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	<title>Comments on: I see you, Pamela</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Iant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/26/i-see-you-pamela/comment-page-1/#comment-57043</link>
		<dc:creator>Iant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How sad. There was an asteroid that just missed us, then a neighboring star failed to become supernova, thereâ€™s a behind schedule big meteorite, and now we have this issue. As proved: we will go extinct rather soon!
(I didnâ€™t suggest that non-astronomers have less dooms-day prophets, but astronomers are/were prized by laymen for accurate calculations:))

Iant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How sad. There was an asteroid that just missed us, then a neighboring star failed to become supernova, thereâ€™s a behind schedule big meteorite, and now we have this issue. As proved: we will go extinct rather soon!<br />
(I didnâ€™t suggest that non-astronomers have less dooms-day prophets, but astronomers are/were prized by laymen for accurate calculations:))</p>
<p>Iant</p>
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		<title>By: Aubri</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/26/i-see-you-pamela/comment-page-1/#comment-57042</link>
		<dc:creator>Aubri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Argh.  I wish people would learn that &quot;observer&quot; in QM is shorthand for &quot;putting it in a situation in which it /could be/ observed&quot;.  It doesn&#039;t matter if a living mind sees the results.

Anyway, it&#039;s not like anything other than individual particles are ever in a real, interfere-able quantum state.  By definition, every atom of a body is being &quot;observed&quot; by its neighboring atoms.  We can write the waveform for the possibilities of a living or dead cat, but that doesn&#039;t change the reality of what&#039;s in the box; it&#039;s just a representation of our (lack of) knowledge.  The cat will still start to meow or stink at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argh.  I wish people would learn that &#8220;observer&#8221; in QM is shorthand for &#8220;putting it in a situation in which it /could be/ observed&#8221;.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if a living mind sees the results.</p>
<p>Anyway, it&#8217;s not like anything other than individual particles are ever in a real, interfere-able quantum state.  By definition, every atom of a body is being &#8220;observed&#8221; by its neighboring atoms.  We can write the waveform for the possibilities of a living or dead cat, but that doesn&#8217;t change the reality of what&#8217;s in the box; it&#8217;s just a representation of our (lack of) knowledge.  The cat will still start to meow or stink at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris!</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/26/i-see-you-pamela/comment-page-1/#comment-57041</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you posted something from somethingaweful.com a little bit ago did you see the magazine send up they did in the photoshop Friday?

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/photoshop-phriday/magazine-mayhem3-2.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you posted something from somethingaweful.com a little bit ago did you see the magazine send up they did in the photoshop Friday?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.somethingawful.com/d/photoshop-phriday/magazine-mayhem3-2.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.somethingawful.com/d/photoshop-phriday/magazine-mayhem3-2.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: ZZMike</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/26/i-see-you-pamela/comment-page-1/#comment-57040</link>
		<dc:creator>ZZMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that story when it came out.  I thought it was a great example of someone - doesn&#039;t matter who - thinking about the Heisenberg principle and applying it to everything under the Sun.  I thought New Scientist was supposed to be a pretty good magazine - maybe even something like the old Scientific American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that story when it came out.  I thought it was a great example of someone &#8211; doesn&#8217;t matter who &#8211; thinking about the Heisenberg principle and applying it to everything under the Sun.  I thought New Scientist was supposed to be a pretty good magazine &#8211; maybe even something like the old Scientific American.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/26/i-see-you-pamela/comment-page-1/#comment-57039</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when I first read about Boltzmann Brains in &lt;i&gt;New Scientist&lt;/i&gt;, my first thought was, &quot;This stuff is so weird and so utterly unbelievable even to an educated layman, it really needs to be taken with a large grain of salt...or is this just another Alan Sokal hoax?&quot;  A few months later, &lt;i&gt;NS&lt;/i&gt; reported that some scientists were convinced that Botzmann Brains would be the predominant form of intelligence in most versions of the universe - and therefore may elbow aside our puny human intelligences!

