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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark-Vincent</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/17/hoagland-lose/comment-page-2/#comment-457177</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark-Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, Screw MARS...MARS is a dead planet 100% !!! It wil take hounreds if not thousands of years to make MARS habittable for humans!!! The Moon is the place to be man!!! I also think it is strange,but the moon has got these strange Aliens on it who have builded things like crazy !!! I wonder why these Aliens are so sneaky and why they build in such a sneaky way also btw.(very artistic and intelligent btw,but still...SNEAKY) What are they doing up there that Humans are not allowed to be part of or know about??? Strange and bizar!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, Screw MARS&#8230;MARS is a dead planet 100% !!! It wil take hounreds if not thousands of years to make MARS habittable for humans!!! The Moon is the place to be man!!! I also think it is strange,but the moon has got these strange Aliens on it who have builded things like crazy !!! I wonder why these Aliens are so sneaky and why they build in such a sneaky way also btw.(very artistic and intelligent btw,but still&#8230;SNEAKY) What are they doing up there that Humans are not allowed to be part of or know about??? Strange and bizar!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark-Vincent</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/17/hoagland-lose/comment-page-2/#comment-457170</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark-Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a Question for you... Here we go:

Do you think that in the &#039;50s,&#039;60s and &#039;70s that there where Aliens on the moon and buildings,bones,Spaceships and Worms and hovering Spheres,Structures and even a Blacl Round Moondragon where on the moon??? Do you believe that it is possible or did NASA have incredible artists on their payrole who not only airbrushed a lot of things out that I had to get back to the surface with a simple iPhone and a laptop, or do you also believe the pictures from the NASA websites aren&#039;t tempered with??? Oooh and btw, Yes Richard C.Hoalgland hvae lost his mind and has gone way beyound reality. He is officially a nutcase now yes. Anyway,what is y0ur answer on my question??? Greetings,from THE...
De-DeBunker Mark-Vincent. 
Ps,I am starting to believe that I am quite a unique guy,cos nowhere on the entire internet anyone have done what I have done and made pictures that way I did. I know for a fact that if I only would publish even one picture on the YOUTUBE,that I will get millions of hits,knowing the fact all the lousy pictures everybody have placed or CGI or out of focus or short. But Never NASA pictures like I have. STRANGE !!!!!!! I have about 35.0000 pics. of the moon wich are about 95% all clear footage. NASA&#039;s gona hate my guts if I would go public btw!!! I&#039;m stil in doubt and hey,do you know how an ALien looks like on the moon. I have 3 different spiecies on film.(Besides the deceased ones ofcourse,because in the Apollo days the Aliens where possibly the 3rd dominant species ever to have lived on the moon.The mon is not a dead planet at all and anyone who wants to proof me wrong will proof NASA is a nutty crazy freaky strange organisation for putting all those Aliens and Buildings etc etc etc in their pictures!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a Question for you&#8230; Here we go:</p>
<p>Do you think that in the &#8217;50s,&#8217;60s and &#8217;70s that there where Aliens on the moon and buildings,bones,Spaceships and Worms and hovering Spheres,Structures and even a Blacl Round Moondragon where on the moon??? Do you believe that it is possible or did NASA have incredible artists on their payrole who not only airbrushed a lot of things out that I had to get back to the surface with a simple iPhone and a laptop, or do you also believe the pictures from the NASA websites aren&#8217;t tempered with??? Oooh and btw, Yes Richard C.Hoalgland hvae lost his mind and has gone way beyound reality. He is officially a nutcase now yes. Anyway,what is y0ur answer on my question??? Greetings,from THE&#8230;<br />
De-DeBunker Mark-Vincent.<br />
Ps,I am starting to believe that I am quite a unique guy,cos nowhere on the entire internet anyone have done what I have done and made pictures that way I did. I know for a fact that if I only would publish even one picture on the YOUTUBE,that I will get millions of hits,knowing the fact all the lousy pictures everybody have placed or CGI or out of focus or short. But Never NASA pictures like I have. STRANGE !!!!!!! I have about 35.0000 pics. of the moon wich are about 95% all clear footage. NASA&#8217;s gona hate my guts if I would go public btw!!! I&#8217;m stil in doubt and hey,do you know how an ALien looks like on the moon. I have 3 different spiecies on film.(Besides the deceased ones ofcourse,because in the Apollo days the Aliens where possibly the 3rd dominant species ever to have lived on the moon.The mon is not a dead planet at all and anyone who wants to proof me wrong will proof NASA is a nutty crazy freaky strange organisation for putting all those Aliens and Buildings etc etc etc in their pictures!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mauro</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/17/hoagland-lose/comment-page-2/#comment-307381</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Phil Plait,
i think you&#039;re a little closer to write on a blog called &#039;DISCOVER&#039;..
maybe you can now change your work in GREENGROCER.

