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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Clammy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/07/starbucks-mitosis/comment-page-3/#comment-69276</link>
		<dc:creator>Clammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, there may be some homeostasis going on, in addition to the mitosis.  A new Starbucks just opened in my neighborhood a couple weeks ago (this would make 4 in a 5-minute walking radius, in addition to the other (literally!!) two dozen coffee shops in the same area).

And then this happened!

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/02/13/vancouver-blast.html?ref=rss</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, there may be some homeostasis going on, in addition to the mitosis.  A new Starbucks just opened in my neighborhood a couple weeks ago (this would make 4 in a 5-minute walking radius, in addition to the other (literally!!) two dozen coffee shops in the same area).</p>
<p>And then this happened!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/02/13/vancouver-blast.html?ref=rss" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/02/13/vancouver-blast.html?ref=rss</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eunomiac</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/07/starbucks-mitosis/comment-page-3/#comment-69275</link>
		<dc:creator>Eunomiac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On behalf of all Canadians, may I please invite you into a Tim Horton&#039;s the next time you&#039;re in Canada? They don&#039;t over-roast their beans, and will actually put milk/cream/sugar into your coffee FOR you.

Remember: You&#039;ve always got time for Tim Horton&#039;s.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On behalf of all Canadians, may I please invite you into a Tim Horton&#8217;s the next time you&#8217;re in Canada? They don&#8217;t over-roast their beans, and will actually put milk/cream/sugar into your coffee FOR you.</p>
<p>Remember: You&#8217;ve always got time for Tim Horton&#8217;s.<br />
 <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikel wrote:

&lt;i&gt;Second, businesses can open wherever local governments will allow them to open. Starbucks could not operate in those locations without permission, so you were apologizing for no reason.&lt;/i&gt;

I know nothing of Vancouver or of Starbucks&#039; practice, but one issue is that large corporations can use their muscle to get a favourable deal from local government, which allows them to squeeze competitors on price.  That said, Starbucks don&#039;t strike me as cheap so it doesn&#039;t seem plausible in this case.

I agree with Dunc: we shouldn&#039;t build society and legislate on the basis of theories that assume people take rational decisions as defined by utility theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikel wrote:</p>
<p><i>Second, businesses can open wherever local governments will allow them to open. Starbucks could not operate in those locations without permission, so you were apologizing for no reason.</i></p>
<p>I know nothing of Vancouver or of Starbucks&#8217; practice, but one issue is that large corporations can use their muscle to get a favourable deal from local government, which allows them to squeeze competitors on price.  That said, Starbucks don&#8217;t strike me as cheap so it doesn&#8217;t seem plausible in this case.</p>
<p>I agree with Dunc: we shouldn&#8217;t build society and legislate on the basis of theories that assume people take rational decisions as defined by utility theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 12:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly Phil!  Of &lt;i&gt;course&lt;/i&gt; &lt;b&gt;Quiet Desperation&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;Evolving Squid&lt;/b&gt; didn&#039;t see the humour.  You should have expected it.  After all, it is impossible for the religious to see the humour in anything that pokes fun of their religion.

And the &quot;The Free Market Solves All Problems&quot; branch of the &quot;Capitalism über Alles!&quot; church is especially humourless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly Phil!  Of <i>course</i> <b>Quiet Desperation</b> and <b>Evolving Squid</b> didn&#8217;t see the humour.  You should have expected it.  After all, it is impossible for the religious to see the humour in anything that pokes fun of their religion.</p>
<p>And the &#8220;The Free Market Solves All Problems&#8221; branch of the &#8220;Capitalism über Alles!&#8221; church is especially humourless.</p>
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		<title>By: CR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 07:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, I was MOSTLY kidding about the McDonalds thing way back, in the spirit of the joke this thread originally started with. I thought McD&#039;s was everywhere, but it seems like Starbucks is even moreso, hence the original &quot;Geez, and I thought McDonalds world takeover was bad...&quot; Get it? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha... um... ha. Sigh. OK, this is why I don&#039;t do stand-up comedy.

Anyway, I like JanieBelle&#039;s expansion on why McD&#039;s is bad. (Funny pic!)

Just some random disclaimers and thoughts on a more serious note, though...

