few minutes, and it sounds like what you saw wasn&#039;t moving. Venus was above the moon this morning, so that&#039;s probably it. It would have looked a lot like a star, but far, far brighter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gnaton: The space station moves pretty quickly. It goes all the way across the sky in a few minutes, and it sounds like what you saw wasn&#8217;t moving. Venus was above the moon this morning, so that&#8217;s probably it. It would have looked a lot like a star, but far, far brighter.</p>
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		<title>By: DrFlimmer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54340</link>
		<dc:creator>DrFlimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would really like to see you live on stage once. But I guess there is not a big chance that you will come over to Germany.

Very good speech! Indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would really like to see you live on stage once. But I guess there is not a big chance that you will come over to Germany.</p>
<p>Very good speech! Indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Darth Curt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54339</link>
		<dc:creator>Darth Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also a little off topic, but I was reminded of it from the Lenin shower curtain.  Did anyone else see the image of Han Solo on Everest at Slumbering Lungfish?  I thought that was pretty cool, and now it&#039;s my desktop image as well...

http://slumbering.lungfish.com/?p=500</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also a little off topic, but I was reminded of it from the Lenin shower curtain.  Did anyone else see the image of Han Solo on Everest at Slumbering Lungfish?  I thought that was pretty cool, and now it&#8217;s my desktop image as well&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://slumbering.lungfish.com/?p=500" rel="nofollow">http://slumbering.lungfish.com/?p=500</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gnat</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54338</link>
		<dc:creator>Gnat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely off-topic as well:  At about 6am central time, was that the space station I could see near the moon?  I was driving into work when I noticed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely off-topic as well:  At about 6am central time, was that the space station I could see near the moon?  I was driving into work when I noticed it.</p>
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		<title>By: papertiger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54337</link>
		<dc:creator>papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 06:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard C. Hoagland - that&#039;s that dude who has a recurring role on George Noorey&#039;s Coast to Coast?

I don&#039;t agree with you on climate change. I think you  make a mountain out of a mole hill regarding intelligent design. But someone who takes the starch out of spiritualists and tarot card reading phonys Noorey regularly holds up as scientists is alright in my book.

Rock on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard C. Hoagland &#8211; that&#8217;s that dude who has a recurring role on George Noorey&#8217;s Coast to Coast?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with you on climate change. I think you  make a mountain out of a mole hill regarding intelligent design. But someone who takes the starch out of spiritualists and tarot card reading phonys Noorey regularly holds up as scientists is alright in my book.</p>
<p>Rock on.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bad Astronomer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54336</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bad Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 04:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, Kelkyen, search this blog for the word &quot;Holmes&quot;. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, Kelkyen, search this blog for the word &#8220;Holmes&#8221;. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kelkyen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54335</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelkyen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 03:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>off topic, didn&#039;t see a post on this

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/11/05/brighter.comet.ap/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>off topic, didn&#8217;t see a post on this</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/11/05/brighter.comet.ap/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/11/05/brighter.comet.ap/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/05/an-amazing-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-54334</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 03:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh sweet, material to watch while I&#039;m working tomorrow :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh sweet, material to watch while I&#8217;m working tomorrow <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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