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	<title>Comments on: MESSENGER at Mercury: HAWESOME</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: joe nahhas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/15/messenger-at-mercury-hawesome/comment-page-2/#comment-151438</link>
		<dc:creator>joe nahhas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kepler (demolish) Vs Einstein&#039;s 

Areal velocity is constant: r² θ&#039; =h         Kepler&#039;s Law
 h = 2π a b/T; b=a√ (1-ε²); a = mean distance value; ε = eccentricity
r² θ&#039;= h = S² w&#039;
Replace r with S = r exp (ỉ wt); h = [r² Exp (2iwt)] w&#039;
w&#039; = (h/r²) exp [-2(i wt)] 
w&#039;= (h/r²) [cosine 2(wt) - ỉ sine 2(wt)] = (h/r²) [1- 2sine² (wt) - ỉ sin 2(wt)] 
w&#039; =  w&#039;(x) + ỉ w&#039;(y) ;  w&#039;(x) = (h/r²) [ 1- 2sine² (wt)]  
 w&#039;(x) – (h/r²) = - 2(h/r²)sine²(wt) = - 2(h/r²)(v/c)²  v/c=sine wt
(h/ r²)(Perihelion/Periastron)= [2πa.a√ (1-ε²)]/Ta² (1-ε) ²= [2π√ (1-ε²)]/T (1-ε) ²

 Δ w&#039; = (d w/d t – h/r²] = -4π {[√ (1-ε²)]/T (1-ε) ²} (v/c) ² radian per second
Δ w&#039; = (- 4π /T) {[√ (1-ε²)]/ (1-ε) ²} (v/c) ² radians 
Δ w&#039; = (-720/T) {[√ (1-ε²)]/ (1-ε) ²} (v/c) ² degrees; Multiplication by 180/π 
Δ w&#039; = (-720x36526/T) {[√ (1-ε²)]/(1-ε)²} (v/c)² degrees/100 years  
Δ w” = (-720x3600/T) {[√ (1-ε²)]/ (1-ε) ²} (v/c) ² seconds of arc by 3600

Δ w&quot; = (-720x36526x3600/T) {[√ (1-ε²]/(1-ε)²} (v/c)² seconds of arc per century
This Kepler&#039;s Equation solves all the problems Einstein and all physicists could not solve

The circumference of an ellipse: 2πa (1 - ε²/4 + 3/16(ε²)²- --.) ≈ 2πa (1-ε²/4); R =a (1-ε²/4) v=√ [G m M / (m + M) a (1-ε²/4)] ≈ √ [GM/a (1-ε²/4)]; m&lt;&lt;M; Solar system    
 Advance of Perihelion of mercury.

G=6.673x10^-11; M=2x10^30kg; m=.32x10^24kg
 ε = 0.206; T=88days; c = 299792.458 km/sec; a = 58.2km/sec
Calculations yields:
 v =48.14km/sec; [√ (1- ε²)] (1-ε) ² = 1.552 
Δ w”= (-720x36526x3600/88) x (1.552) (48.14/299792)²=43.0”/century

Conclusions: The 43&quot; seconds of arc of advance of perihelion of Planet Mercury (General relativity) is given by Kepler&#039;s equation better than all of Published papers of Einstein. Kepler&#039;s Equation can solve Einstein&#039;s nemesis DI Her Binary stars motion and all the other dozens of stars motions posted for past 40 years on NASA website SAO/NASA as unsolved by any physics 