NASA:  the truth is out there. (but we don&#039;t tell you about it ) ahahahaha ... it&#039;s a SHAME

Too often, the arrogance and narrow-mindedness as a substitute for serious research ...
I believe that these theories are worth much more groundbreaking than the usual lies repeated a thousand times... even if no glass city are existing on the Moon. 

Lie gracefully is an art, telling the truth and act according to nature. [O Wilde]

The progress of science is littered like an old path in the desert, skeletons disposed of abandoned theories that once seemed to possess eternal life. [A. Koestler]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Phil Plait,<br />
i think you&#8217;re a little closer to write on a blog called &#8216;DISCOVER&#8217;..<br />
maybe you can now change your work in GREENGROCER.</p>
<p>NASA:  the truth is out there. (but we don&#8217;t tell you about it ) ahahahaha &#8230; it&#8217;s a SHAME</p>
<p>Too often, the arrogance and narrow-mindedness as a substitute for serious research &#8230;<br />
I believe that these theories are worth much more groundbreaking than the usual lies repeated a thousand times&#8230; even if no glass city are existing on the Moon. </p>
<p>Lie gracefully is an art, telling the truth and act according to nature. [O Wilde]</p>
<p>The progress of science is littered like an old path in the desert, skeletons disposed of abandoned theories that once seemed to possess eternal life. [A. Koestler]</p>
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		<title>By: elmo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/17/hoagland-lose/comment-page-2/#comment-244202</link>
		<dc:creator>elmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Methinks thou dost protest too much.  

(And misspell too much too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Methinks thou dost protest too much.  </p>
<p>(And misspell too much too.)</p>
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		<title>By: saltamonte</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/17/hoagland-lose/comment-page-2/#comment-240065</link>
		<dc:creator>saltamonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoagland is a con man pure and simple and a disgrace to the true tenets of scientific inquiry. Ironically, he has provided us with something valuable. He&#039;s shown us just how many among us are fooled by his nonsense. The shear number of people out there that are ready to believe things that have no factual basis is disturbing. Just where has critical thinking and skepticism gone? Its almost as if the mindset that existed during the witch hunting medieval period has persisted into the present for some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoagland is a con man pure and simple and a disgrace to the true tenets of scientific inquiry. Ironically, he has provided us with something valuable. He&#8217;s shown us just how many among us are fooled by his nonsense. The shear number of people out there that are ready to believe things that have no factual basis is disturbing. Just where has critical thinking and skepticism gone? Its almost as if the mindset that existed during the witch hunting medieval period has persisted into the present for some.</p>
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		<title>By: Chup@Cabra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chup@Cabra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I love Richard Hoagland and his site, but for a reason I&#039;m sure he would not appreciate :-)

You see, I am a HUGE geek, and love shows like the X-Files, and stories about U.F.O.s, cryptozoology, etc. (and strangely enough, stuff like this is popping up more and more on the History Channel, of all places).

Primarily, though, Hoagland&#039;s &#039;findings&#039; have made great fodder for a game I and my friends play called Dark Matter (kind of like &quot;Dungeons and Dragons&quot; meets the &#039;X-Files&#039; [told you I was a geek ^_^] ).

Hope he never closes down his site, then I&#039;ll have to start thinking up stuff for myself :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I love Richard Hoagland and his site, but for a reason I&#8217;m sure he would not appreciate <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You see, I am a HUGE geek, and love shows like the X-Files, and stories about U.F.O.s, cryptozoology, etc. (and strangely enough, stuff like this is popping up more and more on the History Channel, of all places).</p>
<p>Primarily, though, Hoagland&#8217;s &#8216;findings&#8217; have made great fodder for a game I and my friends play called Dark Matter (kind of like &#8220;Dungeons and Dragons&#8221; meets the &#8216;X-Files&#8217; [told you I was a geek ^_^] ).</p>
<p>Hope he never closes down his site, then I&#8217;ll have to start thinking up stuff for myself <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rota</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/17/hoagland-lose/comment-page-2/#comment-59884</link>
		<dc:creator>Rota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin....I think football is boring but its my personnal preference.

