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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Rain prayer rain prayer go away &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-208172</link>
		<dc:creator>Rain prayer rain prayer go away &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ago during a particularly nasty drought in 2007. I wrote about this back when it happened (here and here and here, in that order), and I&#8217;ve talked about how intercessory prayer doesn&#8217;t work, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ago during a particularly nasty drought in 2007. I wrote about this back when it happened (here and here and here, in that order), and I&#8217;ve talked about how intercessory prayer doesn&#8217;t work, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Johns</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-55808</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Johns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Atlanta and recently became an athiest after a long, fruitless stint of adhering to the concept of God. Hearing the governor of my state pray for rain made me shake my head and sigh. This guy gets to make political decisions affecting me and my livelihood...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Atlanta and recently became an athiest after a long, fruitless stint of adhering to the concept of God. Hearing the governor of my state pray for rain made me shake my head and sigh. This guy gets to make political decisions affecting me and my livelihood&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ThorMakesThunder</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-55807</link>
		<dc:creator>ThorMakesThunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>best video on the stupidity of prayer ever:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>best video on the stupidity of prayer ever:  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI</a></p>
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		<title>By: ThorMakesThunder</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-55806</link>
		<dc:creator>ThorMakesThunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>best video on teh stupidity of prayer ever:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>best video on teh stupidity of prayer ever:  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI</a></p>
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		<title>By: Moose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buzz, the FSM makes no restrictions on the sauce. It&#039;s all good to Him.

rAmen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buzz, the FSM makes no restrictions on the sauce. It&#8217;s all good to Him.</p>
<p>rAmen.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz Parsec</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-55804</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz Parsec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moose -

Is the warm sacred sauce tomato-based?

And does that mean Fettucini Alfredo is the Anti-pasto?</description>
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<p>Is the warm sacred sauce tomato-based?</p>
<p>And does that mean Fettucini Alfredo is the Anti-pasto?</p>
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		<title>By: Daffy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-55803</link>
		<dc:creator>Daffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So what happens if two people pray for rain and another two pray for NO rain?&quot;

God develops facial tics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So what happens if two people pray for rain and another two pray for NO rain?&#8221;</p>
<p>God develops facial tics?</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Albert</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-55802</link>
		<dc:creator>Bad Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how it still rains in Dover even though they voted God out of the city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how it still rains in Dover even though they voted God out of the city.</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood Herring</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood Herring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œAgain I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.â€ (Matthew 18:19)

So what happens if two people pray for rain and another two pray for NO rain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œAgain I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.â€ (Matthew 18:19)</p>
<p>So what happens if two people pray for rain and another two pray for NO rain?</p>
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		<title>By: KC Caldwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I know Rabbi Lebow personally, and I can tell you he is definitely not one to believe that he needed an umbrella.  His answer &quot;that eventually it will rain&quot; sounds the way I remember him from college.  Let&#039;s face it he is right, eventually it will rain in Atlanta, with or without prayer.

By the way this is one cool rabbi, he doesn&#039;t believe in an afterlife and I remember him enjoying his Mcdonald&#039;s cheesburger while I ate a Filet of Fish sandwich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I know Rabbi Lebow personally, and I can tell you he is definitely not one to believe that he needed an umbrella.  His answer &#8220;that eventually it will rain&#8221; sounds the way I remember him from college.  Let&#8217;s face it he is right, eventually it will rain in Atlanta, with or without prayer.</p>
<p>By the way this is one cool rabbi, he doesn&#8217;t believe in an afterlife and I remember him enjoying his Mcdonald&#8217;s cheesburger while I ate a Filet of Fish sandwich.</p>
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		<title>By: Willo the Wisp</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-55799</link>
		<dc:creator>Willo the Wisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! And if I wish (sorry, pray) for long enough, I&#039;ll be able to walk through a wall. It will happen sooner or later, so says probability, so all I have to do is keep praying. And keep smashing myself against the wall in the meantime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! And if I wish (sorry, pray) for long enough, I&#8217;ll be able to walk through a wall. It will happen sooner or later, so says probability, so all I have to do is keep praying. And keep smashing myself against the wall in the meantime.</p>
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		<title>By: Saburai</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-55798</link>
		<dc:creator>Saburai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cold front that brought rain to Georgia wreaked havoc for the rest of us:

&quot;Storms hit elsewhere in the Southeast, injuring at least nine in Tennessee.

