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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another survey made meaningless by including a bias in the sample.  Someone should teach those folks about science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another survey made meaningless by including a bias in the sample.  Someone should teach those folks about science.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, Phil, Phil...

This is the result of a common mistake.  They meant the average *astrologer* makes 96k.

Lots of folks get the two confused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, Phil, Phil&#8230;</p>
<p>This is the result of a common mistake.  They meant the average *astrologer* makes 96k.</p>
<p>Lots of folks get the two confused.</p>
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		<title>By: csrster</title>
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		<dc:creator>csrster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAV - or put another way, the only people who say money isn&#039;t important are those who&#039;ve never had to do without it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAV &#8211; or put another way, the only people who say money isn&#8217;t important are those who&#8217;ve never had to do without it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since there&#039;s a picture of Hubble on this thread, I&#039;ll use it as a lame excuse to tell an amusing Hubble story.

During WW-2 Hubble was approached by the War Department and asked to do his bit. He was offered a job in ballistics research, which he accepted on the spot.

He then went home, cracked open the encyclopedia, and looked up the word &quot;ballistics&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since there&#8217;s a picture of Hubble on this thread, I&#8217;ll use it as a lame excuse to tell an amusing Hubble story.</p>
<p>During WW-2 Hubble was approached by the War Department and asked to do his bit. He was offered a job in ballistics research, which he accepted on the spot.</p>
<p>He then went home, cracked open the encyclopedia, and looked up the word &#8220;ballistics&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DAV</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;there are more important things in life than the money

Maybe so, but money beats whatever comes in first place.

Reminds me of another expression some people like to trot out: &quot;I&#039;m only playing for fun.&quot;  Well, unless deeply into solitaire, or are entertaining kids, most people play to compete. Only playing for fun is what &lt;i&gt;losers&lt;/i&gt; say. Mostly to console themselves but it&#039;s a subtle dig at the winners.

If you&#039;ve got a kids to feed and put through college then you surely recognize the importance of money. I&#039;ve never heard anybody complain about having too much money.  Keep in mind, too, it depends on where you live. I&#039;d hate to live in CA on less than $100K/year. An equivalent salary in Mississippi is likely less because the cost of living is less.

For those who like to say love beats money consider: a major factor in many divorces is lack of money.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>there are more important things in life than the money</p>
<p>Maybe so, but money beats whatever comes in first place.</p>
<p>Reminds me of another expression some people like to trot out: &#8220;I&#8217;m only playing for fun.&#8221;  Well, unless deeply into solitaire, or are entertaining kids, most people play to compete. Only playing for fun is what <i>losers</i> say. Mostly to console themselves but it&#8217;s a subtle dig at the winners.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve got a kids to feed and put through college then you surely recognize the importance of money. I&#8217;ve never heard anybody complain about having too much money.  Keep in mind, too, it depends on where you live. I&#8217;d hate to live in CA on less than $100K/year. An equivalent salary in Mississippi is likely less because the cost of living is less.</p>
<p>For those who like to say love beats money consider: a major factor in many divorces is lack of money.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: zeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You made 9k a year? Wow that must be like a million dollars in 2008 currency!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You made 9k a year? Wow that must be like a million dollars in 2008 currency!</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The numbers are based on about 1400 jobs total. These are mostly not faculty positions. Look at: http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes192011.htm for where those jobs are.

I teach at a public university where salaries do not differ by discipline and most of the full professors are not making over 100K a year. Some of our faculty do get more when they bring in outside grants. But we teach because we enjoy teaching. It&#039;s not for the money. It&#039;s a way of life.