A live webcam on the moon?  That would be fine.  I don&#039;t care if its live coming from the moon, Mars, a satellite or the space station.  I don&#039;t even care what it is pointed at, empty space, the moon, Mars or even earth.  Just anything live and uncensored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin&#8230;.I think football is boring but its my personnal preference.</p>
<p>A live webcam on the moon?  That would be fine.  I don&#8217;t care if its live coming from the moon, Mars, a satellite or the space station.  I don&#8217;t even care what it is pointed at, empty space, the moon, Mars or even earth.  Just anything live and uncensored.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Blaise</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/17/hoagland-lose/comment-page-2/#comment-59882</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Blaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well no, I can&#039;t say that metsat images are &quot;garbage&quot;, not at all. What is it that you crave? A live feed from the surface of the moon, perhaps? Pretty boring....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well no, I can&#8217;t say that metsat images are &#8220;garbage&#8221;, not at all. What is it that you crave? A live feed from the surface of the moon, perhaps? Pretty boring&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rota</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin Blaise thats all well and good but I don&#039;t consder that live.  Do you actually think in 2008 that something like those links is the best they can do?  If it is then the trillions they spend on that stuff has been totaly wasted.  Admit it, that crap is nothing more than spoon feeding us garbage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin Blaise thats all well and good but I don&#8217;t consder that live.  Do you actually think in 2008 that something like those links is the best they can do?  If it is then the trillions they spend on that stuff has been totaly wasted.  Admit it, that crap is nothing more than spoon feeding us garbage.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Blaise</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/17/hoagland-lose/comment-page-2/#comment-59881</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Blaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both these metsat pics are &quot;live&quot;, but discontinuous. Meaning that you&#039;ll see a live pic only if you display the frame at the same moment that it&#039;s rendered. I&#039;m not sure what the refresh interval is but that&#039;d be a piece of cake to find out.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/satpics/latest_IR.html

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/satellite/?wfo=sgx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both these metsat pics are &#8220;live&#8221;, but discontinuous. Meaning that you&#8217;ll see a live pic only if you display the frame at the same moment that it&#8217;s rendered. I&#8217;m not sure what the refresh interval is but that&#8217;d be a piece of cake to find out.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/satpics/latest_IR.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/satpics/latest_IR.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/satellite/?wfo=sgx" rel="nofollow">http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/satellite/?wfo=sgx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rota</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/17/hoagland-lose/comment-page-2/#comment-59880</link>
		<dc:creator>Rota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote: # blf
&quot;In any case, the idea that “Every piece of information from space is held back and not released until it has been looked at and censored” is ludicrious. That’s a fantasy; a claim so extraordinary it’s not believable.
What evidence is there such a thing happens? (Excluding spy and commerical satellites, of course.)&quot;

I suppose you can provide me with a link to go to, that has some live streaming video from space then. It soesn&#039;t matter to me if it is a camera looking at earth or out into space.   I&#039;d be glad to come back and stand corrected if you would do that.  I have had no luck in my search but maybe I just don&#039;t know where to look.  I look forwad to admitting I&#039;m wrong as I would love to see some live shots from space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote: # blf<br />
&#8220;In any case, the idea that “Every piece of information from space is held back and not released until it has been looked at and censored” is ludicrious. That’s a fantasy; a claim so extraordinary it’s not believable.<br />
What evidence is there such a thing happens? (Excluding spy and commerical satellites, of course.)&#8221;</p>
<p>I suppose you can provide me with a link to go to, that has some live streaming video from space then. It soesn&#8217;t matter to me if it is a camera looking at earth or out into space.   I&#8217;d be glad to come back and stand corrected if you would do that.  I have had no luck in my search but maybe I just don&#8217;t know where to look.  I look forwad to admitting I&#8217;m wrong as I would love to see some live shots from space.</p>
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		<title>By: blf</title>
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		<dc:creator>blf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;em&gt;Voyager&lt;/em&gt; flybys of Jupiter and Saturn were shown live on &quot;The NASA Channel&quot; (or something like that, can&#039;t quite recall the name now).  I know they were because I spent many hours watching them.

In any case, the idea that &quot;Every piece of information from space is held back and not released until it has been looked at and censored&quot; is ludicrious.  That&#039;s a fantasy; a claim so extraordinary it&#039;s not believable.  What evidence is there such a thing happens?  (Excluding spy and commerical satellites, of course.)