In Kentucky, a tornado hit a rural stretch of the southeastern part of the state Wednesday afternoon. No injuries were reported.

&quot;It was real intense,&quot; Laurel County Sheriff Fred Yaden said. &quot;The winds were really strong, and the rain was coming in gushes.&quot;&quot;

This irresponsible praying by the government of Georgia has to be stopped.

&quot;Dear God, let it rain&quot; is not nearly specific enough, and would never pass legal muster. Perhaps those injured in Tennessee can file a class action lawsuit against the praying masses of Georgia for the damages, injuries and trauma they suffered as a direct and irrefutable consequence of those prayers.

Obviously, the prayer should have been phrased far more specifically and responsibly:

&quot;Dear God, please deliver between 2 and 5 inches of rain, in increments not to exceed .03 inches per hour, beginning in a period not to exceed one week, and proceeding for a period not to exceed three weeks, not to extend beyond the territory of the state of Georgia, and not accompanied by any wind, hail, or lightning. Please note, God, that any injuries or damage occurring as a result of any precipitation you in your mercy decide to allot to the sovereign state of Georgia is not in any way the responsibility of the religious people undersigned, and that this prayer can in no way be interpreted to endorse flash flooding, soil erosion, car accidents, leaky roofs, or ruined leather coats. In your name we pray, Amen.&quot;

As it stands though, &quot;please rain, that is all&quot;, this looks like a liability nightmare. I mean, IF the prayer actually worked. So... religious Georgians, did the prayer actually work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cold front that brought rain to Georgia wreaked havoc for the rest of us:</p>
<p>&#8220;Storms hit elsewhere in the Southeast, injuring at least nine in Tennessee.</p>
<p>In Kentucky, a tornado hit a rural stretch of the southeastern part of the state Wednesday afternoon. No injuries were reported.</p>
<p>&#8220;It was real intense,&#8221; Laurel County Sheriff Fred Yaden said. &#8220;The winds were really strong, and the rain was coming in gushes.&#8221;"</p>
<p>This irresponsible praying by the government of Georgia has to be stopped.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dear God, let it rain&#8221; is not nearly specific enough, and would never pass legal muster. Perhaps those injured in Tennessee can file a class action lawsuit against the praying masses of Georgia for the damages, injuries and trauma they suffered as a direct and irrefutable consequence of those prayers.</p>
<p>Obviously, the prayer should have been phrased far more specifically and responsibly:</p>
<p>&#8220;Dear God, please deliver between 2 and 5 inches of rain, in increments not to exceed .03 inches per hour, beginning in a period not to exceed one week, and proceeding for a period not to exceed three weeks, not to extend beyond the territory of the state of Georgia, and not accompanied by any wind, hail, or lightning. Please note, God, that any injuries or damage occurring as a result of any precipitation you in your mercy decide to allot to the sovereign state of Georgia is not in any way the responsibility of the religious people undersigned, and that this prayer can in no way be interpreted to endorse flash flooding, soil erosion, car accidents, leaky roofs, or ruined leather coats. In your name we pray, Amen.&#8221;</p>
<p>As it stands though, &#8220;please rain, that is all&#8221;, this looks like a liability nightmare. I mean, IF the prayer actually worked. So&#8230; religious Georgians, did the prayer actually work?</p>
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		<title>By: CortxVortx</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-55797</link>
		<dc:creator>CortxVortx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;â€What is the governor doing besides praying?â€

There were rumors of the release of a whole lot of butterflies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;i&gt;That&lt;/i&gt; explains the typhoon in Bangladesh!