I don&#039;t go to places I don&#039;t like, and McD&#039;s happens to be one of them. Hence the &#039;MOSTLY&#039; in my point above.

I do dislike heavy advertising to the point of saturation; the more advertising, the more likely I am to be turned off. You can imagine how effective political campaigns are with me, then. :)

I&#039;d hate to see the free market become monopolistic. Ironic, that... companies outcompete other companies, growing bigger to the point where they can buy out those they don&#039;t outcompete, and eventually, there&#039;s no competition. And thus, no free market. BUT could that really happen in real life? Would that really happen in real life? I mean could it, would it happen that completely? (Side note: I recently heard someone ask why, instead of a free market economy, we don&#039;t have a fair market economy, but I believe it was in reference to health insurance.)

Oh, finally, I don&#039;t drink coffee. Can&#039;t stand it in any form: plain, flavored, whatever. Never have. Yuck.
On behalf of myself, I don&#039;t apologize for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, I was MOSTLY kidding about the McDonalds thing way back, in the spirit of the joke this thread originally started with. I thought McD&#8217;s was everywhere, but it seems like Starbucks is even moreso, hence the original &#8220;Geez, and I thought McDonalds world takeover was bad&#8230;&#8221; Get it? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha&#8230; um&#8230; ha. Sigh. OK, this is why I don&#8217;t do stand-up comedy.</p>
<p>Anyway, I like JanieBelle&#8217;s expansion on why McD&#8217;s is bad. (Funny pic!)</p>
<p>Just some random disclaimers and thoughts on a more serious note, though&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t go to places I don&#8217;t like, and McD&#8217;s happens to be one of them. Hence the &#8216;MOSTLY&#8217; in my point above.</p>
<p>I do dislike heavy advertising to the point of saturation; the more advertising, the more likely I am to be turned off. You can imagine how effective political campaigns are with me, then. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;d hate to see the free market become monopolistic. Ironic, that&#8230; companies outcompete other companies, growing bigger to the point where they can buy out those they don&#8217;t outcompete, and eventually, there&#8217;s no competition. And thus, no free market. BUT could that really happen in real life? Would that really happen in real life? I mean could it, would it happen that completely? (Side note: I recently heard someone ask why, instead of a free market economy, we don&#8217;t have a fair market economy, but I believe it was in reference to health insurance.)</p>
<p>Oh, finally, I don&#8217;t drink coffee. Can&#8217;t stand it in any form: plain, flavored, whatever. Never have. Yuck.<br />
On behalf of myself, I don&#8217;t apologize for that.</p>
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		<title>By: A.J. (the bad biologist)</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.J. (the bad biologist)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 01:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Auckland: New Zealand
Near my University there are 6 starbucks. Each one less than 500 feet from another starbucks.
Trust me, it&#039;s not just a canadian thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Auckland: New Zealand<br />
Near my University there are 6 starbucks. Each one less than 500 feet from another starbucks.<br />
Trust me, it&#8217;s not just a canadian thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,

     You found the other end of the universe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9iMgSNrwv4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>     You found the other end of the universe:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9iMgSNrwv4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9iMgSNrwv4</a></p>
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		<title>By: Daffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And yet, somehow, life goes on. And smaller coffee shops thrive even next door to a Starbucks.&quot;

Care to show some stats on that? It sure ain&#039;t true in my part of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And yet, somehow, life goes on. And smaller coffee shops thrive even next door to a Starbucks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Care to show some stats on that? It sure ain&#8217;t true in my part of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Pieter Kok</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/07/starbucks-mitosis/comment-page-3/#comment-69268</link>
		<dc:creator>Pieter Kok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;how many hundreds of silly, humorous posts have I left here?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Silly? Loads. Humourous? Fewer. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>how many hundreds of silly, humorous posts have I left here?</p></blockquote>
<p>Silly? Loads. Humourous? Fewer. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Quiet_Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet_Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no need to go ad hominem, folks. I was simply trying to figure out why people are so turned off by corporations that many other people seem to like. Why does it bother them? Just being complete in my skepticism when I see fallacies being bandied about. I wasn&#039;t angry or anything.

As for my sense of humor, for pity&#039;s sake, how many hundreds of silly, humorous posts have I left here?