The salaries for atmospheric and space science faculty are lower - about $77K. For comparison, computer science faculty (my field) are listed at $73K. Check out the teaching categories at: http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes250000.htm

Phil, there are more important things in life than the money. You enjoy what you&#039;re doing, and you&#039;re making a difference in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The numbers are based on about 1400 jobs total. These are mostly not faculty positions. Look at: <a href="http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes192011.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes192011.htm</a> for where those jobs are.</p>
<p>I teach at a public university where salaries do not differ by discipline and most of the full professors are not making over 100K a year. Some of our faculty do get more when they bring in outside grants. But we teach because we enjoy teaching. It&#8217;s not for the money. It&#8217;s a way of life.</p>
<p>The salaries for atmospheric and space science faculty are lower &#8211; about $77K. For comparison, computer science faculty (my field) are listed at $73K. Check out the teaching categories at: <a href="http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes250000.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes250000.htm</a></p>
<p>Phil, there are more important things in life than the money. You enjoy what you&#8217;re doing, and you&#8217;re making a difference in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: DAV</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Phil, that $96K is an &lt;i&gt;average&lt;/i&gt;.  It if wasn&#039;t for guys with incomes like yours the number would be, er, &lt;i&gt;astronomical&lt;/i&gt; (as at least one has pointed out above). And if it really is an average, instead of a median, take heart in knowing it only takes a few outliers to skew it.

I see old EH was also into time travel. That&#039;s a recent $100 bill he&#039;s burning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Phil, that $96K is an <i>average</i>.  It if wasn&#8217;t for guys with incomes like yours the number would be, er, <i>astronomical</i> (as at least one has pointed out above). And if it really is an average, instead of a median, take heart in knowing it only takes a few outliers to skew it.</p>
<p>I see old EH was also into time travel. That&#8217;s a recent $100 bill he&#8217;s burning.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well phil you CHOOSE not to work for a major university, and you CHOOSE to do something you enjoy, there for you have CHOSEN to take a lower wage. For the University which I attend most of the full professors are making 100k or better, and yes its public university so all the wages get published in the paper every year. They do make more than the professors in other departments but our department brings money in via way of grants and corporate investment and there is a distinct difference in pay between those can do and those that don&#039;t bring in the cash. Its not fair but in the world where government funding at the state level is getting less and less its kinda what you have to do to survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well phil you CHOOSE not to work for a major university, and you CHOOSE to do something you enjoy, there for you have CHOSEN to take a lower wage. For the University which I attend most of the full professors are making 100k or better, and yes its public university so all the wages get published in the paper every year. They do make more than the professors in other departments but our department brings money in via way of grants and corporate investment and there is a distinct difference in pay between those can do and those that don&#8217;t bring in the cash. Its not fair but in the world where government funding at the state level is getting less and less its kinda what you have to do to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Rivi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rivi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there are some astronomy positions in which you see such money. Most international research institutions, such as ESO, ESA, CERN pay that, and since international staff working for international orgs are excempt of taxes they are comparable to a lot more money paid in a national scheme. As far as I know other expatriate astronomers at Chilean facilities get that sort of money as well (as staff astronomers, it&#039;s still well more if they have managing responsability). Similarly, as the head of an institute in a national scheme you may see such figures. Since it seems that these numbers are restricted to astronomers well up in the career ladder the figures are probably &quot;real&quot;, but do not reflect the actual situation of those in the academic system considering themselves astronomers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there are some astronomy positions in which you see such money. Most international research institutions, such as ESO, ESA, CERN pay that, and since international staff working for international orgs are excempt of taxes they are comparable to a lot more money paid in a national scheme. As far as I know other expatriate astronomers at Chilean facilities get that sort of money as well (as staff astronomers, it&#8217;s still well more if they have managing responsability). Similarly, as the head of an institute in a national scheme you may see such figures. Since it seems that these numbers are restricted to astronomers well up in the career ladder the figures are probably &#8220;real&#8221;, but do not reflect the actual situation of those in the academic system considering themselves astronomers.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Carnegie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;progression in physics is rather Klingon in nature&quot;

I don&#039;t have a signatures file, and my inner Ferengi is -still- telling me to steal that line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;progression in physics is rather Klingon in nature&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a signatures file, and my inner Ferengi is -still- telling me to steal that line.</p>
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		<title>By: shoeshine boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>shoeshine boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got PAID for grad school?  I had to pay them!

