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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: KaiYeves</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/13/power-to-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-55570</link>
		<dc:creator>KaiYeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in Washington last May and we met our New York senator, Tim Bishop (Well, one of our New York senators). I told him about how important space was and he seemed to agree, but confessed &quot;I don&#039;t really know a lot about this stuff.&quot;
So I gave him the address of the Planetary Society website.
Power to the people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in Washington last May and we met our New York senator, Tim Bishop (Well, one of our New York senators). I told him about how important space was and he seemed to agree, but confessed &#8220;I don&#8217;t really know a lot about this stuff.&#8221;<br />
So I gave him the address of the Planetary Society website.<br />
Power to the people!</p>
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		<title>By: Yokimbo &#187; The Bad Astronomer on</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/13/power-to-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-55569</link>
		<dc:creator>Yokimbo &#187; The Bad Astronomer on</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Phil Plait, aka the Bad Astronomer, writes (&#8221;Power to the People&#8220;) about a recent trip to see his local Representative (or their staff) to discuss a bill that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Phil Plait, aka the Bad Astronomer, writes (&#8221;Power to the People&#8220;) about a recent trip to see his local Representative (or their staff) to discuss a bill that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Centipede</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/13/power-to-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-55568</link>
		<dc:creator>The Centipede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Centipede&#039;s Rules for World Travel:

#63: Never order an Irish Car Bomb at an Irish pub.
#63, Corollary A: Or an English one.
#65, Corollary B: You may be able to get away with it in Scotland or Wales, but don&#039;t press your luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Centipede&#8217;s Rules for World Travel:</p>
<p>#63: Never order an Irish Car Bomb at an Irish pub.<br />
#63, Corollary A: Or an English one.<br />
#65, Corollary B: You may be able to get away with it in Scotland or Wales, but don&#8217;t press your luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet_Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet_Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&quot;Guiness is a whole different experience. If you have trouble with it, you just arenâ€™t slicing it thin enoughâ€¦&quot;

The bartender offered some small explosives to deal with it, but I declined. Didn&#039;t want to start anything. It *was* Ireland, after all.

Really cute bartender. Pure Irish gal. I understood about one out of five words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8221;Guiness is a whole different experience. If you have trouble with it, you just arenâ€™t slicing it thin enoughâ€¦&#8221;</p>
<p>The bartender offered some small explosives to deal with it, but I declined. Didn&#8217;t want to start anything. It *was* Ireland, after all.</p>
<p>Really cute bartender. Pure Irish gal. I understood about one out of five words.</p>
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		<title>By: The Centipede</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/13/power-to-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-55566</link>
		<dc:creator>The Centipede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  My link didn&#039;t work.  *sigh*  Anyway, it&#039;s a minor story and the USAF (luckily the same one I kinda worked for) is saying &quot;no, it&#039;s stupid, go away.&quot;

Still, I&#039;m glad that the link -did- lead to something edifying for everyone.  Serendipitous, that.  Obviously it&#039;s an Raelian conspiracy trying to prevent me from exposing the truth of their dirty dirty lies (saywha?) by numbing everyone&#039;s mind with sweet, sweet chocolate.

Mmmmm, chocolate... NO!  GO AWAY, BLACK UNMARKED MASONIC RAELIAN HELICOPTER MIND CONTROL BEAM!  I REPEL YOU WITH THOUGHTS OF GUINNESS!  Mmmmm, Guinness...

As for the USAFA, I&#039;ll have to ask my ex-roommate&#039;s little brother who&#039;s going through Doolie year whether this is the Gospel (sorry, couldn&#039;t resist) truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn.  My link didn&#8217;t work.  *sigh*  Anyway, it&#8217;s a minor story and the USAF (luckily the same one I kinda worked for) is saying &#8220;no, it&#8217;s stupid, go away.&#8221;</p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;m glad that the link -did- lead to something edifying for everyone.  Serendipitous, that.  Obviously it&#8217;s an Raelian conspiracy trying to prevent me from exposing the truth of their dirty dirty lies (saywha?) by numbing everyone&#8217;s mind with sweet, sweet chocolate.</p>
<p>Mmmmm, chocolate&#8230; NO!  GO AWAY, BLACK UNMARKED MASONIC RAELIAN HELICOPTER MIND CONTROL BEAM!  I REPEL YOU WITH THOUGHTS OF GUINNESS!  Mmmmm, Guinness&#8230;</p>
<p>As for the USAFA, I&#8217;ll have to ask my ex-roommate&#8217;s little brother who&#8217;s going through Doolie year whether this is the Gospel (sorry, couldn&#8217;t resist) truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/13/power-to-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-55565</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you haven&#039;t already, you really, REALLY need to read this:

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/11/08/5093/

AF vet, David Antoon, took his son to the Air Force Academy, Colorado Springs, for an orientation meeting for new appointees.