&lt;i&gt;Those who say “I don’t see the problem in this. The populous will buy it, the companies will make it” clearly don’t understand the economics of the situation.&lt;/i&gt;

And yet, somehow, life goes on. And smaller coffee shops thrive even next door to a Starbucks.

&lt;i&gt;“quiet desperation”: you are the only reasonable human being writing in this blog!!!! &lt;/i&gt;

Ah, well, someone likes me. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no need to go ad hominem, folks. I was simply trying to figure out why people are so turned off by corporations that many other people seem to like. Why does it bother them? Just being complete in my skepticism when I see fallacies being bandied about. I wasn&#8217;t angry or anything.</p>
<p>As for my sense of humor, for pity&#8217;s sake, how many hundreds of silly, humorous posts have I left here?</p>
<p><i>Those who say “I don’t see the problem in this. The populous will buy it, the companies will make it” clearly don’t understand the economics of the situation.</i></p>
<p>And yet, somehow, life goes on. And smaller coffee shops thrive even next door to a Starbucks.</p>
<p><i>“quiet desperation”: you are the only reasonable human being writing in this blog!!!! </i></p>
<p>Ah, well, someone likes me. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Law Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Law Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t know whether Starbucks is driving out the indies, but I suspect that a good portion of their sales comes from the demand they themselves created.  When I was a teenager, my friends and I never drank coffee.  Today, all the kids drink Starbucks.  There’s one girl who was on my daughter’s cheer squad who drank at least one a day.  I estimated she spent close to $2000 a year there.  If Starbucks disappeared tomorrow, I doubt she’d head over to some diner.

I’ll tell you what’s worse.  My sister lives in NY on the Upper East Side and every cute little shop and restaurant has been turned into a bank branch.  Each bank feels it’s necessary to have a branch on every block.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know whether Starbucks is driving out the indies, but I suspect that a good portion of their sales comes from the demand they themselves created.  When I was a teenager, my friends and I never drank coffee.  Today, all the kids drink Starbucks.  There’s one girl who was on my daughter’s cheer squad who drank at least one a day.  I estimated she spent close to $2000 a year there.  If Starbucks disappeared tomorrow, I doubt she’d head over to some diner.</p>
<p>I’ll tell you what’s worse.  My sister lives in NY on the Upper East Side and every cute little shop and restaurant has been turned into a bank branch.  Each bank feels it’s necessary to have a branch on every block.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Pookey,
The real story of those two Starbucks have more to do with a clever Canadian landlord than any evil American takeover.  Starbucks was renting in the south west corner when the building was due for renovation.  The landlord mentioned he could let them have the small shop across the street as a temporary location but they would have to sign a lease for longer then the length of the renovations as he had a competitor interested in leasing the building.  Once the renovations were done and the new store opened, Starbucks found that their temporary store was still doing a brisk business.  The landlord saw this too, and when the lease was due he again mentioned a competitor who wanted to lease it.  Starbucks asked if they could sign a longer lease and, of course, the landlord was more than willing to oblige with a raise in the rent.
By the way, the regulars at each shop are very loyal to their shop and will  only go to the other under the most extreme circumstances.  This behaviour can only be explained by the heightened quality of marijuana available in Vancouver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Pookey,<br />
The real story of those two Starbucks have more to do with a clever Canadian landlord than any evil American takeover.  Starbucks was renting in the south west corner when the building was due for renovation.  The landlord mentioned he could let them have the small shop across the street as a temporary location but they would have to sign a lease for longer then the length of the renovations as he had a competitor interested in leasing the building.  Once the renovations were done and the new store opened, Starbucks found that their temporary store was still doing a brisk business.  The landlord saw this too, and when the lease was due he again mentioned a competitor who wanted to lease it.  Starbucks asked if they could sign a longer lease and, of course, the landlord was more than willing to oblige with a raise in the rent.<br />
By the way, the regulars at each shop are very loyal to their shop and will  only go to the other under the most extreme circumstances.  This behaviour can only be explained by the heightened quality of marijuana available in Vancouver.</p>
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		<title>By: Katrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must be in the only Starbucks-free zone left in the world.  I haven&#039;t seen a &#039;Bucks in three years.

