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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Boltzman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/14/italian-ufo/comment-page-2/#comment-203706</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Boltzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; He clings to his “facts” &lt;&lt; Only the fact that it&#039;s not a &quot;UFO&quot;.

That&#039;s what its computer-graphics manipulator presented it as. &lt;Hint&gt;

&gt;&gt; True Believer &lt;&lt; Been called &quot;skeptibunker&quot; by cranks too!

 :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>> He clings to his “facts” < < Only the fact that it's not a "UFO".</p>
<p>That's what its computer-graphics manipulator presented it as. <Hint></p>
<p>>> True Believer < < Been called &#8220;skeptibunker&#8221; by cranks too!</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: kuhnigget</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/14/italian-ufo/comment-page-2/#comment-202594</link>
		<dc:creator>kuhnigget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See responses to Mr. Boltzman&#039;s numerous comments in the &quot;slamming-the-astronomers-should-see-ufos-myth&quot; post. 

He clings to his &quot;facts&quot; in the face of obvious inconsistencies and logical breakdowns...the sign of a True Believer™.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See responses to Mr. Boltzman&#8217;s numerous comments in the &#8220;slamming-the-astronomers-should-see-ufos-myth&#8221; post. </p>
<p>He clings to his &#8220;facts&#8221; in the face of obvious inconsistencies and logical breakdowns&#8230;the sign of a True Believer™.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Boltzman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/14/italian-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-179511</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Boltzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 19:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gentlemen; Old topic, but for your future &quot;UFO&quot; debunking pleasure. ;-)   

It&#039;s a television satellite in a highly elliptical geosynchronous orbit near the ecliptic. Such an orbit describes an analemma in the sky. In this case, one lobe of the stretched figure-eight is seen in front of the Moon.

It&#039;s round because it&#039;s out of focus. And any typical video of a satellite passing in front of the Moon will appear about the size seen in this video.

The author of the video was told all this by an astronomer but chose to ignore that rather obvious and conclusive determination--opting for the indeterminant &quot;UFO&quot; instead. A balloon, near or far in random air, would not have remained in front of the Moon&#039;s small 30 arc/sec but a moment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analemma</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gentlemen; Old topic, but for your future &#8220;UFO&#8221; debunking pleasure. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />    </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a television satellite in a highly elliptical geosynchronous orbit near the ecliptic. Such an orbit describes an analemma in the sky. In this case, one lobe of the stretched figure-eight is seen in front of the Moon.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s round because it&#8217;s out of focus. And any typical video of a satellite passing in front of the Moon will appear about the size seen in this video.</p>
<p>The author of the video was told all this by an astronomer but chose to ignore that rather obvious and conclusive determination&#8211;opting for the indeterminant &#8220;UFO&#8221; instead. A balloon, near or far in random air, would not have remained in front of the Moon&#8217;s small 30 arc/sec but a moment.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analemma" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analemma</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mckenna</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/14/italian-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-59417</link>
		<dc:creator>Mckenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally think it&#039;s a balloon but I still believe in intelligent life forms, because to think that we are the only ones in the universe is as stupid as planting 1,000,000,000 flowers and thinking only one will grow. Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think it&#8217;s a balloon but I still believe in intelligent life forms, because to think that we are the only ones in the universe is as stupid as planting 1,000,000,000 flowers and thinking only one will grow. Right?</p>
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		<title>By: Mckenna</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/14/italian-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-59416</link>
		<dc:creator>Mckenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean but not bug in third sentence.</description>
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		<title>By: Mckenna</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/14/italian-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-59415</link>
		<dc:creator>Mckenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s most likely a balloon. My next guess is photoshop. Then the bug theory, bug then we all might be wrong. I mean, you could say it&#039;s ANYTHING when your only proof is no one ahs proved it doesn&#039;t exist!
lol I love Harry Potter, for those who don&#039;t get it, that&#039;s what Hermione says to Luna Lovegoods dad. lol sorry I&#039;m getting off topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s most likely a balloon. My next guess is photoshop. Then the bug theory, bug then we all might be wrong. I mean, you could say it&#8217;s ANYTHING when your only proof is no one ahs proved it doesn&#8217;t exist!<br />
lol I love Harry Potter, for those who don&#8217;t get it, that&#8217;s what Hermione says to Luna Lovegoods dad. lol sorry I&#8217;m getting off topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/14/italian-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-59414</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 06:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the Balloon theory,  but in the spirit of debunking the huge kilometers wide craft floating over the moon..... Where is the huge shadow it would cast on the surface of our favorite natural satellite?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the Balloon theory,  but in the spirit of debunking the huge kilometers wide craft floating over the moon&#8230;.. Where is the huge shadow it would cast on the surface of our favorite natural satellite?</p>
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		<title>By: Irishscribe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/14/italian-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-59413</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishscribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a childs&#039; balloon, guys and girls. Unless I&#039;m mistaken, the object isn&#039;t absolutely round, it appears at times to have that &quot;pear-shape&quot; an inflated balloon has. We only see this occaisionally, because of course the baloon is tumbleing as it is blown across the sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a childs&#8217; balloon, guys and girls. Unless I&#8217;m mistaken, the object isn&#8217;t absolutely round, it appears at times to have that &#8220;pear-shape&#8221; an inflated balloon has. We only see this occaisionally, because of course the baloon is tumbleing as it is blown across the sky.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugghh. I want my four minutes back.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Lonergan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Lonergan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did unbreak pop our balloon?</description>
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		<title>By: Just Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unbreak said, &lt;i&gt;Balloon???? Ohhh its the same excuse they gave for the the Roswell crash.. they said that too was a balloon…&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, unbreak&#039;s right! [Oh, sorry, add a few more exclamation points]!!eleven! How could the balloon that was found near Roswell possibly have reinflated and gotten to Italy?/^?

