…excerpts from the book of Matthew; “I praise you, Father…you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children…”
“…the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
He called a little child and had him stand among them. And He said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. …Take my yoke upon you…learn from me…I am gentle and humble in heart…you will find rest for your souls…my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

“Here is my servant (Jesus) whom I have chosen, the one I love, …; I will put my Spirit on Him, …He will proclaim justice to the nations. He will not quarrel or cry out; no one will hear His voice in the streets.
A bruised reed He will not break, and a smoldering wick He will not snuff out, till He leads justice to victory.
In His name the nations will put their hope.”

All this has come to pass and still yet more is on it’s way.
Read the book for yourself before judging, cross ref. the prophecies, …or not. Freewill is a very cool thing? Cheers

God bless ye, merry atheists, may nothing you dismay!
Remember, there’s no evidence there was a Christmas day!
When Christ was born remains unknown no matter what men say,
Oh, tidings of reason and fact, reason and fact,
Oh, tidings of reason and fact.

There was no star of Bethlehem, there was no angel song,
There could have been no wise men, for the journey was too long,
The stories in the Bible are historically wrong,
Oh, tidings of reason and fact, reason and fact,
Oh, tidings of reason and fact.

We know our Christmas custom comes from Persia and from Greece,
From solstice celebrations of the ancient middle east,
In fact our so-called holiday is but a pagan feast,
Oh, tidings of reason and fact, reason and fact,
Oh, tidings of reason and fact.

I’d like to claim credit for this, but I got it from a song sheet at a Unitarian church in Charlotte NC in 1977.

[[I notice that you quote figures from Antonov-Ovseyenko (1982).
However, Antonov-Ovseyenko died in
1939 ( in fact, executec by Stalin).
He was hardly unbiased, as he was a political enemy (a Trotsky supporter).]]

I meant that guy’s son. Yes, the Old Bolshevik Antonov-Ovseyenko was eliminated by Stalin (along with most of the other Old Bolsheviks).

Penny,

While estimates range from a low ten million to a high of one hundred twelve million (which I personally find doubtful) as a pre-Columbian Exchange population, it is believed that the vast majority lived in South America. In any case, most of the diseases were probably accidental, seeing as how smallpox had, up until that point, been a strictly Eurasian affair. Also, an oft-downplayed fact is that smallpox often went ahead of the Europeans, devastating indigenous populations before the Euros had contact with them (according to David Cook), and it is also asserted by Cook that there is no evidence of any intentional smallpox spreading by the Spanish, although it was seriously discussed by the British at Fort Pitt, during Pontiac’s Rebellion. (And, yes, I am familiar with Loewen. I have Lies Across America at home.) Also, historians like Las Casas (who described massacres) were writing for reform, and Las Casas was turned from support for the Spanish conquest because he believed it would lead to the collapse of Spain through Divine retribution; his views led to (read this) Native-protecting laws.

Of course, there was widespread killing of and discrimination and violence against Native Americans, and this is inexcusable.

When Barton said “nobody but Christians spoke Latin back then,” I think he was being sarcastic. When a large number of the historians wrote their texts (Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius, etc.), the Roman Empire had not yet disbanded.

http://www.marxists.org/glossary/people/a/n.htm

Maybe, you mean a different Antonov-Ovseyenko ?

Off the thread, as I have to do some work this week. It was fun.

Of course, the Moslem physicist you mention–who gave them the H-bomb
was also religious. Intelligence can be easily overwhelmed by religion.

The idea that greater intelligence tends to divorce a person from evil is one that I get from two sources:
My own experiences with very bright people.
Science Fiction and Futurist essays in my childhood.

Probably, the latter’s overvaluation of the moral value of intelligence stems from the Satanic Roots of Science Fiction. But, that is a conjecture.

Lastly:
You apoligized with:
//
From your posts I had you pegged as a teenager, but for all I know you could be an adult. Sorry about that.//

I COULD BE AN ADULT—what a backhanded and patronizing insult.
You have a facile tongue. Too bad that your “god given gift” of a silver tongued eloquence has been
serving the deviltry and decit of religous
rant.

For all I know, you are in elementary school.

Anyway, it was fun. I enjoyed fencing with you. What are the titles of your Science Fiction books or stories? I guess I could look it all up
on Amazon, but, hey, I am friends with the author.

Can you give us some summaries of them?

I have been reading a very intersting book about the links between the practice of Black Magic and Science Fiction. Such people as Jules Verne got their inspirations
from Occult Brotherhood ideas ( such as Power X, and the Hollow Earth ). H.G. Wells
as well, with direct quotes of Satanic ritual
in ” The Island of Dr. Moreau”. Of course,
L.Ron Hubbard and Aleister Crowley, and
there are many more examples.

It is no wonder that many of the ideas of Science Fiction were poison–polluted by Christianity and its variant: Satanism.