Of course, living in Naples, Italy might have something to do with that. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must be in the only Starbucks-free zone left in the world.  I haven&#8217;t seen a &#8216;Bucks in three years.</p>
<p>Of course, living in Naples, Italy might have something to do with that. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Aerik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aerik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy crap.  There was a Lewis Black sketch where he talked about going to Dallas and seeing a Starbucks across the street from a Starbucks, and said

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Lewis Black&quot;&gt;That, ladies and gentlemen, is the end of the world as we know it.  When there&#039;s a Starbucks across the street from another Starbucks... the game is up.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

College guys would later confirm that Lewis Black is telling the truth.

Seriously, Canada, we&#039;re sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap.  There was a Lewis Black sketch where he talked about going to Dallas and seeing a Starbucks across the street from a Starbucks, and said</p>
<blockquote cite="Lewis Black"><p>That, ladies and gentlemen, is the end of the world as we know it.  When there&#8217;s a Starbucks across the street from another Starbucks&#8230; the game is up.</p></blockquote>
<p>College guys would later confirm that Lewis Black is telling the truth.</p>
<p>Seriously, Canada, we&#8217;re sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s nothing.  You should visit Hamilton and see all the Tim Hortons locations.  I worked at one in the summer and would pass six others on my way home from work (a 20 minute bike ride).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s nothing.  You should visit Hamilton and see all the Tim Hortons locations.  I worked at one in the summer and would pass six others on my way home from work (a 20 minute bike ride).</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CaseyS is right; Seattle and Vancouver are like a continuum, an &quot;urban corridor&quot; as William Gibson would have it, so mingling of retail isn&#039;t unusual (though, to the horror of my Canadian friends, there&#039;s still no Tim Horton&#039;s in the Seattle area). Starbucks is like Dunkin Donuts in Boston -- there&#039;s a place in that city where four Dunkin Donuts converge, near the financial district, and there&#039;s at least one spot I can think of near Seattle where there are four Starbucks on the same block.

The thing about Starbucks is that they aren&#039;t selling the burnt-tasting coffee, or the sawdusty &quot;pastries&quot; -- what they&#039;re selling is the idea that everyone who walks in the door can have their own special idiosyncratic idea of coffee made to order. They don&#039;t even blink at the most crazy orders you can come up with, like the ones in that scene with Steve Martin in &quot;LA Story&quot;: “I&#039;ll have a vente quad-shot vanilla breve cappuccino with room...”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CaseyS is right; Seattle and Vancouver are like a continuum, an &#8220;urban corridor&#8221; as William Gibson would have it, so mingling of retail isn&#8217;t unusual (though, to the horror of my Canadian friends, there&#8217;s still no Tim Horton&#8217;s in the Seattle area). Starbucks is like Dunkin Donuts in Boston &#8212; there&#8217;s a place in that city where four Dunkin Donuts converge, near the financial district, and there&#8217;s at least one spot I can think of near Seattle where there are four Starbucks on the same block.</p>
<p>The thing about Starbucks is that they aren&#8217;t selling the burnt-tasting coffee, or the sawdusty &#8220;pastries&#8221; &#8212; what they&#8217;re selling is the idea that everyone who walks in the door can have their own special idiosyncratic idea of coffee made to order. They don&#8217;t even blink at the most crazy orders you can come up with, like the ones in that scene with Steve Martin in &#8220;LA Story&#8221;: “I&#8217;ll have a vente quad-shot vanilla breve cappuccino with room&#8230;”</p>
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		<title>By: The BudgetAstronomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The BudgetAstronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Shrek 2 there is a scene where terrified patrons run from one Starbucks to another across the street. I think it is Queen and Bay in Toronto with this same phenomenon.

This is very much akin to Douglas Adams&#039; great routine on the &quot;shoe shop event horizon&quot;, where it becomes economically unfeasible to have any kind of shop except shoe shops, so the economy collapses and people evolve into life forms that never have to wear shoes again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Shrek 2 there is a scene where terrified patrons run from one Starbucks to another across the street. I think it is Queen and Bay in Toronto with this same phenomenon.</p>
<p>This is very much akin to Douglas Adams&#8217; great routine on the &#8220;shoe shop event horizon&#8221;, where it becomes economically unfeasible to have any kind of shop except shoe shops, so the economy collapses and people evolve into life forms that never have to wear shoes again.</p>
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		<title>By: cc.petersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>cc.petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Phil, I figured out you were joking as soon as I saw your video... but, I won&#039;t let that stop me from twitting you anyway...