And as far as saving money et al., stop slaughtering people in Iraq and Afghanistan.  That&#039;ll help considerably more lives and save vastly more funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <em>Voyager</em> flybys of Jupiter and Saturn were shown live on &#8220;The NASA Channel&#8221; (or something like that, can&#8217;t quite recall the name now).  I know they were because I spent many hours watching them.</p>
<p>In any case, the idea that &#8220;Every piece of information from space is held back and not released until it has been looked at and censored&#8221; is ludicrious.  That&#8217;s a fantasy; a claim so extraordinary it&#8217;s not believable.  What evidence is there such a thing happens?  (Excluding spy and commerical satellites, of course.)</p>
<p>And as far as saving money et al., stop slaughtering people in Iraq and Afghanistan.  That&#8217;ll help considerably more lives and save vastly more funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Blaise</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/17/hoagland-lose/comment-page-2/#comment-59878</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Blaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every bit of lunar exploration in Apollo days was shown live -- audio only, at times when video wasn&#039;t available. Nothing to hide there -- notwithstanding Hoagland&#039;s ludicrous fantasy that either Cernan or Schmitt descended a steep slope into Shorty crater and retrieved a large rock that is actually a robot head, then somehow climbed back out, with nothing to hold such a large object except two hands.

Poor Richard. He simply.doesn&#039;t.think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every bit of lunar exploration in Apollo days was shown live &#8212; audio only, at times when video wasn&#8217;t available. Nothing to hide there &#8212; notwithstanding Hoagland&#8217;s ludicrous fantasy that either Cernan or Schmitt descended a steep slope into Shorty crater and retrieved a large rock that is actually a robot head, then somehow climbed back out, with nothing to hold such a large object except two hands.</p>
<p>Poor Richard. He simply.doesn&#8217;t.think.</p>
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		<title>By: Rota</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 09:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;curiosity. exploration. science.&quot;

Maybe there was a time you could sell that to a public who made a decent living.  Now with people being thrown out on the streets I bet spending billions on &quot;curiosity&quot;, &quot;exploration&quot; and &quot;science&quot; is not going to sell very good unless you can come up with something better than that.  But then that would mean sharing what they already came up with and are hiding from us.

Of course you will say nothing is being hid from us but answer me this.  We have hundreds if not thousands of satielites in orbit with cameras.  Why have they never put one live streaming feed on the internet?  How about a live feed from the hubble telescope?  Every piece of information from space is held back and not released until it has been looked at and censored.  You can spin it any way you like but until we have a live feed then we will never know if we are being fed garbage.  Do you see any problems with allowing a live feed from space?



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;curiosity. exploration. science.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe there was a time you could sell that to a public who made a decent living.  Now with people being thrown out on the streets I bet spending billions on &#8220;curiosity&#8221;, &#8220;exploration&#8221; and &#8220;science&#8221; is not going to sell very good unless you can come up with something better than that.  But then that would mean sharing what they already came up with and are hiding from us.</p>
<p>Of course you will say nothing is being hid from us but answer me this.  We have hundreds if not thousands of satielites in orbit with cameras.  Why have they never put one live streaming feed on the internet?  How about a live feed from the hubble telescope?  Every piece of information from space is held back and not released until it has been looked at and censored.  You can spin it any way you like but until we have a live feed then we will never know if we are being fed garbage.  Do you see any problems with allowing a live feed from space?</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: blf</title>
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		<dc:creator>blf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 06:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if there are nothing but rocks up there then what the hell are we doing up there?&quot;

curiosity.  exploration.  science.

&quot;we can’t even believe anything we see on the images that we spent tons of money on.&quot;

huh?  i rather suspect most readers of phil&#039;s blog recognise a rock.

&quot;Of course it has been proven that NASA has been tampering with the images that they release to public.&quot;

where is this proof?  in hoagload&#039;s kilometres-high and -wide invisible glass whatevers?

&quot;So there is no question they are trying to hide something.&quot;

batboy?