He found that the Air Force Academy has turned into &quot;the Rocky Mountain Bible College&quot; having been infiltrated by &quot;Christian supremacists.&quot; There is now one evangelical chaplain per hundred students where once there were three protestant chaplains, two priests and a rabbi in total.

One chaplain &quot;suggested&quot;  that cadets tell their mates they would &quot;burn in hell&quot; if they didn&#039;t receive Jesus as their savior.

It&#039;s scary stuff - megascary.  :-O
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you haven&#8217;t already, you really, REALLY need to read this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/11/08/5093/" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/11/08/5093/</a></p>
<p>AF vet, David Antoon, took his son to the Air Force Academy, Colorado Springs, for an orientation meeting for new appointees.</p>
<p>He found that the Air Force Academy has turned into &#8220;the Rocky Mountain Bible College&#8221; having been infiltrated by &#8220;Christian supremacists.&#8221; There is now one evangelical chaplain per hundred students where once there were three protestant chaplains, two priests and a rabbi in total.</p>
<p>One chaplain &#8220;suggested&#8221;  that cadets tell their mates they would &#8220;burn in hell&#8221; if they didn&#8217;t receive Jesus as their savior.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s scary stuff &#8211; megascary.  :-O<br />
&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Sergeant Zim</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/13/power-to-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-55564</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergeant Zim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guiness is a whole different experience.  If you have trouble with it, you just aren&#039;t slicing it thin enough...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guiness is a whole different experience.  If you have trouble with it, you just aren&#8217;t slicing it thin enough&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/13/power-to-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-55560</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are different. People even think different. Exposure to different views is a fact of life for all of us. As a Christian I think obnoxious bible thumpers are over the top but so are in your face athiests. Basic respect for differing views goes a long way in building office relationships. It would be sad if I wouldnâ€™t be able to invite office friends to a wedding (often a religious event) a baptism or other family event that may have a religious element. If I spent the weekend at a religious event and was asked by another employee how my weekend was it would suck if I had to reply, â€œ Iâ€™m sorry, Iâ€™m not able to speak to you about my weekend because it included religious eventsâ€. What a great team builder! For some people their religion is part of who they are and to ask them to never mention it strikes at their core.
I am a pro-science Christian and while I donâ€™t always agree with the BAâ€™s personal views this is a great website with very informative discussion. Thanks all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are different. People even think different. Exposure to different views is a fact of life for all of us. As a Christian I think obnoxious bible thumpers are over the top but so are in your face athiests. Basic respect for differing views goes a long way in building office relationships. It would be sad if I wouldnâ€™t be able to invite office friends to a wedding (often a religious event) a baptism or other family event that may have a religious element. If I spent the weekend at a religious event and was asked by another employee how my weekend was it would suck if I had to reply, â€œ Iâ€™m sorry, Iâ€™m not able to speak to you about my weekend because it included religious eventsâ€. What a great team builder! For some people their religion is part of who they are and to ask them to never mention it strikes at their core.<br />
I am a pro-science Christian and while I donâ€™t always agree with the BAâ€™s personal views this is a great website with very informative discussion. Thanks all.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet_Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet_Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&quot;BTW, do you know what American beer and making love in a canoe have in common???&quot;

Dude. Microbrews. Plenty of good beers here. Last I checked there were over 1200 craft breweries in the US.

And not all of us like a beer that give one the impression they are drinking an underbaked loaf of bread infused with Essence Of Bitterness, or beers that can double as diesel engine cleaners in shipyards and aircraft maintenance.