But then, I now make more than 96K/yr.

(cue maniacal laughter)
BWHAAaaaaa HAAaaaaaa!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got PAID for grad school?  I had to pay them!</p>
<p>But then, I now make more than 96K/yr.</p>
<p>(cue maniacal laughter)<br />
BWHAAaaaaa HAAaaaaaa!</p>
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		<title>By: silence</title>
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		<dc:creator>silence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BLS numbers are real. I&#039;ve used them during salary negotiations in a field other than astronomy.

Maybe there are a whole lot of very-well paid astronomers designing spy satellites instead of looking at other worlds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BLS numbers are real. I&#8217;ve used them during salary negotiations in a field other than astronomy.</p>
<p>Maybe there are a whole lot of very-well paid astronomers designing spy satellites instead of looking at other worlds?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just FYI, the term &quot;gyp&quot; is a derogatory term for Gypsies or Romani people, insinuating that they cheat people.  Its like using terms like &quot;jewed&quot; which is equally offensive.  Hate to be PC, but just figured I&#039;d let you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just FYI, the term &#8220;gyp&#8221; is a derogatory term for Gypsies or Romani people, insinuating that they cheat people.  Its like using terms like &#8220;jewed&#8221; which is equally offensive.  Hate to be PC, but just figured I&#8217;d let you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Besogonov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Besogonov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A nitpick on nitpick 2:

New Li-ion batteries are usually stored at about 50% charge (because they have maximum shelf life at about 42%).

So a new battery should have enough juice to power a phone for quite a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nitpick on nitpick 2:</p>
<p>New Li-ion batteries are usually stored at about 50% charge (because they have maximum shelf life at about 42%).</p>
<p>So a new battery should have enough juice to power a phone for quite a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Barton Paul Levenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barton Paul Levenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here I am doing temp clerical work.  Oh, well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here I am doing temp clerical work.  Oh, well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, some of us never get to those well-paid faculty jobs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, some of us never get to those well-paid faculty jobs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffersonian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffersonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall having to deal with the compartmentalization of Bureau of Labor categories?
&quot;You do what?? But we don&#039;t have a tag for that! Oh, here, stuck that under Astronomer. Close enough.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall having to deal with the compartmentalization of Bureau of Labor categories?<br />
&#8220;You do what?? But we don&#8217;t have a tag for that! Oh, here, stuck that under Astronomer. Close enough.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: astropixie</title>
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		<dc:creator>astropixie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in the postdoc positions i&#039;m applying for now, i&#039;ll make a little over half this quoted average astronomer salary of about $96k/year.  I&#039;ve been in school for 4 (HS) + 5 (college) + 6 (grad school) = 15 years straight + 3? postdoc1 + 2? postdoc2 = 20 years... then i hope i&#039;ll be making $96k/year.  i know astronomers above the postdoc level that make more, i know some that make less.   the point is that i have a lot more work to do before i reach that point via the &quot;academic&quot; route and while a &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/09/26/unsolicited-advice-v-how-to-apply-for-a-faculty-job/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;large portion of this work is fun, but not all of it is&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in the postdoc positions i&#8217;m applying for now, i&#8217;ll make a little over half this quoted average astronomer salary of about $96k/year.  I&#8217;ve been in school for 4 (HS) + 5 (college) + 6 (grad school) = 15 years straight + 3? postdoc1 + 2? postdoc2 = 20 years&#8230; then i hope i&#8217;ll be making $96k/year.  i know astronomers above the postdoc level that make more, i know some that make less.   the point is that i have a lot more work to do before i reach that point via the &#8220;academic&#8221; route and while a <a HREF="http://cosmicvariance.com/2007/09/26/unsolicited-advice-v-how-to-apply-for-a-faculty-job/" rel="nofollow">large portion of this work is fun, but not all of it is</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Radwaste</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radwaste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, it&#039;s Sylvia Browne. She consults the stars every day, doncha know. Even if their names are Britney and Tom rather than Fomalhaut and e Carinae. Stars. You know. Big money there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, it&#8217;s Sylvia Browne. She consults the stars every day, doncha know. Even if their names are Britney and Tom rather than Fomalhaut and e Carinae. Stars. You know. Big money there!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lonergan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/18/astronomy-cool-cool-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-64541</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Lonergan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll buy you a case of beer if you come to Squamish to do a talk!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll buy you a case of beer if you come to Squamish to do a talk!</p>
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		<title>By: TMB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/18/astronomy-cool-cool-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-64540</link>
		<dc:creator>TMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the money quote from that page:

&quot;Many physicists and astronomers held faculty positions in colleges and universities. Those classified as postsecondary teachers are not included in these employment numbers.&quot;

So once you exclude grad students, postdocs, and some fraction of university faculty, the median of the rest is $96k.

(says the postdoc)

-TMB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the money quote from that page:</p>
<p>&#8220;Many physicists and astronomers held faculty positions in colleges and universities. Those classified as postsecondary teachers are not included in these employment numbers.&#8221;</p>
<p>So once you exclude grad students, postdocs, and some fraction of university faculty, the median of the rest is $96k.</p>
<p>(says the postdoc)</p>
<p>-TMB.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleberg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/18/astronomy-cool-cool-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-64539</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaleberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

http://www.bls.gov/oco/content/ocos052.stm

They apparently determine the salaries by means of a regular survey, and they do not include post-docs or graduate students, but they do include academic and government jobs. Two salient quotes:

&quot;Median annual earnings of astronomers were $95,740 in 2006. The middle 50 percent earned between $62,050 and $125,420, the lowest 10 percent less than $44,590, and the highest 10 percent more than $145,600.&quot;

&quot;The average annual salary for physicists employed by the Federal Government was $111,769 in 2007; for astronomy and space scientists, it was $117,570.&quot;

The latter salaries are probably accurate; the government should know how much it is paying astronomers. The government is not known for its high pay, but in certain fields they have to compete with the private sector, so these numbers are not out of line.

For comparison, the median pay for a computer systems analyst, most likely with a bacherlor&#039;s degree is about $70K. For physicians in family practice, the median is about $150K. It sounds like the earnings aren&#039;t far out of line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to the Bureau of Labor Statistics:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bls.gov/oco/content/ocos052.stm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bls.gov/oco/content/ocos052.stm</a></p>
<p>They apparently determine the salaries by means of a regular survey, and they do not include post-docs or graduate students, but they do include academic and government jobs. Two salient quotes:</p>
<p>&#8220;Median annual earnings of astronomers were $95,740 in 2006. The middle 50 percent earned between $62,050 and $125,420, the lowest 10 percent less than $44,590, and the highest 10 percent more than $145,600.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The average annual salary for physicists employed by the Federal Government was $111,769 in 2007; for astronomy and space scientists, it was $117,570.&#8221;</p>
<p>The latter salaries are probably accurate; the government should know how much it is paying astronomers. The government is not known for its high pay, but in certain fields they have to compete with the private sector, so these numbers are not out of line.</p>
<p>For comparison, the median pay for a computer systems analyst, most likely with a bacherlor&#8217;s degree is about $70K. For physicians in family practice, the median is about $150K. It sounds like the earnings aren&#8217;t far out of line.</p>
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		<title>By: Mags</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/18/astronomy-cool-cool-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-64538</link>
		<dc:creator>Mags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is where the information probably came from.  Phil, I think you are right, you were getting screwed.

http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes192011.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is where the information probably came from.  Phil, I think you are right, you were getting screwed.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes192011.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes192011.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Christian X Burnham</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/01/18/astronomy-cool-cool-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-64536</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian X Burnham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you sure it wasn&#039;t a misprint for &#039;Astrologer&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you sure it wasn&#8217;t a misprint for &#8216;Astrologer&#8217;?</p>
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