&quot;please explain just what it is you think we should be looking for up there on Mars? Rocks?&quot;

got it in one.  rocks are fine.  water would be nice too.  dust is ok.  I would like to see some samples returned.  and boreholes drilled.  and more samples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if there are nothing but rocks up there then what the hell are we doing up there?&#8221;</p>
<p>curiosity.  exploration.  science.</p>
<p>&#8220;we can’t even believe anything we see on the images that we spent tons of money on.&#8221;</p>
<p>huh?  i rather suspect most readers of phil&#8217;s blog recognise a rock.</p>
<p>&#8220;Of course it has been proven that NASA has been tampering with the images that they release to public.&#8221;</p>
<p>where is this proof?  in hoagload&#8217;s kilometres-high and -wide invisible glass whatevers?</p>
<p>&#8220;So there is no question they are trying to hide something.&#8221;</p>
<p>batboy?</p>
<p>&#8220;please explain just what it is you think we should be looking for up there on Mars? Rocks?&#8221;</p>
<p>got it in one.  rocks are fine.  water would be nice too.  dust is ok.  I would like to see some samples returned.  and boreholes drilled.  and more samples.</p>
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		<title>By: Rota</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Centipede, if there are nothing but rocks up there then what the hell are we doing up there?  You have made the perfect argument as to why we should just de-fund all space projects and spend the money on the many pressing matters down here on earth.

Listening to you, we can&#039;t even believe anything we see on the images that we spent tons of money on.  So why did we waste all that money taking blurred inferior pictures of rocks?  Hell, how can we even be sure they are rocks by your reasoning?  Actually if we listen to you we can&#039;t believe anything in those images.   By your reasoning the whole Mars misson has been a total waste of time, effort and money becayse as you yourself admitted we can find similar rocks anywhere on this planet.  No need to go to Mars to see them.

Of course it has been proven that NASA has been tampering with the images that they release to public.  Many people have proven that.  Even a peon like myself can put one of those red images in an image program and tell it to show the real colors and a whole new image emerges.

So there is no question they are trying to hide something.  What is it you think they are trying to keep from us?  It has to be something besides plain ordinary rocks.

Where do you stand on this issue?  Do you advocate that we stop all space funding?  If not then please explain just what it is you think we should be looking for up there on Mars?  Rocks?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Centipede, if there are nothing but rocks up there then what the hell are we doing up there?  You have made the perfect argument as to why we should just de-fund all space projects and spend the money on the many pressing matters down here on earth.</p>
<p>Listening to you, we can&#8217;t even believe anything we see on the images that we spent tons of money on.  So why did we waste all that money taking blurred inferior pictures of rocks?  Hell, how can we even be sure they are rocks by your reasoning?  Actually if we listen to you we can&#8217;t believe anything in those images.   By your reasoning the whole Mars misson has been a total waste of time, effort and money becayse as you yourself admitted we can find similar rocks anywhere on this planet.  No need to go to Mars to see them.</p>
<p>Of course it has been proven that NASA has been tampering with the images that they release to public.  Many people have proven that.  Even a peon like myself can put one of those red images in an image program and tell it to show the real colors and a whole new image emerges.</p>
<p>So there is no question they are trying to hide something.  What is it you think they are trying to keep from us?  It has to be something besides plain ordinary rocks.</p>
<p>Where do you stand on this issue?  Do you advocate that we stop all space funding?  If not then please explain just what it is you think we should be looking for up there on Mars?  Rocks?</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: The Centipede</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/17/hoagland-lose/comment-page-2/#comment-59874</link>
		<dc:creator>The Centipede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 02:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Actually not all the images at my site are rocks. You seemed to ignore this object.

Blown up to the point where pixelation is becoming dominant.  If I had to bet my life, it would be a rock sticking partway out of the soil.

&gt; And possibly this thing.

The foreground object looks like plenty of broken sedimentary rocks I&#039;ve seen here on Earth.  The thing in the background looks like plenty of squarish rocks I&#039;ve seen here on Earth.  I see no evidence of intelligent design (phrasing intentional) in either.

&gt; But I am curious how you explain away this? Do you actually think wind could have made this face?

What face?  I see a broken slab-like rock, like limestone or something.  If you go down to the deserts in the Southwestern USA you can see a lot of things like that.  Given that I grew up around them, I&#039;m pretty good at saying &quot;yup, that there&#039;s a rock.&quot;

&gt; Mystery Space Machines Overhead - Part 2

Doctor Plait would be better at commenting at me, but this guy is mistaking the ventral &lt;i&gt;navigation light&lt;/i&gt; on helicopters for a &lt;i&gt;camera flash&lt;/i&gt;, of all things, so I don&#039;t think his grasp on science is too keen.  Camera flashes are for illuminating whatever&#039;s getting its photograph taken, and I know for a fact aeronautical cameras don&#039;t use flashbulbs because the targets are simply too damn far away for them to be any sort of useful.