European beers are good solid Socialist beers. That is not a compliment. :) They&#039;re great, thick, turgid places for manly coal miners and fem 58th level government bureaucrats to lose themselves for a while before it&#039;s time for the next soccer riot.

But I tease the EU. :)

&gt;&quot;I brew my own beer, this got me wondering if I could obtain some cocoa pulp, and create â€œAztec Aleâ€ &quot;

They already have it. It&#039;s called &quot;Guinness&quot;. Or at least that&#039;s what it looks and tastes like. And I&#039;ve had it on tap in an authentic Irish pub in Ireland. Didn&#039;t help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8221;BTW, do you know what American beer and making love in a canoe have in common???&#8221;</p>
<p>Dude. Microbrews. Plenty of good beers here. Last I checked there were over 1200 craft breweries in the US.</p>
<p>And not all of us like a beer that give one the impression they are drinking an underbaked loaf of bread infused with Essence Of Bitterness, or beers that can double as diesel engine cleaners in shipyards and aircraft maintenance.</p>
<p>European beers are good solid Socialist beers. That is not a compliment. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  They&#8217;re great, thick, turgid places for manly coal miners and fem 58th level government bureaucrats to lose themselves for a while before it&#8217;s time for the next soccer riot.</p>
<p>But I tease the EU. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&gt;&#8221;I brew my own beer, this got me wondering if I could obtain some cocoa pulp, and create â€œAztec Aleâ€ &#8221;</p>
<p>They already have it. It&#8217;s called &#8220;Guinness&#8221;. Or at least that&#8217;s what it looks and tastes like. And I&#8217;ve had it on tap in an authentic Irish pub in Ireland. Didn&#8217;t help.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet_Desperation</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/13/power-to-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-55562</link>
		<dc:creator>Quiet_Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&quot;If someone is breaking into my house, do I have to remember to call the Presbyterian police department, since the Lutherans wonâ€™t help me?&quot;

Monty Python Reference Time!

Klaus: I&#039;ll call the police.
Mother: Shouldn&#039;t you call the church?
Son: Call the church police!
Klaus: All right.  (shouting) The Church Police!

(sirens racing up, followed by a tremendous crash)
(the church police burst in the door)

Detective: What&#039;s all this then, Amen!
Mother: Are you the church police?
All the police officers: (in unison) Ho, Yes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8221;If someone is breaking into my house, do I have to remember to call the Presbyterian police department, since the Lutherans wonâ€™t help me?&#8221;</p>
<p>Monty Python Reference Time!</p>
<p>Klaus: I&#8217;ll call the police.<br />
Mother: Shouldn&#8217;t you call the church?<br />
Son: Call the church police!<br />
Klaus: All right.  (shouting) The Church Police!</p>
<p>(sirens racing up, followed by a tremendous crash)<br />
(the church police burst in the door)</p>
<p>Detective: What&#8217;s all this then, Amen!<br />
Mother: Are you the church police?<br />
All the police officers: (in unison) Ho, Yes!</p>
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		<title>By: Rational Zen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/13/power-to-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-55561</link>
		<dc:creator>Rational Zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow......that&#039;s all I can say is wow.

Please tell me that an intelligent rational person really doesn&#039;t believe this statement, &quot;to be used aggressively and reduce the rights of others (for example, the right not to be proselytized at).&quot;

You&#039;d rather further erode a person&#039;s free speech because you don&#039;t have the testicular fortitude to tell them you&#039;re not interested in hearing about it?

I think you&#039;d agree that our American school system (in general of course) is lacking in the Math and Science departments.  It&#039;s because we (royal we) teach to the lowest common denominator, then wonder why we lag behind.

Your version of liberty is legislate to the lowest common denominator, and if we actually follow that asinine plan we too will ultimately suffer in the long run.

I would never oppose a bill that solidifies an American&#039;s right to free speech, even if that person wants to freely speak about something I don&#039;t agree with.