Anyone dare to prove me wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kepler (demolish) Vs Einstein&#8217;s </p>
<p>Areal velocity is constant: r² θ&#8217; =h         Kepler&#8217;s Law<br />
 h = 2π a b/T; b=a√ (1-ε²); a = mean distance value; ε = eccentricity<br />
r² θ&#8217;= h = S² w&#8217;<br />
Replace r with S = r exp (ỉ wt); h = [r² Exp (2iwt)] w&#8217;<br />
w&#8217; = (h/r²) exp [-2(i wt)]<br />
w&#8217;= (h/r²) [cosine 2(wt) - ỉ sine 2(wt)] = (h/r²) [1- 2sine² (wt) - ỉ sin 2(wt)]<br />
w&#8217; =  w&#8217;(x) + ỉ w&#8217;(y) ;  w&#8217;(x) = (h/r²) [ 1- 2sine² (wt)]<br />
 w&#8217;(x) – (h/r²) = &#8211; 2(h/r²)sine²(wt) = &#8211; 2(h/r²)(v/c)²  v/c=sine wt<br />
(h/ r²)(Perihelion/Periastron)= [2πa.a√ (1-ε²)]/Ta² (1-ε) ²= [2π√ (1-ε²)]/T (1-ε) ²</p>
<p> Δ w&#8217; = (d w/d t – h/r²] = -4π {[√ (1-ε²)]/T (1-ε) ²} (v/c) ² radian per second<br />
Δ w&#8217; = (- 4π /T) {[√ (1-ε²)]/ (1-ε) ²} (v/c) ² radians<br />
Δ w&#8217; = (-720/T) {[√ (1-ε²)]/ (1-ε) ²} (v/c) ² degrees; Multiplication by 180/π<br />
Δ w&#8217; = (-720&#215;36526/T) {[√ (1-ε²)]/(1-ε)²} (v/c)² degrees/100 years<br />
Δ w” = (-720&#215;3600/T) {[√ (1-ε²)]/ (1-ε) ²} (v/c) ² seconds of arc by 3600</p>
<p>Δ w&#8221; = (-720x36526x3600/T) {[√ (1-ε²]/(1-ε)²} (v/c)² seconds of arc per century<br />
This Kepler&#8217;s Equation solves all the problems Einstein and all physicists could not solve</p>
<p>The circumference of an ellipse: 2πa (1 &#8211; ε²/4 + 3/16(ε²)²- &#8211;.) ≈ 2πa (1-ε²/4); R =a (1-ε²/4) v=√ [G m M / (m + M) a (1-ε²/4)] ≈ √ [GM/a (1-ε²/4)]; m<<M; Solar system<br />
 Advance of Perihelion of mercury.</p>
<p>G=6.673&#215;10^-11; M=2&#215;10^30kg; m=.32&#215;10^24kg<br />
 ε = 0.206; T=88days; c = 299792.458 km/sec; a = 58.2km/sec<br />
Calculations yields:<br />
 v =48.14km/sec; [√ (1- ε²)] (1-ε) ² = 1.552<br />
Δ w”= (-720x36526x3600/88) x (1.552) (48.14/299792)²=43.0”/century</p>
<p>Conclusions: The 43&#8243; seconds of arc of advance of perihelion of Planet Mercury (General relativity) is given by Kepler&#8217;s equation better than all of Published papers of Einstein. Kepler&#8217;s Equation can solve Einstein&#8217;s nemesis DI Her Binary stars motion and all the other dozens of stars motions posted for past 40 years on NASA website SAO/NASA as unsolved by any physics </p>
<p>Anyone dare to prove me wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/15/messenger-at-mercury-hawesome/comment-page-2/#comment-123422</link>
		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wondered : 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Update : Tonight MESSENGER is again flying by Mercury for the second time in its October 2008 fly-past. This thread is linked to that and now if youclick my name the link should take you back to the latest Bad Astronomy ‘MESSENGER-flies-by-Mercury’ thread. Providing it works … lets see ..&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

Well I&#039;ve just checked &amp;, yes, the links working so you can click there to come here and click my name here to go back there folks. :-)

Hope that is okay netiqutte-wise. Am trying to make things easier for fellow posters here. Please let me know if this is considered bad form or anything like that - don&#039;t think it is, obviously, but not really too sure ..

Actually thinking netiquette is there a problem with acronymic names like MESEENGER which, being in all-capps, is like SHOUTING in net-ese? :-( Would it be more polite or less (certainly less accurate I &#039;spose) to have MESSENGER written in lower-case ie. Messenger instead? Oh, &amp; then if it is lower case there&#039;s always the risk of confusing the spaceprobes name with the word &#039;messenger&#039; itself .. Hmmm ... 

