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	<title>Comments on: SpySat stuff</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: JediBear</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/21/spysat-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-71920</link>
		<dc:creator>JediBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hitting a scud and a sat are definately different problems. If you can put a sat up, you should be able to hit it.

By the same token, an incoming ballistic missile is yet another problem, but it&#039;s good that the US Navy has demonstrated the ability to hit a satellite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hitting a scud and a sat are definately different problems. If you can put a sat up, you should be able to hit it.</p>
<p>By the same token, an incoming ballistic missile is yet another problem, but it&#8217;s good that the US Navy has demonstrated the ability to hit a satellite.</p>
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		<title>By: Shamus Writes &#187; Link Roundup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shamus Writes &#187; Link Roundup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] SpySat stuff &#8211; Is it bad that I ignored all news about the US government shooting a missile at the spy satellite until Phil posted about it (as I knew he would)? Sorry, I just don&#8217;t trust the information given back on this sort of thing until I see it on the Bad Astronomy blog, and I have even less use for most of the unnecessary drama that surrounded this particular event. Why must the media blow stuff like this out of proportion? I appreciate Phil&#8217;s level-headed presentation of the facts. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] SpySat stuff &#8211; Is it bad that I ignored all news about the US government shooting a missile at the spy satellite until Phil posted about it (as I knew he would)? Sorry, I just don&#8217;t trust the information given back on this sort of thing until I see it on the Bad Astronomy blog, and I have even less use for most of the unnecessary drama that surrounded this particular event. Why must the media blow stuff like this out of proportion? I appreciate Phil&#8217;s level-headed presentation of the facts. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DanQuail</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/21/spysat-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-71918</link>
		<dc:creator>DanQuail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with hitting a Scud, as compared with the satellite, is that the Scud is powered so that the trajectory is unknown and even more significant is that a kinetic impact at low altitude is not at a velocity sufficient to destroy it.  Since the Scud guidance is so bad anyway, hitting it simply breaks it up and scatters debris over a wider area and can cause as much damage as if it were not hit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with hitting a Scud, as compared with the satellite, is that the Scud is powered so that the trajectory is unknown and even more significant is that a kinetic impact at low altitude is not at a velocity sufficient to destroy it.  Since the Scud guidance is so bad anyway, hitting it simply breaks it up and scatters debris over a wider area and can cause as much damage as if it were not hit.</p>
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		<title>By: epawtows</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/21/spysat-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-71917</link>
		<dc:creator>epawtows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>StevoR,
     There are treaties banning the deployment of nuclear weapons in space (or &quot;weapons of mass destruction&quot;, but the only sorts of those that make any sense in space are nuclear) but very little about conventional weapons.