It&#039;s not a hard-and-fast rule that when you move to Boulder you absolutely MUST apologize for everything American... as a former NATIVE Boulderite, I know the urge to do this, but you must use this weapon with discretion... elstwise it goes blunt with overusage.

Since everybody took your thing seriously, and have posted some seriously whining replies (including one that somehow implies that some people in America are fat because they go to Starbucks (not sure how that works, but hey, don&#039;t let logic stand in the way of a good chance to slam Americans again)), I thought I&#039;d jump in the fray.  It&#039;s snowing here, I haven&#039;t yet shoveled out the driveway (why bother, it&#039;s still coming down) and there&#039;s not a Starbucks within 10 miles of me, so hey...

So, those mom-and-pop places the lack of which (or loss thereof) that everybody&#039;s decrying?  Let&#039;s talk about my town... a small burg on the edge of wishful thinking.  It has two Dunkin&#039; Donuts, both of which serve... um... coffee.  Sort of.  If you can call stuff that is seriously loaded with cream and additives &quot;coffee.&quot;

It has one, count &#039;em ONE Mom-and-Pop coffee shop that serves reasonably decent coffee along with a delicious array of soups, salads, and pastries, but it closes at 2 p.m.  So much for going somewhere to sit and drink coffee and converse with one&#039;s townies in the afternoon for a quick break.

It has ONE breakfast joint, which is usually open and serves something that resembles coffee only in temperature and color.  Otherwise, not so much.

Starbucks, on the other hand, is open many more hours, has a variety of coffees, some of which are good, and some of which I wouldn&#039;t touch.  But they&#039;re there.  Although, since I live in Frost Heaves, MA, I have to drive to Nashua, NH to get to a &#039;bucks...

And, one last smackdown to the snob who thinks we&#039;re all fat from going to Starbucks:  it&#039;s obvious you&#039;ve never had a Venti triple expresso with low-fat milk and Equal.  There&#039;s NO chance in HELL you&#039;d stand still long enough to put on weight after drinking one of those!

Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Phil, I figured out you were joking as soon as I saw your video&#8230; but, I won&#8217;t let that stop me from twitting you anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a hard-and-fast rule that when you move to Boulder you absolutely MUST apologize for everything American&#8230; as a former NATIVE Boulderite, I know the urge to do this, but you must use this weapon with discretion&#8230; elstwise it goes blunt with overusage.</p>
<p>Since everybody took your thing seriously, and have posted some seriously whining replies (including one that somehow implies that some people in America are fat because they go to Starbucks (not sure how that works, but hey, don&#8217;t let logic stand in the way of a good chance to slam Americans again)), I thought I&#8217;d jump in the fray.  It&#8217;s snowing here, I haven&#8217;t yet shoveled out the driveway (why bother, it&#8217;s still coming down) and there&#8217;s not a Starbucks within 10 miles of me, so hey&#8230;</p>
<p>So, those mom-and-pop places the lack of which (or loss thereof) that everybody&#8217;s decrying?  Let&#8217;s talk about my town&#8230; a small burg on the edge of wishful thinking.  It has two Dunkin&#8217; Donuts, both of which serve&#8230; um&#8230; coffee.  Sort of.  If you can call stuff that is seriously loaded with cream and additives &#8220;coffee.&#8221;</p>
<p>It has one, count &#8216;em ONE Mom-and-Pop coffee shop that serves reasonably decent coffee along with a delicious array of soups, salads, and pastries, but it closes at 2 p.m.  So much for going somewhere to sit and drink coffee and converse with one&#8217;s townies in the afternoon for a quick break.</p>
<p>It has ONE breakfast joint, which is usually open and serves something that resembles coffee only in temperature and color.  Otherwise, not so much.</p>
<p>Starbucks, on the other hand, is open many more hours, has a variety of coffees, some of which are good, and some of which I wouldn&#8217;t touch.  But they&#8217;re there.  Although, since I live in Frost Heaves, MA, I have to drive to Nashua, NH to get to a &#8216;bucks&#8230;</p>
<p>And, one last smackdown to the snob who thinks we&#8217;re all fat from going to Starbucks:  it&#8217;s obvious you&#8217;ve never had a Venti triple expresso with low-fat milk and Equal.  There&#8217;s NO chance in HELL you&#8217;d stand still long enough to put on weight after drinking one of those!</p>
<p>Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: BlondeReb3</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Southeastern New England, I can think of at least 3 Tim Horton&#039;s that I need to pass to get from home to work.  So we can consider ourselves infiltrated as well. ;-)