Tongue-twister potential here :
 
The MESSENGER team&#039;s messenger came with the message that mercury had been discovered on Mercury and also that because saying MESSENGER not messenger sounds like shouting on-line the MESSENGER teams&#039; messenger wanted us to use &#039;messenger&#039; instead of &#039;MESSENGER&#039; - except for when also mentioning the MESSENGER&#039;s teams messenger! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wondered : </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Update : Tonight MESSENGER is again flying by Mercury for the second time in its October 2008 fly-past. This thread is linked to that and now if youclick my name the link should take you back to the latest Bad Astronomy ‘MESSENGER-flies-by-Mercury’ thread. Providing it works … lets see ..&#8221; </i></p>
<p>Well I&#8217;ve just checked &#038;, yes, the links working so you can click there to come here and click my name here to go back there folks. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hope that is okay netiqutte-wise. Am trying to make things easier for fellow posters here. Please let me know if this is considered bad form or anything like that &#8211; don&#8217;t think it is, obviously, but not really too sure ..</p>
<p>Actually thinking netiquette is there a problem with acronymic names like MESEENGER which, being in all-capps, is like SHOUTING in net-ese? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />  Would it be more polite or less (certainly less accurate I &#8216;spose) to have MESSENGER written in lower-case ie. Messenger instead? Oh, &#038; then if it is lower case there&#8217;s always the risk of confusing the spaceprobes name with the word &#8216;messenger&#8217; itself .. Hmmm &#8230; </p>
<p>Tongue-twister potential here :</p>
<p>The MESSENGER team&#8217;s messenger came with the message that mercury had been discovered on Mercury and also that because saying MESSENGER not messenger sounds like shouting on-line the MESSENGER teams&#8217; messenger wanted us to use &#8216;messenger&#8217; instead of &#8216;MESSENGER&#8217; &#8211; except for when also mentioning the MESSENGER&#8217;s teams messenger! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/15/messenger-at-mercury-hawesome/comment-page-2/#comment-123421</link>
		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update : Tonight MESSENGER is again flying by Mercury dfor thesecond time inits October 2008 fly-past. 

This thread is linked to that and now if youclick my name the link should take you back to the latest Bad Astronomy &#039;MESSENGER-flies-by-Mercury&#039; thread. 

Providing it works ... lets see ..

PS. Oh &amp; more good news - Huckabee didn&#039;t make McCain&#039;s Vice-Presidential choice or Republican nomineee and looks like fading away with his 15 minutes of fame  (too long IMHO) well and truly over ... The bad news o&#039;course being that Sara Palin seems like a female Huckabee clone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update : Tonight MESSENGER is again flying by Mercury dfor thesecond time inits October 2008 fly-past. </p>
<p>This thread is linked to that and now if youclick my name the link should take you back to the latest Bad Astronomy &#8216;MESSENGER-flies-by-Mercury&#8217; thread. </p>
<p>Providing it works &#8230; lets see ..</p>
<p>PS. Oh &#038; more good news &#8211; Huckabee didn&#8217;t make McCain&#8217;s Vice-Presidential choice or Republican nomineee and looks like fading away with his 15 minutes of fame  (too long IMHO) well and truly over &#8230; The bad news o&#8217;course being that Sara Palin seems like a female Huckabee clone.</p>
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		<title>By: MESSENGER of the Gods &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/15/messenger-at-mercury-hawesome/comment-page-2/#comment-114038</link>
		<dc:creator>MESSENGER of the Gods &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in a bit of a lull with Mercury right now; the MESSENGER probe passed it a few months ago, and it&#8217;ll be a little while before it makes pass #2. In the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in a bit of a lull with Mercury right now; the MESSENGER probe passed it a few months ago, and it&#8217;ll be a little while before it makes pass #2. In the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Seed's Daily Zeitgeist: 1/17/2008 - General Science</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/15/messenger-at-mercury-hawesome/comment-page-2/#comment-63875</link>
		<dc:creator>Seed's Daily Zeitgeist: 1/17/2008 - General Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MESSENGER at Mercury: HAWESOME See some parts of the planet for the very first time. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] MESSENGER at Mercury: HAWESOME See some parts of the planet for the very first time. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nonner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/15/messenger-at-mercury-hawesome/comment-page-2/#comment-63874</link>
		<dc:creator>nonner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Double cratering is , mentioned by Nygard , is the result of a great bubble collapse and the wave created inside the crater after said collapse of magma and semi-solid layers of this doomed planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Double cratering is , mentioned by Nygard , is the result of a great bubble collapse and the wave created inside the crater after said collapse of magma and semi-solid layers of this doomed planet.</p>
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		<title>By: nonner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/15/messenger-at-mercury-hawesome/comment-page-2/#comment-63873</link>
		<dc:creator>nonner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mercury looks like more proof that thermal events  happned that created enough heat to boil the planet and cause the incredible number of collapsed bubbles we see now .  This of course explains the perfect circular craters with the plops or drops in their centers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mercury looks like more proof that thermal events  happned that created enough heat to boil the planet and cause the incredible number of collapsed bubbles we see now .  This of course explains the perfect circular craters with the plops or drops in their centers.</p>
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		<title>By: BrainWyrms &#8250; Huckabee : For the lose.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/15/messenger-at-mercury-hawesome/comment-page-2/#comment-63872</link>
		<dc:creator>BrainWyrms &#8250; Huckabee : For the lose.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m checking out the nifty photos of Mercury on the Bad Astronomy Blog, when I spot a post about Huckabee. [ Huckabee = very very very bad guy ] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;m checking out the nifty photos of Mercury on the Bad Astronomy Blog, when I spot a post about Huckabee. [ Huckabee = very very very bad guy ] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kingthorin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/15/messenger-at-mercury-hawesome/comment-page-2/#comment-63871</link>
		<dc:creator>kingthorin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks BB, yes I&#039;ll take the Asprin :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks BB, yes I&#8217;ll take the Asprin <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hagerty</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/15/messenger-at-mercury-hawesome/comment-page-2/#comment-63870</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Hagerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American Voyager says: &quot;January 14th must be a special day for “new” worlds. MESSENGER makes its first closest approach to Mercury revealing never before seen parts and three years ago on 1/14/05 we land on Titan. I’m going to have to mark this date as “the” space anniversary. Any more important events happen on this day that I’m not aware of?&quot;