There are lots of morons out there who believe that CFC&#039;s are directly eroding the ozone layer, I will never take away their right to talk about that even though I know it&#039;s completely wrong.  I just tell them they are nuts and it&#039;s usually a short conversation.  You should offer the rest of the American Citizens the same right to speak freely about subjects even if they are wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;&#8230;that&#8217;s all I can say is wow.</p>
<p>Please tell me that an intelligent rational person really doesn&#8217;t believe this statement, &#8220;to be used aggressively and reduce the rights of others (for example, the right not to be proselytized at).&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;d rather further erode a person&#8217;s free speech because you don&#8217;t have the testicular fortitude to tell them you&#8217;re not interested in hearing about it?</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;d agree that our American school system (in general of course) is lacking in the Math and Science departments.  It&#8217;s because we (royal we) teach to the lowest common denominator, then wonder why we lag behind.</p>
<p>Your version of liberty is legislate to the lowest common denominator, and if we actually follow that asinine plan we too will ultimately suffer in the long run.</p>
<p>I would never oppose a bill that solidifies an American&#8217;s right to free speech, even if that person wants to freely speak about something I don&#8217;t agree with.</p>
<p>There are lots of morons out there who believe that CFC&#8217;s are directly eroding the ozone layer, I will never take away their right to talk about that even though I know it&#8217;s completely wrong.  I just tell them they are nuts and it&#8217;s usually a short conversation.  You should offer the rest of the American Citizens the same right to speak freely about subjects even if they are wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Sergeant Zim</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/13/power-to-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-55559</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergeant Zim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QD, I looked at that link too, and I noticed that  it said that, &quot;early cocoa was consumed as a fermented beverage made from pulp&quot;.

I brew my own beer, this got me wondering if I could obtain some cocoa pulp, and create &quot;Aztec Ale&quot; - -  hmmmmm... might be a marketable experiment...

BTW, do you know what American beer and making love in a canoe have in common???







They are both f*****g close to water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QD, I looked at that link too, and I noticed that  it said that, &#8220;early cocoa was consumed as a fermented beverage made from pulp&#8221;.</p>
<p>I brew my own beer, this got me wondering if I could obtain some cocoa pulp, and create &#8220;Aztec Ale&#8221; &#8211; -  hmmmmm&#8230; might be a marketable experiment&#8230;</p>
<p>BTW, do you know what American beer and making love in a canoe have in common???</p>
<p>They are both f*****g close to water.</p>
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		<title>By: JediBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>JediBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there really is a fire, shouting &quot;Fire!&quot; is probably still counterproductive. People are stupid.

More importantly, though, you wouldn&#039;t be trying to defend it as protected political speech under the First Amendment. Trying to notify your fellow citizens of a clear and present danger of being burned to death (note here that Hell is neither clear nor present) is not only your right, but also your civic duty.

I mentioned it only because it&#039;s a classic example in pop constitutional law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there really is a fire, shouting &#8220;Fire!&#8221; is probably still counterproductive. People are stupid.</p>
<p>More importantly, though, you wouldn&#8217;t be trying to defend it as protected political speech under the First Amendment. Trying to notify your fellow citizens of a clear and present danger of being burned to death (note here that Hell is neither clear nor present) is not only your right, but also your civic duty.</p>
<p>I mentioned it only because it&#8217;s a classic example in pop constitutional law.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&quot;The adult way is to speak to the annoyer and attempt to make a deal of some sort, but this is likely to fail, as people are really, really, really annoyingly self-important windbags.&quot;

Fortunately, I work in an industry where I can arrange to have them disappeared. :)

I&#039;m still trying to figure out how to use the Patriot Act to get rid of my annoying neighbors.

Hey, when life hands you lemons, make a lemon meringue pie. :D

&gt;&quot;Call for USAF to reopen Project Blue Book&quot;

The link led me to a story about the origins of chocolate. Which triggered a vast chocolate craving. Thanks. :-\

I meet a lot of USAF folks in my work. They seem pretty level headed. I wouldn&#039;t worry too much about Blue Book getting a revival.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8221;The adult way is to speak to the annoyer and attempt to make a deal of some sort, but this is likely to fail, as people are really, really, really annoyingly self-important windbags.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fortunately, I work in an industry where I can arrange to have them disappeared. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m still trying to figure out how to use the Patriot Act to get rid of my annoying neighbors.</p>
<p>Hey, when life hands you lemons, make a lemon meringue pie. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&gt;&#8221;Call for USAF to reopen Project Blue Book&#8221;</p>
<p>The link led me to a story about the origins of chocolate. Which triggered a vast chocolate craving. Thanks. :-\</p>
<p>I meet a lot of USAF folks in my work. They seem pretty level headed. I wouldn&#8217;t worry too much about Blue Book getting a revival.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&quot;So, would we allow a revival of Azec religion to practice child sacrifice?&quot;

No. The child&#039;s rights are protected by other existing laws. Don&#039;t be silly.