Unless... there&#039;s been a security breach at Hangar 51 (that&#039;s in Area 17) and the cloned alienses escaped [seven in binary]. Any second now, you&#039;re going to see the video removed from teh worldwidewobbly as Echelon comes back online to enforce the conspiracyžÔ&amp;

rofl noobs pwned brb ad hoc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unbreak said, <i>Balloon???? Ohhh its the same excuse they gave for the the Roswell crash.. they said that too was a balloon…</i></p>
<p>Yeah, unbreak&#8217;s right! [Oh, sorry, add a few more exclamation points]!!eleven! How could the balloon that was found near Roswell possibly have reinflated and gotten to Italy?/^?</p>
<p>Unless&#8230; there&#8217;s been a security breach at Hangar 51 (that&#8217;s in Area 17) and the cloned alienses escaped [seven in binary]. Any second now, you&#8217;re going to see the video removed from teh worldwidewobbly as Echelon comes back online to enforce the conspiracyžÔ&amp;</p>
<p>rofl noobs pwned brb ad hoc</p>
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		<title>By: shash</title>
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		<dc:creator>shash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of other points:
1) If it were really flying at a long distance away (as in, near the moon), it would either have to be a perfect sphere, constantly reorient itself to show the circular face to us, or it would change shape as it moved across the view. If we assume a disc-like shape, it should start becoming slightly distorted and cigar-shaped as it moved.
2) It doesn&#039;t seem to be reflecting any light. I&#039;m not sure, but I&#039;d expect anything that large (like the BA said, it should be several kilometers in diameter at the very least) would reflect &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt;. It&#039;s almost perfectly dark.

So, either it&#039;s a several km-wide flying sphere, a several km-wide flying disc constantly reorienting itself towards the Earth (for whatever alien reason), or it&#039;s got more terrestrial origins...

Just in case, I for one welcome our reorienting-disc and sphere craft overlords! :-D

BTW, the time on the video appears to be 10:52 PM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of other points:<br />
1) If it were really flying at a long distance away (as in, near the moon), it would either have to be a perfect sphere, constantly reorient itself to show the circular face to us, or it would change shape as it moved across the view. If we assume a disc-like shape, it should start becoming slightly distorted and cigar-shaped as it moved.<br />
2) It doesn&#8217;t seem to be reflecting any light. I&#8217;m not sure, but I&#8217;d expect anything that large (like the BA said, it should be several kilometers in diameter at the very least) would reflect <i>something</i>. It&#8217;s almost perfectly dark.</p>
<p>So, either it&#8217;s a several km-wide flying sphere, a several km-wide flying disc constantly reorienting itself towards the Earth (for whatever alien reason), or it&#8217;s got more terrestrial origins&#8230;</p>
<p>Just in case, I for one welcome our reorienting-disc and sphere craft overlords! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>BTW, the time on the video appears to be 10:52 PM.</p>
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		<title>By: mike burkhart</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike burkhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>may be its a seen from the upcoming close encounters meets et movie it could be a computer garphic image</description>
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		<title>By: unbreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>unbreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Balloon???? Ohhh its the same excuse they gave for the the Roswell crash.. they said that too was a balloon...

Im sure it is not a balloon... who knows what it is?

The turm U.F.O is correctly used for this until someone says for sure what it is with proof, not speculation...

Balloon&gt;... lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Balloon???? Ohhh its the same excuse they gave for the the Roswell crash.. they said that too was a balloon&#8230;</p>
<p>Im sure it is not a balloon&#8230; who knows what it is?</p>
<p>The turm U.F.O is correctly used for this until someone says for sure what it is with proof, not speculation&#8230;</p>
<p>Balloon&gt;&#8230; lol</p>
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		<title>By: CS</title>
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		<dc:creator>CS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a translation of the answers given in an interview by Alberto Mayer, the author of the footage. I skipped the questions.