 -- CV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>â€What is the governor doing besides praying?â€</p>
<p>There were rumors of the release of a whole lot of butterflies.</p></blockquote>
<p><i>That</i> explains the typhoon in Bangladesh!</p>
<p> &#8212; CV</p>
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		<title>By: Freiddie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-55796</link>
		<dc:creator>Freiddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just the endless arguing thing. We always have to find some way to protect our stance, even if it means getting us to bend like rubber dolls around the obstacles of evidence. (I mean bending the truth so that it forces the hypothesis to be verified) On a better side, I think praying might be good for at least cheering the people up and being optimistic or something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just the endless arguing thing. We always have to find some way to protect our stance, even if it means getting us to bend like rubber dolls around the obstacles of evidence. (I mean bending the truth so that it forces the hypothesis to be verified) On a better side, I think praying might be good for at least cheering the people up and being optimistic or something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Daffy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-55795</link>
		<dc:creator>Daffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike R.,&quot;The concept of prayer is pretty complicated and the Bible has much more to say about it than the two verses above. God is not a cosmic Santa forced to give anything two idiots agree they want.&quot;

But the bible---in fact Jesus himself--- says exactly that (without the Santa reference). The fact that it contradicts itself elsewhere is hardly a ringing endorsement for its divinity.

What, your God can&#039;t even write a simple, declarative sentence? That&#039;s just sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike R.,&#8221;The concept of prayer is pretty complicated and the Bible has much more to say about it than the two verses above. God is not a cosmic Santa forced to give anything two idiots agree they want.&#8221;</p>
<p>But the bible&#8212;in fact Jesus himself&#8212; says exactly that (without the Santa reference). The fact that it contradicts itself elsewhere is hardly a ringing endorsement for its divinity.</p>
<p>What, your God can&#8217;t even write a simple, declarative sentence? That&#8217;s just sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet_Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet_Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&quot;What is the governor doing besides praying?&quot;

There were rumors of the release of a whole lot of butterflies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&#8221;What is the governor doing besides praying?&#8221;</p>
<p>There were rumors of the release of a whole lot of butterflies.</p>
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		<title>By: Will. M</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-55793</link>
		<dc:creator>Will. M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AND, last night ABC Nightly News closed their program with a &quot;feel good&quot; item about the gov. and the plea for intercessory prayer...Great Googa Mooga.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AND, last night ABC Nightly News closed their program with a &#8220;feel good&#8221; item about the gov. and the plea for intercessory prayer&#8230;Great Googa Mooga.</p>
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		<title>By: dre</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-55792</link>
		<dc:creator>dre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it rained like hell in my neighborhood (east atlanta) last night. now we&#039;ll never hear the end of it.

now if it will just rain like hell for a couple months straight (40 days and nights would be a good start), then we might get our reservoirs back up to normal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it rained like hell in my neighborhood (east atlanta) last night. now we&#8217;ll never hear the end of it.</p>
<p>now if it will just rain like hell for a couple months straight (40 days and nights would be a good start), then we might get our reservoirs back up to normal.</p>
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		<title>By: J Myers</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-55791</link>
		<dc:creator>J Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sherry, please see #4 here for what it means to be open minded (and all the rest of it for some other useful information):
http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/05/doggerel-index-suggestions.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sherry, please see #4 here for what it means to be open minded (and all the rest of it for some other useful information):<br />
<a href="http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/05/doggerel-index-suggestions.html" rel="nofollow">http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/05/doggerel-index-suggestions.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Moose</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-55790</link>
		<dc:creator>Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; # Aaron Luchkoon 14 Nov 2007 at 8:17 pm
&gt;
&gt; Clearly we cannot let the governorâ€™s prayers take all the credit for the
&gt; eventual rain. A group of pastafarians must perform a rain
&gt; prayer/dance/ritual to attract the attention of FSM and bring rain. Iâ€™m
&gt; not sure exactly what the ritual would entail but Iâ€™m guessing
&gt; something like leaving uncooked dry spaghetti on the ground or
&gt; something.