&gt;&quot;The right to free speech does not extend to yelling â€œFire!â€ in a crowded theatre&quot;

What if there really is a fire?

Anyway...

I am totally looking for the biggest Cthulhu statue I can find for my office if this bill passes.

[Google]

Oh, YES!!!

http://www.nethercraft.com/cthulhu.html

Crap. Now I&#039;m torn.

61&quot; HDTV or this thing?

Something more reasonable:
http://www.arkhambazaar.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&amp;products_id=155</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8221;So, would we allow a revival of Azec religion to practice child sacrifice?&#8221;</p>
<p>No. The child&#8217;s rights are protected by other existing laws. Don&#8217;t be silly.</p>
<p>&gt;&#8221;The right to free speech does not extend to yelling â€œFire!â€ in a crowded theatre&#8221;</p>
<p>What if there really is a fire?</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>I am totally looking for the biggest Cthulhu statue I can find for my office if this bill passes.</p>
<p>[Google]</p>
<p>Oh, YES!!!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nethercraft.com/cthulhu.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nethercraft.com/cthulhu.html</a></p>
<p>Crap. Now I&#8217;m torn.</p>
<p>61&#8243; HDTV or this thing?</p>
<p>Something more reasonable:<br />
<a href="http://www.arkhambazaar.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&#038;products_id=155" rel="nofollow">http://www.arkhambazaar.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&#038;products_id=155</a></p>
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		<title>By: autumn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/13/power-to-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-55555</link>
		<dc:creator>autumn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, complicating matters is the idea of &quot;an uncomfortable work environment&quot;.  If an employee at the same level of power as you is being annoying, I expect that your rights only allow you to seek redress from above (in the office chain of command, not...never mind), and if none is forthcoming, to be exactly as annoying as your fellow employee.
The adult way is to speak to the annoyer and attempt to make a deal of some sort, but this is likely to fail, as people are really, really, really annoyingly self-important windbags.

Best case scenario:  I work as a convienience store clerk, thankfully for a family, not a franchise.  I am an integral part of my store&#039;s operation, and as such, instead of having to follow the moronic &quot;customer is always right&quot; mantra (actually, the customer is most often a brainless &amp;^$ with no idea that society does not, in fact, exist only to amuse them), I am given a fair bit of leeway in telling &amp;^$$tards that they are &amp;*^%tards, and hounding them out of the store while swearing like a sailor whose rum bottle has been stolen.

Everybody wins because I have carefully chosen the right work environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, complicating matters is the idea of &#8220;an uncomfortable work environment&#8221;.  If an employee at the same level of power as you is being annoying, I expect that your rights only allow you to seek redress from above (in the office chain of command, not&#8230;never mind), and if none is forthcoming, to be exactly as annoying as your fellow employee.<br />
The adult way is to speak to the annoyer and attempt to make a deal of some sort, but this is likely to fail, as people are really, really, really annoyingly self-important windbags.</p>
<p>Best case scenario:  I work as a convienience store clerk, thankfully for a family, not a franchise.  I am an integral part of my store&#8217;s operation, and as such, instead of having to follow the moronic &#8220;customer is always right&#8221; mantra (actually, the customer is most often a brainless &amp;^$ with no idea that society does not, in fact, exist only to amuse them), I am given a fair bit of leeway in telling &amp;^$$tards that they are &amp;*^%tards, and hounding them out of the store while swearing like a sailor whose rum bottle has been stolen.</p>
<p>Everybody wins because I have carefully chosen the right work environment.</p>
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		<title>By: autumn</title>
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		<dc:creator>autumn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, raving atheist here, but Phil, you don&#039;t (unless your workplace recieves government funding or acts as a part of government) have the right not to be annoyed by coworkers.  Coworkers are people, and people are annoying.  It is only in instances such as those to which sexual harrassment laws apply, i.e., a superior intimidating someone under him (sorry about that), that the civil rights of the employee are being harmed.  As others have said, and I paraphrase to fit our little metaphor, I have every right as an employee to call my female boss &quot;sweet-cheeks&quot;, and she has the right to fire, but not sue, me.