The evening of 29 April I was proceeding to focus a video camera attached to a telescope. The focusing procedure was complicated by the high enlargement and the elevated atmospheric turbulence, The image of the moon appeared trembling, but I immediately perceived the presence of a small black dot on the side of the moon. At the moment, I thought that it was some dirt, particles of dust on the sensor of the video camera. But after a closer observation I realized that the dot was slowly moving and showed the typical distortions caused by a bad seein (atmospheric turbulence). At that point I started rather frantically to start the filming, hoping to obtain the most clear and stable footage.
At first I though that it was a geostationary satellite at the liberation (launch?) stage, or the transit of a weather balloon collecting meteorological data, but mostly I was focusing on framing the object in the best possible way, recording the spacial and temporal data.

The first hypothesis, a geostationary satellite, was dismissed after a preliminary analysis of the data, also if the observed area matched the trajectory of a GeoSync satellite. But the dimensions did not match, as the size object would have been of about one kilometer and that ruled out the theory of a satellite. The second hypothesis, a weather balloon, seemed more plausible at first. But also in this case, on the basis of trigonometric calculations, the perspective dimensions and the sighting time, too far from the launch time from the air bases, did not match.

After years of observations, of nights passed observing and photographing the skies, I reached the opinion that the universe could contain millions or billions of life forms, from the most elementary ones to the so called &quot;intelligent&quot; ones. The structure of the universe is essentially uniform, and as far as we know, all the stars obey to the same physical laws and they all have the same chemical composition. However, supporting the theory of a universe rich with life, does not mean that one should accept the fact that alien life forms roam our skies undisturbed, with the purpose of studying us, analyzing us, making fun of us by creating strange patterns in crops, or making rare appearances that few chosen people have witness.
I am strongly convinced that what I filmed has nothing to do with little green mans looking for some press coverage.
Often, when we find ourselves facing some mysterious events, their real nature is revealed by the simplest explanation, and a less fascinating but more human theory haas prevailed.
Supported by the Astrofili Sheratan group that has enthusiastically asked for opinions all over the world, the satellite, weather balloon, and strange flying objects theories have been dismissed, and an hypothesis less exiting and more human prevailed.
At the end of this long story, in the squares of Northern Italy could resound with the desperate cry of a child that saw his balloon escape from his hand. But there are no certainties....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a translation of the answers given in an interview by Alberto Mayer, the author of the footage. I skipped the questions.</p>
<p>The evening of 29 April I was proceeding to focus a video camera attached to a telescope. The focusing procedure was complicated by the high enlargement and the elevated atmospheric turbulence, The image of the moon appeared trembling, but I immediately perceived the presence of a small black dot on the side of the moon. At the moment, I thought that it was some dirt, particles of dust on the sensor of the video camera. But after a closer observation I realized that the dot was slowly moving and showed the typical distortions caused by a bad seein (atmospheric turbulence). At that point I started rather frantically to start the filming, hoping to obtain the most clear and stable footage.<br />
At first I though that it was a geostationary satellite at the liberation (launch?) stage, or the transit of a weather balloon collecting meteorological data, but mostly I was focusing on framing the object in the best possible way, recording the spacial and temporal data.</p>
<p>The first hypothesis, a geostationary satellite, was dismissed after a preliminary analysis of the data, also if the observed area matched the trajectory of a GeoSync satellite. But the dimensions did not match, as the size object would have been of about one kilometer and that ruled out the theory of a satellite. The second hypothesis, a weather balloon, seemed more plausible at first. But also in this case, on the basis of trigonometric calculations, the perspective dimensions and the sighting time, too far from the launch time from the air bases, did not match.</p>
<p>After years of observations, of nights passed observing and photographing the skies, I reached the opinion that the universe could contain millions or billions of life forms, from the most elementary ones to the so called &#8220;intelligent&#8221; ones. The structure of the universe is essentially uniform, and as far as we know, all the stars obey to the same physical laws and they all have the same chemical composition. However, supporting the theory of a universe rich with life, does not mean that one should accept the fact that alien life forms roam our skies undisturbed, with the purpose of studying us, analyzing us, making fun of us by creating strange patterns in crops, or making rare appearances that few chosen people have witness.<br />
I am strongly convinced that what I filmed has nothing to do with little green mans looking for some press coverage.<br />
Often, when we find ourselves facing some mysterious events, their real nature is revealed by the simplest explanation, and a less fascinating but more human theory haas prevailed.<br />
Supported by the Astrofili Sheratan group that has enthusiastically asked for opinions all over the world, the satellite, weather balloon, and strange flying objects theories have been dismissed, and an hypothesis less exiting and more human prevailed.<br />
At the end of this long story, in the squares of Northern Italy could resound with the desperate cry of a child that saw his balloon escape from his hand. But there are no certainties&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lonergan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Lonergan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 08:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That&#039;s no Moon, it&#039;s a Balloon!&quot;  Sorry Mandy, couldn&#039;t resist!  Resistance is futile, as they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s no Moon, it&#8217;s a Balloon!&#8221;  Sorry Mandy, couldn&#8217;t resist!  Resistance is futile, as they say.</p>
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		<title>By: Christa Cochran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christa Cochran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of the weather balloon - it also makes identifying how high up it was and why the movement changed, you just have to look up the data from the sounding online, that is, if the video is from around the time when it would be launched - O Z and 12 Z</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of the weather balloon &#8211; it also makes identifying how high up it was and why the movement changed, you just have to look up the data from the sounding online, that is, if the video is from around the time when it would be launched &#8211; O Z and 12 Z</p>
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		<title>By: MandyDax</title>
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		<dc:creator>MandyDax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That&#039;s no moon!&quot;