Like most Pastafarian rituals, the Ritual of Rain requires a feast that must begin at a time chosen by the FSM Himself.

The FSM will signal when the time is right for the Feast by extending His Noodly Appendage and touching a cloud, causing the blessed cloud to shed its rain. You must then collect a potful of the blessed rain water, add salt, then bring it to boil. Add your preferred sacred pasta as listed in the sacred texts of our Prophet: Saint Boyardee.

The sacred pasta will be ready when the Miracle of Pastal Levitation occurs. Blanket the sacred pasta in the warm embrace of the heated sauce. Then rejoice in the gaze of His Noodliness as you partake in His Bounty.

rAmen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; # Aaron Luchkoon 14 Nov 2007 at 8:17 pm<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Clearly we cannot let the governorâ€™s prayers take all the credit for the<br />
&gt; eventual rain. A group of pastafarians must perform a rain<br />
&gt; prayer/dance/ritual to attract the attention of FSM and bring rain. Iâ€™m<br />
&gt; not sure exactly what the ritual would entail but Iâ€™m guessing<br />
&gt; something like leaving uncooked dry spaghetti on the ground or<br />
&gt; something.</p>
<p>Like most Pastafarian rituals, the Ritual of Rain requires a feast that must begin at a time chosen by the FSM Himself.</p>
<p>The FSM will signal when the time is right for the Feast by extending His Noodly Appendage and touching a cloud, causing the blessed cloud to shed its rain. You must then collect a potful of the blessed rain water, add salt, then bring it to boil. Add your preferred sacred pasta as listed in the sacred texts of our Prophet: Saint Boyardee.</p>
<p>The sacred pasta will be ready when the Miracle of Pastal Levitation occurs. Blanket the sacred pasta in the warm embrace of the heated sauce. Then rejoice in the gaze of His Noodliness as you partake in His Bounty.</p>
<p>rAmen.</p>
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		<title>By: Skepterist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skepterist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sherry,

You have a right to pray at home, at church, or even in public, and I will defend that right. What this man as Governor does not have the right to do is say, &quot;I&#039;m Baptist, and I&#039;m going to pass laws based on my Baptist beliefs.&quot; That&#039;s what we are worried about. This government prayer a step in the wrong direction.

Again, why couldn&#039;t he lead his prayer session at church?

And please, don&#039;t try to play Christians as the wounded victim. There have been too many instances where freedoms were denied for the non-believers.

Whether there is a god &lt;b&gt;or not&lt;/b&gt; is something that the government shall have no part in FORCING upon the people. Not as long as the First Amendment exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sherry,</p>
<p>You have a right to pray at home, at church, or even in public, and I will defend that right. What this man as Governor does not have the right to do is say, &#8220;I&#8217;m Baptist, and I&#8217;m going to pass laws based on my Baptist beliefs.&#8221; That&#8217;s what we are worried about. This government prayer a step in the wrong direction.</p>
<p>Again, why couldn&#8217;t he lead his prayer session at church?</p>
<p>And please, don&#8217;t try to play Christians as the wounded victim. There have been too many instances where freedoms were denied for the non-believers.</p>
<p>Whether there is a god <b>or not</b> is something that the government shall have no part in FORCING upon the people. Not as long as the First Amendment exists.</p>
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		<title>By: tacitus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tacitus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sherry, I&#039;m not sure what this issue has to do with being open-minded.  If the Governor did more than ask people to pray (which would have been okay, as long as he didn&#039;t start invoking the name of Jesus, Allah, or some other sectarian entity), he organized a prayer vigil on government property, in government time, using government money.  The argument is that what he did is not Constitutional, not that people are being closed-minded about the affair.

Nobody is challenging your right to get down on your knees and pray in public (though I believe the Bible admonishes people about such things, ironically), just don&#039;t do it at the taxpayers&#039; expense.