That said, I don&#039;t know enough about this particular piece of legislation to make a comment on it specifically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, raving atheist here, but Phil, you don&#8217;t (unless your workplace recieves government funding or acts as a part of government) have the right not to be annoyed by coworkers.  Coworkers are people, and people are annoying.  It is only in instances such as those to which sexual harrassment laws apply, i.e., a superior intimidating someone under him (sorry about that), that the civil rights of the employee are being harmed.  As others have said, and I paraphrase to fit our little metaphor, I have every right as an employee to call my female boss &#8220;sweet-cheeks&#8221;, and she has the right to fire, but not sue, me.</p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t know enough about this particular piece of legislation to make a comment on it specifically.</p>
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		<title>By: RIT_Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>RIT_Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is perfectly reasonable for an employer to fire someone over their religion (or any other reason, really).  Its the companies money, why can&#039;t they pay or not pay who they want?

If a company with a religious manager doesn&#039;t hire (or fires) a foaming-at-the-mouth atheist such as myself, he will have to hire someone who probably isn&#039;t as well qualified as I am for the job.  He loses!  However, the tolerant manager wins out, as he gets my skills, which he considers valuable.

The above can of course be ignored for the government itself, and for any company that gets a dime of federal money (I wouldn&#039;t mind also going after those fat, tax-exempt churches either: Pay taxes or atheists at the pulpit!)

But saying to someone who pays there taxes and takes no federal money that you must hire Person A or you must not fire Person B smacks a bit authoritarian to me.  It seems any sort of this interference in the workplace leads the government to make decisions that it is eminently unqualified to make, such as &quot;is the person competent at their job&quot;, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is perfectly reasonable for an employer to fire someone over their religion (or any other reason, really).  Its the companies money, why can&#8217;t they pay or not pay who they want?</p>
<p>If a company with a religious manager doesn&#8217;t hire (or fires) a foaming-at-the-mouth atheist such as myself, he will have to hire someone who probably isn&#8217;t as well qualified as I am for the job.  He loses!  However, the tolerant manager wins out, as he gets my skills, which he considers valuable.</p>
<p>The above can of course be ignored for the government itself, and for any company that gets a dime of federal money (I wouldn&#8217;t mind also going after those fat, tax-exempt churches either: Pay taxes or atheists at the pulpit!)</p>
<p>But saying to someone who pays there taxes and takes no federal money that you must hire Person A or you must not fire Person B smacks a bit authoritarian to me.  It seems any sort of this interference in the workplace leads the government to make decisions that it is eminently unqualified to make, such as &#8220;is the person competent at their job&#8221;, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bad Astronomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bad Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ozprof, if you refuse to work on a holy day and working on that day is part of the &lt;i&gt;core requirements&lt;/i&gt; of that job, then in this country the employer has the right to fire you. I think that is perfectly reasonable.

I think it is very important that religion not be given any advantages secularism. If you refuse to work on a holy day, then that is a special requirement over someone who is secular.

Did you tell the employer before you took the job that you would not work on holy days?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ozprof, if you refuse to work on a holy day and working on that day is part of the <i>core requirements</i> of that job, then in this country the employer has the right to fire you. I think that is perfectly reasonable.</p>
<p>I think it is very important that religion not be given any advantages secularism. If you refuse to work on a holy day, then that is a special requirement over someone who is secular.</p>
<p>Did you tell the employer before you took the job that you would not work on holy days?</p>
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		<title>By: The Bad Astronomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bad Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MikeJ, if you read what I wrote, this bill applies to the workplace, not the public. I have the right not to be proselytized at when I am at work.

And the rights of others are limited in public as well. If they get in my face, I have the right to tell them to leave me alone, and if they don&#039;t, then they are harassing me which is against the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeJ, if you read what I wrote, this bill applies to the workplace, not the public. I have the right not to be proselytized at when I am at work.</p>
<p>And the rights of others are limited in public as well. If they get in my face, I have the right to tell them to leave me alone, and if they don&#8217;t, then they are harassing me which is against the law.</p>
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		<title>By: The Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the religious goons uncork that bottle, they&#039;d better get ready for hearing about evolution, cosmology, chemistry, and plate tectonics where I work at a somewhat louder tone than they.  That sword will cut both ways now that atheism has been unsheathed.