But seriously. It&#039;s a balloon.  Too bad they didn&#039;t call someone with better equipment to record the transit.  I wonder what Kayuga and Chang&#039;e recorded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s no moon!&#8221;</p>
<p>But seriously. It&#8217;s a balloon.  Too bad they didn&#8217;t call someone with better equipment to record the transit.  I wonder what Kayuga and Chang&#8217;e recorded?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the Vogons!!!

Grab your towels!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the Vogons!!!</p>
<p>Grab your towels!</p>
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		<title>By: BradC</title>
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		<dc:creator>BradC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-- Could a comparison be done on the magnitude of the distortion of the Moon’s features versus the distortion of the objects outline? Might give a rough distance estimate for a close object.

Not likely. Although the turbulence likely gets worse the further you go up, I would be surprised if it were very uniform--there are probably some layers of air at different altitudes that are very turbulent, and others that are not.

Plus, it would be hard to measure the &quot;degree of turbulence&quot; to any accuracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211; Could a comparison be done on the magnitude of the distortion of the Moon’s features versus the distortion of the objects outline? Might give a rough distance estimate for a close object.</p>
<p>Not likely. Although the turbulence likely gets worse the further you go up, I would be surprised if it were very uniform&#8211;there are probably some layers of air at different altitudes that are very turbulent, and others that are not.</p>
<p>Plus, it would be hard to measure the &#8220;degree of turbulence&#8221; to any accuracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--- &lt;i&gt;mean, it’s as if the guy filmed this over a stove.&lt;/i&gt;

Or through a bunch of turbulent atmosphere.

Hmm.

Could a comparison be done on the magnitude of the distortion of the Moon&#039;s features versus the distortion of the objects outline? Might give a rough distance estimate for a close object.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212; <i>mean, it’s as if the guy filmed this over a stove.</i></p>
<p>Or through a bunch of turbulent atmosphere.</p>
<p>Hmm.</p>
<p>Could a comparison be done on the magnitude of the distortion of the Moon&#8217;s features versus the distortion of the objects outline? Might give a rough distance estimate for a close object.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, yeah, yeah, you think you is teh smart, but how do you nots know it wern&#039;t an ALIEN balloon! Huh? Huh? Huh? Yeah, thought so! Ha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, yeah, yeah, you think you is teh smart, but how do you nots know it wern&#8217;t an ALIEN balloon! Huh? Huh? Huh? Yeah, thought so! Ha!</p>
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		<title>By: Yojimbo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/14/italian-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-59398</link>
		<dc:creator>Yojimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not even sure we can say it is a UFO.  It appears to be flying but there&#039;s not enough to go on to be sure of that.  It is more of a UO.  For that matter, IS it an object, or some artifact from the film process or the camera?

I think we can say for sure it is a U.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not even sure we can say it is a UFO.  It appears to be flying but there&#8217;s not enough to go on to be sure of that.  It is more of a UO.  For that matter, IS it an object, or some artifact from the film process or the camera?</p>
<p>I think we can say for sure it is a U.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough.  I admit to knowing absolutely nothing on the subject of telescopes.  I hadn&#039;t thought of the focus at all.

I suppose the balloon hypothesis it is, then.  :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.  I admit to knowing absolutely nothing on the subject of telescopes.  I hadn&#8217;t thought of the focus at all.</p>
<p>I suppose the balloon hypothesis it is, then.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Centipede</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/14/italian-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-59396</link>
		<dc:creator>The Centipede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doctor,

The United States Air Force wants its boilerplate coverup story back.  Send the letter to Groom Lake, c/o of Project Blue Book, and make sure to send it in your time machine back to some time around 1963. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctor,</p>
<p>The United States Air Force wants its boilerplate coverup story back.  Send the letter to Groom Lake, c/o of Project Blue Book, and make sure to send it in your time machine back to some time around 1963. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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