Comments on: Another Moon Hoax claim bites the dust

By: Fast Fingers Furley

Fast Fingers Furley — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:25:35 +0000

In this photgraph there are clearly trace boot prints at the right portion of the image. Some prints are smooth and velvety like talc, very vivid and crisp. Others are trace

evidence and not nearly as bright and vivid, indicating that they have been covered by the same sediment as in the surrounding terrain. Also, the clear bottom right

footprint, and the clear left and right prints, do not follow a normal walking pattern for a man of that height. There is at least one more set of prints necessary between

the top and bottom clear prints. The bottom print indicates that the subject jumped and then change directions to 90 degrees in mid air and came to a soft landing with

no side travel impact upon landing.

Also, the nearest boot print to the pole in the photo’s center is about arms reach. How is it that the soil can bear different weights differently in different locations? How

is it that a man has the strength and reach to jab a pole in the ‘lunar’ soil, yet not enough weight to make an impression of similar depth? Why are the of the pole and the

man on a potential intersect?

There is a lcak of natural walk path footprints leading to the man in the photograph. It is as if he were picked up and placed into the scene.

Also, make sure you pretend to hammer a pole, taking turns with a partner. Observe the tracks made. There are only one fresh set of tracks. One man in the photograph, so, if these two guys told this story that you found then they are both fibbing.

Apparently the basher who wrote the original post has never hammered anything in his life.

Basher, you seriously need to stop being lazy and put some thought into what you are writing. Do not give into conceit before having tried many different explanations. You are as big a fool as any.

To John Paradox,
NASA lies about this stuff. Gordon Cooper did not. Now, who is really crazy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI Buzz Aldrin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc Gordon Cooper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7AbhxDcCIc Gordon Cooper

You people who refuse to give benefit of doubt to either side are the true fools. Predudice against others’ beliefs and thoughts is what leads to the destructions of thousands in the middle east and africa. I thought you all would have been raised better than that. If you believe in God, then, one day you be a fool in Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory, but, you will still be a fool nonetheless.

By: John Paradox

John Paradox — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:50:44 +0000

TROLL:Jack, television was invented on January 26 1926 By John Logie Baird … so logically it is impossible to have the first coast to coast broadcast in the late 20’s -30’s… and according to all sources I know of… the first transcontinental tv broadcast was on September 4, 1951…
I was wondering why that name sounded familiar. He developed an ELECTROMECHANICAL means of video transmission,not the current ELECTRONIC system. I know I shouldn’t feed trolls, but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_television

By: Flying sardines

Flying sardines — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:04:08 +0000

& boldingerror too. Damn this html coding!

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Now according to the MHCTBers *all* of these brave and honourable men (& many more people as well) who have all have different characters, abilities and backgrounds, who have written, painted, and talked about their lunar experiences are consistently and continually lying!

I don’t think so!

Can anyone just imagine being the dude in charge of telling the Apollo astronauts – Aldrin and Pete Conrad, Jim Lovell and Al Shepherd and the rest :

“Hey, you know we’ll actually be faking all this so you’ve got to act .. & lie really well .. and then hide somewhere while we somehow fool the Russians and ya gotta keep this so secret and.. ”

* WHACK! * Person telling them this falls over with bloody nose and black eye from Buzz Aldrin’s killerleft hook!

Do Moon Hoax belivers really think all these men are lying?

Do the MHCTBrs have *any* idea how many people would have to be inon this “conspiracy” with NOBODY ever slipping up or cracking to reveal the “secret”.

Can the MHCTBers really be dumb enough to think any such baloney is remotely possible?

By: Flying sardines

Flying sardines — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 05:55:10 +0000

D’oh! Italics error …

Wish we could edit these posts. Sigh.

By: Flying sardines

Flying sardines — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 05:53:21 +0000

Cross post again here from the “Moon movie” thread because Thoth has!
…& to give the troll another chance to actually answer the questions I raise for him.

(Yeah I know, U shouldn’t feed trolls but still .,. I’ll just wait till sun rise for him to turn into stone! )

@ Thoth – and the other Moon Hoax Conspiracy Theory Believers. (MHCTBers)

All these following individuals (most still living) have circled the Moon and many have set foot upon the Lunar regolith : (In order of appearance)

James Lovell,
Frank Borman,
William Anders

Apollo 8 – circled the Moon – & took the famous ‘Moonrise’ image. How do the MHCTBers explain that?

Tom Stafford
Gene Cernan
John Young

Apollo 10 – dress rehearsal for Lunar landing.

Neil Armstrong,
Buzz (Edwin) Aldrin,
Michael Collins

Apollo 11 – first Lunar landing. Aldrin would later write an autobiography as well as at least one SF novel.

Charles “Pete” Conrad
Alan Bean
Richard Gordon

Apollo 12 – the second Lunar landing. Alan Bean would later paint many scenes from his Lunar adventure from memory.

John Swigert,
Fred Haise

Apollo 13 – NASA’s “finest hour” amazing rescue story – which also circled the Moon. Plus again, Jim Lovell who would write a non-fiction book ‘Lost Moon’ detailing his Lunar voyages in 8 & 13.

Alan Shepherd
Edgar Mitchell
Stuart Roosa

Apollo 14 – third lunar landing – & Al Shepherd was the first American in space with the ‘Mercury’ programme.

David Scott
James Irwin
Fred Worden

Apollo 15 – fourth Lunar landing

Charles Duke
Thomas Mattingly

Apollo 16 – fifth Lunar landing. Plus John Young, again. Both Duke & Irwin later became preachers if that carries any weight for those who think preachers are more honest than, say, scientists. NOT a view I hold personally I’ll add, but one I know some do.