Sadly, Alan Sokal&#039;s object lesson in the gullibility of non-scientists when confronted with convincing-sounding gobbledygook spouted by a respected scientist has primarily had the effect of teaching non-scientists to disregard pretty much anything that scientists say that doesn&#039;t conform to their own observations.  While this may result in a healthy level of skepticism when faced with alarms of impending invasions of Bolzmann Brains or universes condemned to death by scientists who dared to peer into the Great Unknown, it&#039;s also resulted in a general distrust of any statements that require much more than a high school education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when I first read about Boltzmann Brains in <i>New Scientist</i>, my first thought was, &#8220;This stuff is so weird and so utterly unbelievable even to an educated layman, it really needs to be taken with a large grain of salt&#8230;or is this just another Alan Sokal hoax?&#8221;  A few months later, <i>NS</i> reported that some scientists were convinced that Botzmann Brains would be the predominant form of intelligence in most versions of the universe &#8211; and therefore may elbow aside our puny human intelligences!</p>
<p>Sadly, Alan Sokal&#8217;s object lesson in the gullibility of non-scientists when confronted with convincing-sounding gobbledygook spouted by a respected scientist has primarily had the effect of teaching non-scientists to disregard pretty much anything that scientists say that doesn&#8217;t conform to their own observations.  While this may result in a healthy level of skepticism when faced with alarms of impending invasions of Bolzmann Brains or universes condemned to death by scientists who dared to peer into the Great Unknown, it&#8217;s also resulted in a general distrust of any statements that require much more than a high school education.</p>
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		<title>By: Acleron</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/26/i-see-you-pamela/comment-page-1/#comment-57038</link>
		<dc:creator>Acleron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>moopet you are right. The last time I bought a copy was when an article reckoned that firing microwaves within a continer could make it move!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>moopet you are right. The last time I bought a copy was when an article reckoned that firing microwaves within a continer could make it move!!</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/11/26/i-see-you-pamela/comment-page-1/#comment-57037</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard more complaints about &lt;i&gt;New Scientist&lt;/i&gt; than about any other science magazine, and from a wider variety of fields, too:  astronomy, computer science, linguistics, medicine, physics.  For my writeup of one such incident, with lots of sources cited, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sunclipse.org/?p=50&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and for an editor of &lt;i&gt;New Scientist&lt;/i&gt; not caring, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sunclipse.org/?p=296&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  (In the latter case, said editor dared me to write 2400 words of pop science that he could critique.  I picked a topic and wrote about 1800 of those words before John Baez and Chris Hillman convinced me that it&#039;d be a waste of my time:  &quot;No Man but a blockhead ever did anything involving being peppered with buckshot, except for money.&quot;  I&#039;ll probably finish up that piece soon anyway; it&#039;s on Jack Cowan&#039;s theoretical neuroscience.  I have written &lt;a href=&quot;http://snews.bnl.gov/popsci/contents.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;material aimed for high-school students&lt;/a&gt;, who might be a more sophisticated audience than the editorial teams of glossy magazines.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard more complaints about <i>New Scientist</i> than about any other science magazine, and from a wider variety of fields, too:  astronomy, computer science, linguistics, medicine, physics.  For my writeup of one such incident, with lots of sources cited, see <a href="http://www.sunclipse.org/?p=50" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and for an editor of <i>New Scientist</i> not caring, see <a href="http://www.sunclipse.org/?p=296" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  (In the latter case, said editor dared me to write 2400 words of pop science that he could critique.  I picked a topic and wrote about 1800 of those words before John Baez and Chris Hillman convinced me that it&#8217;d be a waste of my time:  &#8220;No Man but a blockhead ever did anything involving being peppered with buckshot, except for money.&#8221;  I&#8217;ll probably finish up that piece soon anyway; it&#8217;s on Jack Cowan&#8217;s theoretical neuroscience.  I have written <a href="http://snews.bnl.gov/popsci/contents.html" rel="nofollow">material aimed for high-school students</a>, who might be a more sophisticated audience than the editorial teams of glossy magazines.)</p>
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