I will work to create atheist and evolution &quot;tracts&quot; just as made popular by evangelicals, but now employed for truth (and made with recycled paper).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the religious goons uncork that bottle, they&#8217;d better get ready for hearing about evolution, cosmology, chemistry, and plate tectonics where I work at a somewhat louder tone than they.  That sword will cut both ways now that atheism has been unsheathed.</p>
<p>I will work to create atheist and evolution &#8220;tracts&#8221; just as made popular by evangelicals, but now employed for truth (and made with recycled paper).</p>
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		<title>By: JediBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>JediBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are limits to every right. The right to free speech does not extend to yelling &quot;Fire!&quot; in a crowded theatre, and your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.

Religious practice, then, is limited at the point where it impinges on the rights of others. Therefore, any practice of religion is allowed, as long as it doesn&#039;t restrict the rights of others to live, to practice their religion, or to recieve the benefits of government.

Proselytizing at your coworkers is your right (as it does none of these things.) Firing you for disrupting my workplace is my right (as it likewise does none of these things.) A law which proposes to change either of these things is unjust and problematic and should certainly be rejected.

Firing you for inviting me to your son&#039;s Bar Mitzvah (which I should rightly regard as a not-inconsiderable honor) would likely be illegal under existing antidiscrimination law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are limits to every right. The right to free speech does not extend to yelling &#8220;Fire!&#8221; in a crowded theatre, and your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.</p>
<p>Religious practice, then, is limited at the point where it impinges on the rights of others. Therefore, any practice of religion is allowed, as long as it doesn&#8217;t restrict the rights of others to live, to practice their religion, or to recieve the benefits of government.</p>
<p>Proselytizing at your coworkers is your right (as it does none of these things.) Firing you for disrupting my workplace is my right (as it likewise does none of these things.) A law which proposes to change either of these things is unjust and problematic and should certainly be rejected.</p>
<p>Firing you for inviting me to your son&#8217;s Bar Mitzvah (which I should rightly regard as a not-inconsiderable honor) would likely be illegal under existing antidiscrimination law.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Defintion Proselytism: Proselytism is the practice of attempting to convert people to another opinion.

&quot;This government is still by, for, and of the people. Thatâ€™s us. Exercise your rights! I heard over the weekend that just a few letters to a state legislator swayed their vote on a proposal. It may be a little more difficult to do that on the national level, but itâ€™s still possible. Go ahead: make a difference.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Defintion Proselytism: Proselytism is the practice of attempting to convert people to another opinion.</p>
<p>&#8220;This government is still by, for, and of the people. Thatâ€™s us. Exercise your rights! I heard over the weekend that just a few letters to a state legislator swayed their vote on a proposal. It may be a little more difficult to do that on the national level, but itâ€™s still possible. Go ahead: make a difference.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darth Curt said: &quot;I am concerned that a law stating that there shall be no religious discussion in the workplace would not allow me to share special religous events with coworkersâ€¦&quot;


Where is this law being proposed?   Any such LAW would be clearly unconstitutional.  A private employer may make a workplace RULE like this, and you would be free to find other employment if you don&#039;t like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darth Curt said: &#8220;I am concerned that a law stating that there shall be no religious discussion in the workplace would not allow me to share special religous events with coworkersâ€¦&#8221;</p>
<p>Where is this law being proposed?   Any such LAW would be clearly unconstitutional.  A private employer may make a workplace RULE like this, and you would be free to find other employment if you don&#8217;t like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Republitard McDumbass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Republitard McDumbass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What ever happened to the good ol&#039; days? Ya know- when people would practice their beliefs in Church and not impose their views on others in the workplace and in public schools etc. Christards are out of control nowadays. Don&#039;t even get me started in regards to the commercialization of the Christian faith. What a damn joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What ever happened to the good ol&#8217; days? Ya know- when people would practice their beliefs in Church and not impose their views on others in the workplace and in public schools etc. Christards are out of control nowadays. Don&#8217;t even get me started in regards to the commercialization of the Christian faith. What a damn joke.</p>
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