Still, don&#039;t shoot the messenger.  No, I don&#039;t know what those objects are.  Immediately blaming the government or the New World Order or space aliens is a matter of pure conjecture.  If you can give patterns of their movement so professional astronomers can analyze them with better tools, then that may help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Actually not all the images at my site are rocks. You seemed to ignore this object.</p>
<p>Blown up to the point where pixelation is becoming dominant.  If I had to bet my life, it would be a rock sticking partway out of the soil.</p>
<p>&gt; And possibly this thing.</p>
<p>The foreground object looks like plenty of broken sedimentary rocks I&#8217;ve seen here on Earth.  The thing in the background looks like plenty of squarish rocks I&#8217;ve seen here on Earth.  I see no evidence of intelligent design (phrasing intentional) in either.</p>
<p>&gt; But I am curious how you explain away this? Do you actually think wind could have made this face?</p>
<p>What face?  I see a broken slab-like rock, like limestone or something.  If you go down to the deserts in the Southwestern USA you can see a lot of things like that.  Given that I grew up around them, I&#8217;m pretty good at saying &#8220;yup, that there&#8217;s a rock.&#8221;</p>
<p>&gt; Mystery Space Machines Overhead &#8211; Part 2</p>
<p>Doctor Plait would be better at commenting at me, but this guy is mistaking the ventral <i>navigation light</i> on helicopters for a <i>camera flash</i>, of all things, so I don&#8217;t think his grasp on science is too keen.  Camera flashes are for illuminating whatever&#8217;s getting its photograph taken, and I know for a fact aeronautical cameras don&#8217;t use flashbulbs because the targets are simply too damn far away for them to be any sort of useful.</p>
<p>Still, don&#8217;t shoot the messenger.  No, I don&#8217;t know what those objects are.  Immediately blaming the government or the New World Order or space aliens is a matter of pure conjecture.  If you can give patterns of their movement so professional astronomers can analyze them with better tools, then that may help.</p>
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		<title>By: Twas Brillig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/17/hoagland-lose/comment-page-2/#comment-59873</link>
		<dc:creator>Twas Brillig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, let&#039;s just say for the argument, Hoagland is a complete fraud.  Fine.  But someone please explain to me after reading the following article that the government, NAYSAY and other powers that be, have nothing to hide.

Mystery Space Machines Overhead - Part 2
http://www.rense.com/general79/wdx2.htm

&quot;It contradicts what you’ll hear told to you by your rulers and the propaganda media they control, and I know that makes you uncomfortable.  So uncomfortable, in fact, that many of you are unable to face the true monstrosity of the reality of your rulers and your only recourse is to retreat back to what makes you the most comfortable, the cozy lies spun around you by those who couldn’t care less if you live or die.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, let&#8217;s just say for the argument, Hoagland is a complete fraud.  Fine.  But someone please explain to me after reading the following article that the government, NAYSAY and other powers that be, have nothing to hide.</p>
<p>Mystery Space Machines Overhead &#8211; Part 2<br />
<a href="http://www.rense.com/general79/wdx2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.rense.com/general79/wdx2.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;It contradicts what you’ll hear told to you by your rulers and the propaganda media they control, and I know that makes you uncomfortable.  So uncomfortable, in fact, that many of you are unable to face the true monstrosity of the reality of your rulers and your only recourse is to retreat back to what makes you the most comfortable, the cozy lies spun around you by those who couldn’t care less if you live or die.&#8221;</p>
<p>Keep blithering away.</p>
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		<title>By: Rota</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I banned from commenting now?  This sucks, i feel I was just bonding with my new found debunker friends.</description>
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		<title>By: Rota</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/17/hoagland-lose/comment-page-2/#comment-59871</link>
		<dc:creator>Rota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually not everything at my blog are rocks.  Like this image

http://bp1.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/Rp7JkNaB0oI/AAAAAAAAAp0/bhdNKzUYsrM/s1600-h/cumalog.bmp

And this one

http://bp1.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/RvNdvdMD1zI/AAAAAAAAAw8/qaF2wxWsllM/s1600-h/slute1.jpg

I am curious how you would think wind mad this face

http://bp2.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/RvN1-tMD2CI/AAAAAAAAAy0/L66J-ExrBOI/s1600-h/spirit1082P135963098EFF3300P2395L5M1_L2L5L5L7L7.jpg


