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	<title>Comments on: NASA beams Beatles into deep space</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Old Rockin' Dave</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/01/nasa-beams-beatles-into-deep-space/comment-page-1/#comment-67976</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Rockin' Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago there was a sketch on Saturday Night Live when &quot;psychic&quot; Steve Martin showed the next cover of Time Magazine, revealing that the Voyager record had been discovered and a message sent proving the existence of intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe. It consisted of just four words: &quot;Send more Chuck Berry.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago there was a sketch on Saturday Night Live when &#8220;psychic&#8221; Steve Martin showed the next cover of Time Magazine, revealing that the Voyager record had been discovered and a message sent proving the existence of intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe. It consisted of just four words: &#8220;Send more Chuck Berry.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Alexander Zaitsev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Alexander Zaitsev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This NASA Beatles transmission is pseudo-scientific -- in my paper

[url=http://www.cplire.ru/html/ra&amp;sr/irm/limitations.html]Limitations on Volume of Interstellar Radio Messages[/url]

was shown that real-time digital transmission of audio is not possible:

&gt;If we assume that They are situated in the neighbourhood at a distance
&gt; of 70 light years from us and have the same, or even a little more
&gt;sensitive, SETI receivers, like to our future ATA (Allen Telescope Array)
&gt;or SKA (Square Kilometer Array), then daily volumes of IRMs, which we
&gt;can transmit from ART, GSSR, and EPR toward given celestial target are
&gt; equal 75, 200, and 20 kilobits for ATA-like receiver, or 7.5, 20, and 2
&gt;megabits for SKA-like receiver, respectively. And this volume is in
&gt;inverse proportional dependence from squared distance. Consequently,
&gt;we should aspire to be laconic now in our IRM compositions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This NASA Beatles transmission is pseudo-scientific &#8212; in my paper</p>
<p>[url=http://www.cplire.ru/html/ra&amp;sr/irm/limitations.html]Limitations on Volume of Interstellar Radio Messages[/url]</p>
<p>was shown that real-time digital transmission of audio is not possible:</p>
<p>&gt;If we assume that They are situated in the neighbourhood at a distance<br />
&gt; of 70 light years from us and have the same, or even a little more<br />
&gt;sensitive, SETI receivers, like to our future ATA (Allen Telescope Array)<br />
&gt;or SKA (Square Kilometer Array), then daily volumes of IRMs, which we<br />
&gt;can transmit from ART, GSSR, and EPR toward given celestial target are<br />
&gt; equal 75, 200, and 20 kilobits for ATA-like receiver, or 7.5, 20, and 2<br />
&gt;megabits for SKA-like receiver, respectively. And this volume is in<br />
&gt;inverse proportional dependence from squared distance. Consequently,<br />
&gt;we should aspire to be laconic now in our IRM compositions.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Fischer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/01/nasa-beams-beatles-into-deep-space/comment-page-1/#comment-67974</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done &lt;a href=&quot;http://cosmos4u.blogspot.com/2008/02/tonights-night-across-universe.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some research on the five(!) anniversaries&lt;/a&gt; that this &#039;Active SETI&#039; broadcast is meant to celebrate - the hardest thing was to find out &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; the Deep Space Network thinks it&#039;s only 45 years old when it was busy tracking spacecraft since 1958. Eventually I mailed the author of the NASA press release - and got an answer back within minutes, and that on a Sunday! Whoever wants to &quot;play along&quot; tonight can make use of the various YouTube incarnations of &quot;Across the Universe&quot; I&#039;m linking to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done <a href="http://cosmos4u.blogspot.com/2008/02/tonights-night-across-universe.html" rel="nofollow">some research on the five(!) anniversaries</a> that this &#8216;Active SETI&#8217; broadcast is meant to celebrate &#8211; the hardest thing was to find out <i>why</i> the Deep Space Network thinks it&#8217;s only 45 years old when it was busy tracking spacecraft since 1958. Eventually I mailed the author of the NASA press release &#8211; and got an answer back within minutes, and that on a Sunday! Whoever wants to &#8220;play along&#8221; tonight can make use of the various YouTube incarnations of &#8220;Across the Universe&#8221; I&#8217;m linking to.</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/01/nasa-beams-beatles-into-deep-space/comment-page-1/#comment-67973</link>
		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you point to something that’s not near the poles, then you’re spraying the music around whatever fraction of a 360-degree circle it takes to finish the song, so no hypothetical listener gets very much of it, and all the different broadcasters are pointing different directions.&quot;