And I gotta say, the Starbucks phenomenon here has nothing on the Dunkin Donuts, where I passed 4 of those between home and work, and they were in the same small town....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Southeastern New England, I can think of at least 3 Tim Horton&#8217;s that I need to pass to get from home to work.  So we can consider ourselves infiltrated as well. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And I gotta say, the Starbucks phenomenon here has nothing on the Dunkin Donuts, where I passed 4 of those between home and work, and they were in the same small town&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: J. John Johnstown</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. John Johnstown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another article from The Onion on Starbucks:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28657&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Starbucks to Begin Sinister &#039;Phase Two&#039; of Operation&lt;/a&gt;

Because of this article, every time I drive down &#8220;99&#8221; past Starbucks Corporate, I think I hear the sound the &#8220;Obelisk of Nod,&#8221; from the game &lt;i&gt;Command and Conquer&lt;/i&gt;, and I worry the mermaid is going to blow away my car with her laser-beam eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another article from The Onion on Starbucks:<br />
<a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28657" rel="nofollow">Starbucks to Begin Sinister &#8216;Phase Two&#8217; of Operation</a></p>
<p>Because of this article, every time I drive down &ldquo;99&rdquo; past Starbucks Corporate, I think I hear the sound the &ldquo;Obelisk of Nod,&rdquo; from the game <i>Command and Conquer</i>, and I worry the mermaid is going to blow away my car with her laser-beam eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Evolving Squid</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/07/starbucks-mitosis/comment-page-2/#comment-69256</link>
		<dc:creator>Evolving Squid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pieter said:
&lt;i&gt;&gt;&gt;I can’t comment on their filter coffee, though.&lt;/i&gt;

I can, and have:

http://www.squidzone.ca/the_squid_zone/2007/03/coffee_rankings.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pieter said:<br />
<i>&gt;&gt;I can’t comment on their filter coffee, though.</i></p>
<p>I can, and have:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.squidzone.ca/the_squid_zone/2007/03/coffee_rankings.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.squidzone.ca/the_squid_zone/2007/03/coffee_rankings.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pieter Kok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pieter Kok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, I thought it was hilarious and the tone in your voice was quite clearly one of amusement.

I drink the espresso-based coffees of Starbucks, Costa, or any other chain, and although I do taste a difference, it is not so much better/worse than &lt;i&gt;different&lt;/i&gt;. I can&#039;t comment on their filter coffee, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, I thought it was hilarious and the tone in your voice was quite clearly one of amusement.</p>
<p>I drink the espresso-based coffees of Starbucks, Costa, or any other chain, and although I do taste a difference, it is not so much better/worse than <i>different</i>. I can&#8217;t comment on their filter coffee, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starbucks on every corner is a just another tool in management circles commonly called &quot;swarming&quot; and a Google should bring up lots of links to papers on it.

I lived in Seattle when Starbucks started, and they crushed the dozens of independent coffee cart operators at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starbucks on every corner is a just another tool in management circles commonly called &#8220;swarming&#8221; and a Google should bring up lots of links to papers on it.</p>
<p>I lived in Seattle when Starbucks started, and they crushed the dozens of independent coffee cart operators at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Men,

I&#039;m from Puebla, Mexico, you should be really scared, that just at south of the city there are 5 starbucks, I don&#039;t know about the rest of the city!

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m from Puebla, Mexico, you should be really scared, that just at south of the city there are 5 starbucks, I don&#8217;t know about the rest of the city!<br />
 <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Barton Paul Levenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barton Paul Levenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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