Harrison Schmidt
Ronald Evans

Apollo 17 – sixth & so far last lunar landing. Plus again, Gene Cernan. Schmidt, a geologist was the first and only scientist to walk on the Moon, the other astronauts mostly came from air-force or navy backgrounds.

Now according to the MHCTBers *all* of these brave and honourable men (& many more people as well) who have all have different characters, abilities and backgrounds, who have written, painted, and talked about their lunar experiences are consistently and continually lying!

Moreover, the MHCTBers would have us believe that all these men ( & many hundreds more involved in the Apollo program )who have been interviewed, studied, debriefed and questioned are *perfect* flawless liars who have never once “slipped up” and accidentally revealed “the secret.”

Not to the media, not to their partners, not to their kids, not once, ever.

Yeah riiiight.

Given human nature and fallibility, I think the Lunar landing is far more plausible than the absurd “Moon Hoax” alternative.

I think that all of these twenty-four astronauts named ( & the many others involved in the Apollo program) are owed an apology by the MHCTBers. (Incl. Thoth.)

By: IVAN3MAN

IVAN3MAN — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:05:02 +0000

By: Thoth

Thoth — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:57:24 +0000

It is easy for NASA sponsored debunkers to regard skeptics as crazy nutters. But every time they do it, it is an indication of their inability to debunk using logical argument and valid reasoning. Millions of human beings are capable of critical thinking, even without scientific or educational credentials. Highly credentialed scientific critical thinking can find six different contradictory causes for one disease. One does not have to read conspiracy theories or NASA paid debunkers to draw reasonable and logical conclusions. Despite great advances in technology, it is increasingly obvious, after 4 decades, that NASA does not yet possess the practical technology to send manned missions safely to the moon and back. Anyone can take NASA images from the NASA site, take them into basic photo software, enlarge them, adjust the brightness and contrast, and see clearly where images of real and/or simulated lunar terrain have been superimposed upon real and/or simulated (or airbrushed) backgrounds. The blurring and airbrushing of the lines between foreground and background were very poorly done by NASA personnel, perhaps unaware that within a few decades, even common folk would have the computer technology at their fingertips to enlarge these images and expose all kinds of sloppiness and errors. No doubt, NASA figured that practical space exploration technology would advance at least equally as rapidly. They were wrong. Clearly many scenes were simulated. I observed the Apollo Moon landings in 1969 on television and believed it completely for some 20 years. However, I have actually seen zero credible scientific evidence that men have ever landed on the moon. The lunar rocks prove nothing. The lasers prove nothing. Lasers will bounce off the Moon itself or hardware left by possible previous unmanned missions. If men had actually landed on the moon, it would have been relatively easy to offer much more credible evidence, rather than the mountain of circumstantial evidence and images which are obviously a blend of real (unmanned) lunar images, simulated lunar terrain, and airbrushing. To expect critical minds to accept without proof that the United States successfully landed men on the Moon six times between 1969-1972 (all during the Nixon Administration), and that no country including the U.S. has ever achieved this (manned Moon landings) either before 1969 or even within the following 4 decades, is simply NOT rational or logical. The statistical probability of this actually happening is becoming increasingly astronomical, like a “hole in history” as Arthur C. Clarke said. Despite all our advances in technology, the United States has not even sent men beyond approximately 150 miles into space since the Apollo Missions! That is like from Birmingham, Alabama to Atlanta, Georgia. So don’t give me this horse poop about “critical thinking.” Regardless of the truth, anyone in their right mind should seriously doubt the credibility of the Apollo Manned Moon Missions. NASA should either respectfully provide logical explanations to serious questions, and offer credible proof, or just come clean and say we don’t know or we actually simulated that portion. If the “evidence” NASA has presented is all we have, then for all practical purposes, NASA may as well stop mass conditioning our elementary school children about the Apollo Missions. The current reputation of the United States Government and NASA are not such that any citizen or nation would likely be that surprised if NASA admitted to simulating some or all of the Apollo Missions. Any critical thinking mind knows as fact that our government is capable and morally willing to do whatever is necessary to achieve U.S. objectives. Do I know that the Apollo Manned Moon Missions were simulated? No. Do I believe they were simulated? I believe Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17 Manned Moon Missions were completely simulated. I don’t believe either the USSR or the US successfully retrieved lunar soil samples or lunar rocks and brought them back to Earth. I believe the only lunar material we have are the lunar meteorites collected by NASA and other scientific organizations over many decades. If comparing lunar meteorites are the primary method to determine whether lunar soil or rock samples are genuine, then any crushed or fired or reformulated variations containing lunar meteorite material would probably be regarded as genuine material of lunar origin by reputable scientists. This does not prove that either manned or unmanned craft retrieved such material directly from the Moon. When lunar soil samples and lasers are used by NASA as arguments for proof, this only encourages critical minds to question and doubt their reasoning, intent, and credibility. NASA should show the proof and stop trying to achieve FACT status by simply repeating NASA propaganda millions of times on television and print media with simulated/altered images and artist renderings. The TRUTH doesn’t need lies or simulated evidence … it will continue to reveal and validate itself. The sensory equipment aboard every human mind is far superior to even the vast propaganda machine of NASA. As we continue to study Nature … we begin to see things more truly. But when we overestimate our knowledge and forget our position … Nature will gladly laugh … and embarrass us for forty years … maybe even forever.