They *do* have tracking on the DSN.  How else to they talk to those spacecraft in the ecliptic (not so far from th equatorial plane)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you point to something that’s not near the poles, then you’re spraying the music around whatever fraction of a 360-degree circle it takes to finish the song, so no hypothetical listener gets very much of it, and all the different broadcasters are pointing different directions.&#8221;</p>
<p>They *do* have tracking on the DSN.  How else to they talk to those spacecraft in the ecliptic (not so far from th equatorial plane)?</p>
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		<title>By: Argyl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Argyl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or let&#039;s just send the song &quot;Shipwrecked Frontier Pioneer&quot; by the avant garde progessive metal band Arcturus toward Arcturus. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or let&#8217;s just send the song &#8220;Shipwrecked Frontier Pioneer&#8221; by the avant garde progessive metal band Arcturus toward Arcturus. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Argyl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/01/nasa-beams-beatles-into-deep-space/comment-page-1/#comment-67971</link>
		<dc:creator>Argyl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is very little chance (as close to zero as I can imagine) of any intelligent being intercepting and recording this particular message (or any directed single radio message) and ever decoding whichever coding / modulation was used, to reproduce the sound waves (which require of course similar atmospheric pressure and loudspeaker technology). Recorded music is way too complex anyway to be recognized as a message.

SETI should try some real feasibility experiments. Take two groups, independent of each other, the other one devises a radio message that should be able to picked up anywhere on Earth with sensitive enough radio equipment (and it should be as vague as that). The other group is the receiver, who don&#039;t know when (let&#039;s say, within a year) the signal begins or ends, at what bandwidth it will be broadcast, or what kind of encoding is used. Neither group knows where the other is located. Basically a double blind STI (Search for Terrestrial Intelligence).

Of course, a certain long distance short wave band (or in any case a band that can be received almost anywhere on Earth, given right circumstances) should be reserved for this purpose for the transmitting group. Now, a certain amount of transmitter time (less than the whole experiment time) should be given to the transmitting team that they can allocate as they choose during the experiment period, while the receiving group listens the whole time using their chosen methods.

If they can detect the signal (and they should of course concentrate on detecting a terrestrial signal sent by the other group, and shifting out all shortwave radio stations etc.) and decode it within that period, it would indicate that it is atleast possible to detect an intelligent message from the noise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is very little chance (as close to zero as I can imagine) of any intelligent being intercepting and recording this particular message (or any directed single radio message) and ever decoding whichever coding / modulation was used, to reproduce the sound waves (which require of course similar atmospheric pressure and loudspeaker technology). Recorded music is way too complex anyway to be recognized as a message.</p>
<p>SETI should try some real feasibility experiments. Take two groups, independent of each other, the other one devises a radio message that should be able to picked up anywhere on Earth with sensitive enough radio equipment (and it should be as vague as that). The other group is the receiver, who don&#8217;t know when (let&#8217;s say, within a year) the signal begins or ends, at what bandwidth it will be broadcast, or what kind of encoding is used. Neither group knows where the other is located. Basically a double blind STI (Search for Terrestrial Intelligence).</p>
<p>Of course, a certain long distance short wave band (or in any case a band that can be received almost anywhere on Earth, given right circumstances) should be reserved for this purpose for the transmitting group. Now, a certain amount of transmitter time (less than the whole experiment time) should be given to the transmitting team that they can allocate as they choose during the experiment period, while the receiving group listens the whole time using their chosen methods.</p>
<p>If they can detect the signal (and they should of course concentrate on detecting a terrestrial signal sent by the other group, and shifting out all shortwave radio stations etc.) and decode it within that period, it would indicate that it is atleast possible to detect an intelligent message from the noise.</p>
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		<title>By: Dídac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dídac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill is right. Probably the Wow! signal can be explained this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill is right. Probably the Wow! signal can be explained this way.</p>
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