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually not everything at my blog are rocks.  Like this image</p>
<p><a href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/Rp7JkNaB0oI/AAAAAAAAAp0/bhdNKzUYsrM/s1600-h/cumalog.bmp" rel="nofollow">http://bp1.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/Rp7JkNaB0oI/AAAAAAAAAp0/bhdNKzUYsrM/s1600-h/cumalog.bmp</a></p>
<p>And this one</p>
<p><a href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/RvNdvdMD1zI/AAAAAAAAAw8/qaF2wxWsllM/s1600-h/slute1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://bp1.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/RvNdvdMD1zI/AAAAAAAAAw8/qaF2wxWsllM/s1600-h/slute1.jpg</a></p>
<p>I am curious how you would think wind mad this face</p>
<p><a href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/RvN1-tMD2CI/AAAAAAAAAy0/L66J-ExrBOI/s1600-h/spirit1082P135963098EFF3300P2395L5M1_L2L5L5L7L7.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://bp2.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/RvN1-tMD2CI/AAAAAAAAAy0/L66J-ExrBOI/s1600-h/spirit1082P135963098EFF3300P2395L5M1_L2L5L5L7L7.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rota</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/17/hoagland-lose/comment-page-2/#comment-59870</link>
		<dc:creator>Rota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually not all the images at my site are rocks.  You seemed to ignore this object.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/Rp7JkNaB0oI/AAAAAAAAAp0/bhdNKzUYsrM/s1600-h/cumalog.bmp

And possibly this thing.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/RvNdvdMD1zI/AAAAAAAAAw8/qaF2wxWsllM/s1600-h/slute1.jpg

But I am curious how you explain away this?  Do you actually think wind could have made this face?

http://bp2.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/RvN1-tMD2CI/AAAAAAAAAy0/L66J-ExrBOI/s1600-h/spirit1082P135963098EFF3300P2395L5M1_L2L5L5L7L7.jpg


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually not all the images at my site are rocks.  You seemed to ignore this object.</p>
<p><a href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/Rp7JkNaB0oI/AAAAAAAAAp0/bhdNKzUYsrM/s1600-h/cumalog.bmp" rel="nofollow">http://bp1.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/Rp7JkNaB0oI/AAAAAAAAAp0/bhdNKzUYsrM/s1600-h/cumalog.bmp</a></p>
<p>And possibly this thing.</p>
<p><a href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/RvNdvdMD1zI/AAAAAAAAAw8/qaF2wxWsllM/s1600-h/slute1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://bp1.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/RvNdvdMD1zI/AAAAAAAAAw8/qaF2wxWsllM/s1600-h/slute1.jpg</a></p>
<p>But I am curious how you explain away this?  Do you actually think wind could have made this face?</p>
<p><a href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/RvN1-tMD2CI/AAAAAAAAAy0/L66J-ExrBOI/s1600-h/spirit1082P135963098EFF3300P2395L5M1_L2L5L5L7L7.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://bp2.blogger.com/_IVMi-nfjoc0/RvN1-tMD2CI/AAAAAAAAAy0/L66J-ExrBOI/s1600-h/spirit1082P135963098EFF3300P2395L5M1_L2L5L5L7L7.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Centipede</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/17/hoagland-lose/comment-page-2/#comment-59869</link>
		<dc:creator>The Centipede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overall, you have a very nice collection of rock pictures but that&#039;s all they are.  Pictures of rocks.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overall, you have a very nice collection of rock pictures but that&#8217;s all they are.  Pictures of rocks.</p>
<p>Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: The Centipede</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/12/17/hoagland-lose/comment-page-2/#comment-59868</link>
		<dc:creator>The Centipede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Well I agree that the monument appears small but then you are assuming that these martians were average sized people. Who is to say they were not midgets? LOL

I think you missed the part where I said it looked like broken rocks and not a monument at all.  Plus, there&#039;s no reason for theoretical Oompa-Loompa Martians to be worshipping Poseidon, of all people.

&gt; “Wind Polished rocks”? So you are saying that Mars has more of an athmosphere than has been admiited to? I mean if the wind can polish rocks then that is one heck of an athmoshere.

1) Mars&#039; atmosphere is not tenuous.  It is much thinner than Earth&#039;s, but it is not non-negligible.
2) What else do you think is the medium for those hemisphere-covering sandstorms?
3) For that matter, low density high-velocity sandstorms would be perfect for polishing.  Reference sandblasting.

&gt; Hummmm……..I never said anything about an “entrance” related to that image.