If the Governor of Georgia started holding Muslim prayer services in the Capitol building, how long do you think it would be before thousands of Christians would be outside the doors howling and baying for his blood?  Works both ways, you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sherry, I&#8217;m not sure what this issue has to do with being open-minded.  If the Governor did more than ask people to pray (which would have been okay, as long as he didn&#8217;t start invoking the name of Jesus, Allah, or some other sectarian entity), he organized a prayer vigil on government property, in government time, using government money.  The argument is that what he did is not Constitutional, not that people are being closed-minded about the affair.</p>
<p>Nobody is challenging your right to get down on your knees and pray in public (though I believe the Bible admonishes people about such things, ironically), just don&#8217;t do it at the taxpayers&#8217; expense.</p>
<p>If the Governor of Georgia started holding Muslim prayer services in the Capitol building, how long do you think it would be before thousands of Christians would be outside the doors howling and baying for his blood?  Works both ways, you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/14/prayer-all-wet/comment-page-2/#comment-55788</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that those who claim to be &quot;open minded&quot; are the quickest to be critical of fundamentalist and are VERY vocal about it.... not very open minded if you ask me.  The Governor didn&#039;t stick a gun to anyone&#039;s head and tell them to pray. As a Christian, i&#039;m forced to listen to all the, for lack of a better term, politically correct stuff that&#039;s shoved down my throat every day, yet if I decided get down on my knees and pray in public, there would be a hoard of &quot;open minded&quot; &quot;free thinkers&quot; starting a picket line to have me removed.  Apparently Free speech isn&#039;t for everyone anymore, just for people who don&#039;t believe in God &amp; Jesus.

I saw a sign outside a veterinarian&#039;s office the other day &quot;Be careful, you can be so open minded your brains will fall out&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that those who claim to be &#8220;open minded&#8221; are the quickest to be critical of fundamentalist and are VERY vocal about it&#8230;. not very open minded if you ask me.  The Governor didn&#8217;t stick a gun to anyone&#8217;s head and tell them to pray. As a Christian, i&#8217;m forced to listen to all the, for lack of a better term, politically correct stuff that&#8217;s shoved down my throat every day, yet if I decided get down on my knees and pray in public, there would be a hoard of &#8220;open minded&#8221; &#8220;free thinkers&#8221; starting a picket line to have me removed.  Apparently Free speech isn&#8217;t for everyone anymore, just for people who don&#8217;t believe in God &amp; Jesus.</p>
<p>I saw a sign outside a veterinarian&#8217;s office the other day &#8220;Be careful, you can be so open minded your brains will fall out&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: NCJim</title>
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		<dc:creator>NCJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We here in NC certainly do appreciate the Good Gov for the rain we are now receiving thanks to his prayer.

Maybe if you didn&#039;t support this un-Christian war you would have actually gotten some rain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We here in NC certainly do appreciate the Good Gov for the rain we are now receiving thanks to his prayer.</p>
<p>Maybe if you didn&#8217;t support this un-Christian war you would have actually gotten some rain.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to make a joke about how I can make the sun rise by praying, but it may take 24 hours - then I saw kim&#039;s little missive
&lt;blockquote&gt;If carbon is not the culprit in recent warming, then the whole attempt to blame man for global warming is equivalent to praying.&lt;/blockquote&gt; so instead I&#039;ll make a joke about how if flipping the switch doesn&#039;t turn on the light then being an electrician is the equivalent to being an alchemist.

or how about &quot;If red is really green then you should go at the next red light&quot;

PS. I just now for the first time noticed the footer. He He</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to make a joke about how I can make the sun rise by praying, but it may take 24 hours &#8211; then I saw kim&#8217;s little missive</p>
<blockquote><p>If carbon is not the culprit in recent warming, then the whole attempt to blame man for global warming is equivalent to praying.</p></blockquote>
<p> so instead I&#8217;ll make a joke about how if flipping the switch doesn&#8217;t turn on the light then being an electrician is the equivalent to being an alchemist.</p>
<p>or how about &#8220;If red is really green then you should go at the next red light&#8221;</p>
<p>PS. I just now for the first time noticed the footer. He He</p>
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