I don&#039;t know of any specifically on the 14th, but we are coming up on &quot;hell week&quot; for NASA. All of the loss-of-life mission accidents in its history have occurred within the seven day stretch at the end of January:

Apollo 1 fire - 27 January 1967
Challenger - 28 January 1986
Columbia - 1 February 2003

This does not include deaths in training accidents, etc.

- Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American Voyager says: &#8220;January 14th must be a special day for “new” worlds. MESSENGER makes its first closest approach to Mercury revealing never before seen parts and three years ago on 1/14/05 we land on Titan. I’m going to have to mark this date as “the” space anniversary. Any more important events happen on this day that I’m not aware of?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know of any specifically on the 14th, but we are coming up on &#8220;hell week&#8221; for NASA. All of the loss-of-life mission accidents in its history have occurred within the seven day stretch at the end of January:</p>
<p>Apollo 1 fire &#8211; 27 January 1967<br />
Challenger &#8211; 28 January 1986<br />
Columbia &#8211; 1 February 2003</p>
<p>This does not include deaths in training accidents, etc.</p>
<p>- Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Darth Robo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darth Robo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Martin, muchas gracias!  :)

That tiny crater you pointed out, I would hazard a guess that it would have been made by something fairly brittle and of low mass?  As opposed to a heavier object whose ejecta wouldn&#039;t travel as far and may appear more uniform.  Total guess though, I&#039;m no astronomer, just a total amateur.  It is an interesting one, I wouldn&#039;t have spotted it otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Martin, muchas gracias!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That tiny crater you pointed out, I would hazard a guess that it would have been made by something fairly brittle and of low mass?  As opposed to a heavier object whose ejecta wouldn&#8217;t travel as far and may appear more uniform.  Total guess though, I&#8217;m no astronomer, just a total amateur.  It is an interesting one, I wouldn&#8217;t have spotted it otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: it&#8217;s about time&#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-01-16</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/15/messenger-at-mercury-hawesome/comment-page-2/#comment-63868</link>
		<dc:creator>it&#8217;s about time&#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-01-16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bad Astronomy Blog » MESSENGER at Mercury: HAWESOME GODDAMN - this is the highest res image yet returned from the MESSENGER spacecraft of Mercury, taken when it was 27,000 kilometers from the planet (after the encounter). (tags: mercury messenger nasa astronomy) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bad Astronomy Blog » MESSENGER at Mercury: HAWESOME GODDAMN &#8211; this is the highest res image yet returned from the MESSENGER spacecraft of Mercury, taken when it was 27,000 kilometers from the planet (after the encounter). (tags: mercury messenger nasa astronomy) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MaDeR</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaDeR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably not. Too far away from Sun to be a core remnant of hot jupiter.</description>
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		<title>By: Nigel Depledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Depledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good background on Mercury here, guys:
http://www.nineplanets.org/mercury.html