You posted something about an entrance under it.  In all fairness, your blog is not exactly the most ordered nor best explained collection of pictures in the known universe.  A lot of times I had to guess what you were talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Well I agree that the monument appears small but then you are assuming that these martians were average sized people. Who is to say they were not midgets? LOL</p>
<p>I think you missed the part where I said it looked like broken rocks and not a monument at all.  Plus, there&#8217;s no reason for theoretical Oompa-Loompa Martians to be worshipping Poseidon, of all people.</p>
<p>&gt; “Wind Polished rocks”? So you are saying that Mars has more of an athmosphere than has been admiited to? I mean if the wind can polish rocks then that is one heck of an athmoshere.</p>
<p>1) Mars&#8217; atmosphere is not tenuous.  It is much thinner than Earth&#8217;s, but it is not non-negligible.<br />
2) What else do you think is the medium for those hemisphere-covering sandstorms?<br />
3) For that matter, low density high-velocity sandstorms would be perfect for polishing.  Reference sandblasting.</p>
<p>&gt; Hummmm……..I never said anything about an “entrance” related to that image.</p>
<p>You posted something about an entrance under it.  In all fairness, your blog is not exactly the most ordered nor best explained collection of pictures in the known universe.  A lot of times I had to guess what you were talking about.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Rota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># The Centipedeon 21 Dec 2007 at 8:32 am
…and gyre and gimble in the wabe.

&quot;Okay, Rota, I’m looking at your blog (and the others, correct me if I’m wrong) and I’m seeing… rocks.

For example, the Poseidon Monument is well, ah, really really small compared to the rover and, despite peering as hard as I can, I don’t see anything other than some broken and wind-polished rocks&quot;.

Well I agree that the monument appears small but then you are assuming that these martians were average sized people.  Who is to say they were not midgets?  LOL

&quot;Wind Polished rocks&quot;?  So you are saying that Mars has more of an athmosphere than has been admiited to?  I mean if the wind can polish rocks then that is one heck of an athmoshere.

&quot;The Centipedeon 21 Dec 2007 at 8:32 am
The second series of pictures shows what appears to me to be a large rocky outcropping with no sense of scale. I see no evidence of a cavern entrance&quot;.

Hummmm........I never said anything about an &quot;entrance&quot; related to that image.  At my blog all I did was post the image with absolutly no comment about it.  You brought up an &quot;Entrance&quot; without me hinting at anything of the sort.  What is it you think you don&#039;t see?  An Entrance?  Yeah I think you are right....I don&#039;t see that clearly defined entrance either....LOL


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># The Centipedeon 21 Dec 2007 at 8:32 am<br />
…and gyre and gimble in the wabe.</p>
<p>&#8220;Okay, Rota, I’m looking at your blog (and the others, correct me if I’m wrong) and I’m seeing… rocks.</p>
<p>For example, the Poseidon Monument is well, ah, really really small compared to the rover and, despite peering as hard as I can, I don’t see anything other than some broken and wind-polished rocks&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well I agree that the monument appears small but then you are assuming that these martians were average sized people.  Who is to say they were not midgets?  LOL</p>
<p>&#8220;Wind Polished rocks&#8221;?  So you are saying that Mars has more of an athmosphere than has been admiited to?  I mean if the wind can polish rocks then that is one heck of an athmoshere.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Centipedeon 21 Dec 2007 at 8:32 am<br />
The second series of pictures shows what appears to me to be a large rocky outcropping with no sense of scale. I see no evidence of a cavern entrance&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hummmm&#8230;&#8230;..I never said anything about an &#8220;entrance&#8221; related to that image.  At my blog all I did was post the image with absolutly no comment about it.  You brought up an &#8220;Entrance&#8221; without me hinting at anything of the sort.  What is it you think you don&#8217;t see?  An Entrance?  Yeah I think you are right&#8230;.I don&#8217;t see that clearly defined entrance either&#8230;.LOL</p>
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		<dc:creator>The Centipede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*checks Twas Brillig&#039;s link*

Alex Jones.

No New World Order Conspiracy Theory Too Inane To Print!

*sigh*

Okay, I&#039;m going to go get my bucket of hush-money from the Freemasons now.  And I don&#039;t even have my smock yet! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*checks Twas Brillig&#8217;s link*</p>
<p>Alex Jones.</p>
<p>No New World Order Conspiracy Theory Too Inane To Print!</p>
<p>*sigh*</p>
<p>Okay, I&#8217;m going to go get my bucket of hush-money from the Freemasons now.  And I don&#8217;t even have my smock yet! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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