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	<title>Comments on: XKCD has SETI&#8217;s number</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Lugosi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/15/xkcd-has-setis-number/comment-page-1/#comment-70641</link>
		<dc:creator>Lugosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about his equations, but that Drake guy makes some great a href=&quot;http://www.drakescake.com/&quot;&gt;coffee cakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about his equations, but that Drake guy makes some great a href=&#8221;http://www.drakescake.com/&#8221;&gt;coffee cakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Martin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/15/xkcd-has-setis-number/comment-page-1/#comment-70640</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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Nemoon said:

&quot;I don’t know the context, but that sounds more like an argument used to justify the project to incurious people than his own reason for doing it.&quot;

That may be why Drake said such a thing, but that doesn&#039;t justify resorting to it tactically. I&#039;d consider doing so to be disingenuous, and careless. It&#039;s like what Feynman said when some physicist fretted about how to convince the public into supporting funding for expensive accelerator labs. The gentleman in question wanted to assure the public that there must be practical spinoffs from such endeavors which will benefit the less basically curious among the taxpayers. Feynman&#039;s take was that if there are no such spinoffs, then it&#039;s dishonest to insist that there are. The public have some entitlement to know the real relationship between their dollars and where those dollars go, to allow them to make well-informed decisions as to what they think amounts to acceptable investments.

And so, assuming that SETI can make no promises as to return on investment, it would be effectively a lie to say otherwise just to gather funding. Telling people what they want to hear instead of the truth is called &quot;gaining their confidence&quot;, and is used by criminal-types routinely to sell anything from siding to used cars to pocket fishermen. It&#039;s not scientifically honest.

There are only certain circumstances in which I&#039;d agree with scamming people. Finding one&#039;s self trapped in a Nazi concentration camp is one such circumstance. Soliciting money from those whom you ostensibly respect is not.</description>
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Nemoon said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t know the context, but that sounds more like an argument used to justify the project to incurious people than his own reason for doing it.&#8221;</p>
<p>That may be why Drake said such a thing, but that doesn&#8217;t justify resorting to it tactically. I&#8217;d consider doing so to be disingenuous, and careless. It&#8217;s like what Feynman said when some physicist fretted about how to convince the public into supporting funding for expensive accelerator labs. The gentleman in question wanted to assure the public that there must be practical spinoffs from such endeavors which will benefit the less basically curious among the taxpayers. Feynman&#8217;s take was that if there are no such spinoffs, then it&#8217;s dishonest to insist that there are. The public have some entitlement to know the real relationship between their dollars and where those dollars go, to allow them to make well-informed decisions as to what they think amounts to acceptable investments.</p>
<p>And so, assuming that SETI can make no promises as to return on investment, it would be effectively a lie to say otherwise just to gather funding. Telling people what they want to hear instead of the truth is called &#8220;gaining their confidence&#8221;, and is used by criminal-types routinely to sell anything from siding to used cars to pocket fishermen. It&#8217;s not scientifically honest.</p>
<p>There are only certain circumstances in which I&#8217;d agree with scamming people. Finding one&#8217;s self trapped in a Nazi concentration camp is one such circumstance. Soliciting money from those whom you ostensibly respect is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Cusp</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/15/xkcd-has-setis-number/comment-page-1/#comment-70639</link>
		<dc:creator>Cusp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick look at ADS shows that the Drake equation isn&#039;t taken seriously by the astro community - the xkcd frame nicely identifies this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick look at ADS shows that the Drake equation isn&#8217;t taken seriously by the astro community &#8211; the xkcd frame nicely identifies this.</p>
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		<title>By: KaiYves</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/15/xkcd-has-setis-number/comment-page-1/#comment-70629</link>
		<dc:creator>KaiYves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just not one of those people who thinks being mean to good people is funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just not one of those people who thinks being mean to good people is funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Reflexión sobre la ecuciaón de Drake</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/15/xkcd-has-setis-number/comment-page-1/#comment-70630</link>
		<dc:creator>Reflexión sobre la ecuciaón de Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Frank Drake (es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecuaci%C3%B3n_de_Drake). Versiçon censurada en Bad Astronomy (www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2008/02/15/xkcd-has-setis-number/). Versión original en inglés: xkcd.com/384/&#160;sin comentarios en: ocio, friqui karma: 20 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Frank Drake (es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecuaci%C3%B3n_de_Drake). Versiçon censurada en Bad Astronomy (www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2008/02/15/xkcd-has-setis-number/). Versión original en inglés: xkcd.com/384/&nbsp;sin comentarios en: ocio, friqui karma: 20 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom K</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/15/xkcd-has-setis-number/comment-page-1/#comment-70633</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the last variable in the equation was B5 and the joke was going to be about Babylon 5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the last variable in the equation was B5 and the joke was going to be about Babylon 5.</p>
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		<title>By: Nashville Guy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/15/xkcd-has-setis-number/comment-page-1/#comment-70638</link>
		<dc:creator>Nashville Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an XKCD fan, I urge those of you who are disappointed with the comic to be sure to check out the &quot;blag&quot; -- Munroe is a SETI supporter, as he makes clear there, and I&#039;d say he supports expanding our efforts there.  Plus he also has a pretty cool posting on solar sails and a dyson sphere. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an XKCD fan, I urge those of you who are disappointed with the comic to be sure to check out the &#8220;blag&#8221; &#8212; Munroe is a SETI supporter, as he makes clear there, and I&#8217;d say he supports expanding our efforts there.  Plus he also has a pretty cool posting on solar sails and a dyson sphere. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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