(Hmmm, maybe Bill needs to register &quot;eightplanets.org&quot; to keep up with the IAU...?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good background on Mercury here, guys:<br />
<a href="http://www.nineplanets.org/mercury.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nineplanets.org/mercury.html</a></p>
<p>(Hmmm, maybe Bill needs to register &#8220;eightplanets.org&#8221; to keep up with the IAU&#8230;?)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffersonian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffersonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an educational experience coming here to BA. Knowing (relatively) little about astronomy I don&#039;t have the level of understanding you have, Phil, but yet I can&#039;t get over the fact that I&#039;m sitting here looking at this picture (and while simply sitting in front of a monitor; s&#039;like living in the future).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an educational experience coming here to BA. Knowing (relatively) little about astronomy I don&#8217;t have the level of understanding you have, Phil, but yet I can&#8217;t get over the fact that I&#8217;m sitting here looking at this picture (and while simply sitting in front of a monitor; s&#8217;like living in the future).</p>
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		<title>By: American Voyager</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Voyager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>January 14th must be a special day for &quot;new&quot; worlds.  MESSENGER makes its first closest approach to Mercury revealing never before seen parts and three years ago on 1/14/05 we land on Titan.  I&#039;m going to have to mark this date as &quot;the&quot; space anniversary.  Any more important events happen on this day that I&#039;m not aware of?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>January 14th must be a special day for &#8220;new&#8221; worlds.  MESSENGER makes its first closest approach to Mercury revealing never before seen parts and three years ago on 1/14/05 we land on Titan.  I&#8217;m going to have to mark this date as &#8220;the&#8221; space anniversary.  Any more important events happen on this day that I&#8217;m not aware of?</p>
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		<title>By: rusto</title>
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		<dc:creator>rusto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Non-astronomer astronomy question: it appears that all of the craters were created by impacts from objects that were traveling towards Mercury&#039;s center (or perpendicular to it&#039;s surface)... I would think you&#039;d have many more craters that were oblong due to (in my mind) more  common non-perpendicular trajectories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-astronomer astronomy question: it appears that all of the craters were created by impacts from objects that were traveling towards Mercury&#8217;s center (or perpendicular to it&#8217;s surface)&#8230; I would think you&#8217;d have many more craters that were oblong due to (in my mind) more  common non-perpendicular trajectories.</p>
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		<title>By: Phy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, check out Emily Lakdawalla&#039;s page that Phil links to in the update at the start of his post. She highlights where she thinks most of it is.

On the gas-giant-core-thing, would a naked core not look substantially different than the not-quite-Luna that Mercury presents? Setting aside the issues of the distance at which the atmosphere would be stripped, and the probable mass of the core, I mean. I assume much of the cratering we see on other airless bodies in the solar system was inflicted shortly after the planets coalesced, when potential impactors were more numerous. If Mercury was a giant, wouldn&#039;t its core have escaped much of the cratering, due to potential impactors exploding in the atmosphere, or have seen it erased due to atmospheric erosion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, check out Emily Lakdawalla&#8217;s page that Phil links to in the update at the start of his post. She highlights where she thinks most of it is.</p>
<p>On the gas-giant-core-thing, would a naked core not look substantially different than the not-quite-Luna that Mercury presents? Setting aside the issues of the distance at which the atmosphere would be stripped, and the probable mass of the core, I mean. I assume much of the cratering we see on other airless bodies in the solar system was inflicted shortly after the planets coalesced, when potential impactors were more numerous. If Mercury was a giant, wouldn&#8217;t its core have escaped much of the cratering, due to potential impactors exploding in the atmosphere, or have seen it erased due to atmospheric erosion?</p>
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		<title>By: Astronomy Pictures - Images of moon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astronomy Pictures - Images of moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  MESSENGER at Mercury: HAWESOME  By The Bad Astronomer  And this is just the first close up image! We&#8217;ll be getting more in a few days, and then more again in the next flyby, and then, in 2011, we&#8217;ll get as many images of this tiny, hot, battered, dense and neglected planet as we can handle. &#8230;   Bad Astronomy Blog - http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  MESSENGER at Mercury: HAWESOME  By The Bad Astronomer  And this is just the first close up image! We&rsquo;ll be getting more in a few days, and then more again in the next flyby, and then, in 2011, we&rsquo;ll get as many images of this tiny, hot, battered, dense and neglected planet as we can handle. &#8230;   Bad Astronomy Blog &#8211; <a href="http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog" rel="nofollow">http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Libraryguy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/15/messenger-at-mercury-hawesome/comment-page-1/#comment-63859</link>
		<dc:creator>Libraryguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info, andy.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Amato</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/15/messenger-at-mercury-hawesome/comment-page-1/#comment-63858</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Amato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me Mercury has more bright crater rays than the moon does. I wonder what this means. I have often looked at mercury with telescopes and sent sketches to The ALPO Mercury section. In a good telescope anyone can see The Coloris Basin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me Mercury has more bright crater rays than the moon does. I wonder what this means. I have often looked at mercury with telescopes and sent sketches to The ALPO Mercury section. In a good telescope anyone can see The Coloris Basin.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt J</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/15/messenger-at-mercury-hawesome/comment-page-1/#comment-63862</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, this is because I am either blind or just unobservant, but could somebody draw some lines on the hi-res pic pointing to where this Caloris Basin is supposed to be? I just see a whole bunch of small craters, and my complete lack of astronomical experience doesn&#039;t exactly help things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, this is because I am either blind or just unobservant, but could somebody draw some lines on the hi-res pic pointing to where this Caloris Basin is supposed to be? I just see a whole bunch of small craters, and my complete lack of astronomical experience doesn&#8217;t exactly help things.</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libraryguy: according to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v450/n7171/full/nature06378.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this paper (unfortunately tucked away behind the Nature firewall)&lt;/a&gt;, a Jupiter-like planet&#039;s atmosphere starts evaporating when it gets closer than about 0.16-0.14 AU from a solar type star. So gas giants should survive fine at Mercury orbit (0.38 AU), which means it is unlikely that Mercury is a gas giant core.

(Plus, if core accretion is correct, the minimum size of a gas giant&#039;s core should be somewhere around 6-10 Earth masses, which is a LOT bigger than Mercury)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libraryguy: according to <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v450/n7171/full/nature06378.html" rel="nofollow">this paper (unfortunately tucked away behind the Nature firewall)</a>, a Jupiter-like planet&#8217;s atmosphere starts evaporating when it gets closer than about 0.16-0.14 AU from a solar type star. So gas giants should survive fine at Mercury orbit (0.38 AU), which means it is unlikely that Mercury is a gas giant core.</p>
<p>(Plus, if core accretion is correct, the minimum size of a gas giant&#8217;s core should be somewhere around 6-10 Earth masses, which is a LOT bigger than Mercury)</p>
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		<title>By: Libraryguy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/15/messenger-at-mercury-hawesome/comment-page-1/#comment-63856</link>
		<dc:creator>Libraryguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick Question: could Mercury be the remains of a gas giant?</description>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/15/messenger-at-mercury-hawesome/comment-page-1/#comment-63855</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mercury is literally saturated with craters; a new impact is likely to wipe out more craters than it would form.&quot;

I&#039;m picking at nits here, but from a planetary formation standpoint, how is this possible?  When the planet was young, there were few craters, so the number of craters destroyed by the average impact would have been close to zero.  As the number of craters increased, the number of craters destroyed on average would also increase until it approached the number of craters created on average; at which point the crater system would be in equilibrium, and the total number of craters would be approximately constant.  But your statement implies that the crater system has actually gone past equilibrium, which makes no sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mercury is literally saturated with craters; a new impact is likely to wipe out more craters than it would form.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m picking at nits here, but from a planetary formation standpoint, how is this possible?  When the planet was young, there were few craters, so the number of craters destroyed by the average impact would have been close to zero.  As the number of craters increased, the number of craters destroyed on average would also increase until it approached the number of craters created on average; at which point the crater system would be in equilibrium, and the total number of craters would be approximately constant.  But your statement implies that the crater system has actually gone past equilibrium, which makes no sense.</p>
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