Technically, conventional weapons have been sent into space ever since astronauts starting bringing survival kits with them (most contained a pistol).  The Russians experimented with cannons on some of their early stations (the experiments were, for the most part, unsuccessful).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StevoR,<br />
     There are treaties banning the deployment of nuclear weapons in space (or &#8220;weapons of mass destruction&#8221;, but the only sorts of those that make any sense in space are nuclear) but very little about conventional weapons.</p>
<p>Technically, conventional weapons have been sent into space ever since astronauts starting bringing survival kits with them (most contained a pistol).  The Russians experimented with cannons on some of their early stations (the experiments were, for the most part, unsuccessful).</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Siefert</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/21/spysat-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-71916</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Siefert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Denmark we have a secret weapon against spy satellites: http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/article.php/id-10536941.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Denmark we have a secret weapon against spy satellites: <a href="http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/article.php/id-10536941.html" rel="nofollow">http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/article.php/id-10536941.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hank Roberts</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/21/spysat-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-71915</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone stepped through the intercept movie and described what&#039;s happening?  Or are there frames missing from the online video?  I see dots, I see something appearing to split up and a blip go backward around intercept time -- but it&#039;s jumpy.  I read this is a 3-stage missile, saw one staging I think in the launch video, but what&#039;s puzzling is the sequence just before and at the intercept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone stepped through the intercept movie and described what&#8217;s happening?  Or are there frames missing from the online video?  I see dots, I see something appearing to split up and a blip go backward around intercept time &#8212; but it&#8217;s jumpy.  I read this is a 3-stage missile, saw one staging I think in the launch video, but what&#8217;s puzzling is the sequence just before and at the intercept.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks JB</description>
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		<title>By: Physics&#8217;s Talk: SpySat.. &#187; Science Discoveries . net</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/21/spysat-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-71913</link>
		<dc:creator>Physics&#8217;s Talk: SpySat.. &#187; Science Discoveries . net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] SpySat stuff So what happened? At 10:26 pm Eastern time last night, the USS Lake Erie, an Aegis warship, shot a Standard Missile 3 (SM3) at the satellite, and a direct hit was recorded 247 kilometers (150 miles) above the Pacific ocean. &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] SpySat stuff So what happened? At 10:26 pm Eastern time last night, the USS Lake Erie, an Aegis warship, shot a Standard Missile 3 (SM3) at the satellite, and a direct hit was recorded 247 kilometers (150 miles) above the Pacific ocean. &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/21/spysat-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-71912</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, all the political issues aside: That explosion looked pretty damn cool. Is there any other footage of explosions in outer space/LEO? I know of the &quot;Starfish Prime&quot; tests from &#039;63, but it seems that there are hardly any decent photos of it out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, all the political issues aside: That explosion looked pretty damn cool. Is there any other footage of explosions in outer space/LEO? I know of the &#8220;Starfish Prime&#8221; tests from &#8217;63, but it seems that there are hardly any decent photos of it out there.</p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/21/spysat-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-71911</link>
		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren’t there some serious issues here with the international (UN?) law on space - in terms of not militarizing space or using it for aggressive military purposes?

Wasn&#039;t there a space law / treaty that banned this kind of thing?

Ok, they&#039;ve used the excuse of the hydrazine but c&#039;mon who believes that was the _real_ or main reason for this? Not me - &amp; more importantly I don&#039;t think China or Russia either...

I don&#039;t like where this may be leading us all. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren’t there some serious issues here with the international (UN?) law on space &#8211; in terms of not militarizing space or using it for aggressive military purposes?</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t there a space law / treaty that banned this kind of thing?</p>
<p>Ok, they&#8217;ve used the excuse of the hydrazine but c&#8217;mon who believes that was the _real_ or main reason for this? Not me &#8211; &amp; more importantly I don&#8217;t think China or Russia either&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like where this may be leading us all. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/21/spysat-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-71910</link>
		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, Phil shouldn&#039;t it be _*Ex*_ Spy Sat stuff now? ;-)

I&#039;ve got mixed feelings about this  &amp; don&#039;t really know whether to congratulate the folks involved for achieving an impressive technological feat with such good execution and accuracy or condemn them for the further militarisation of space and the negative implications this has - diplomatically and for space usage &amp; exploration generally. :-~

I am glad of one thing though - at least unlike in &#039;Futurama&#039; they didn&#039;t miss the real target and blow up Hubble by mistake! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, Phil shouldn&#8217;t it be _*Ex*_ Spy Sat stuff now? <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got mixed feelings about this  &amp; don&#8217;t really know whether to congratulate the folks involved for achieving an impressive technological feat with such good execution and accuracy or condemn them for the further militarisation of space and the negative implications this has &#8211; diplomatically and for space usage &amp; exploration generally. :-~</p>
<p>I am glad of one thing though &#8211; at least unlike in &#8216;Futurama&#8217; they didn&#8217;t miss the real target and blow up Hubble by mistake! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/21/spysat-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-71909</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone else hear Richard Hoagland on C2C last night.  He had he knew for sure this was just to send a message to China and Russia that if they tried to bring back alien artifacts from the moon we would blow them out of the sky.  This guy has fallen even deeper off the deep end. lol  George Noory really should distance himself from this guy before it&#039;s too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone else hear Richard Hoagland on C2C last night.  He had he knew for sure this was just to send a message to China and Russia that if they tried to bring back alien artifacts from the moon we would blow them out of the sky.  This guy has fallen even deeper off the deep end. lol  George Noory really should distance himself from this guy before it&#8217;s too late.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw what was probably a piece entering last night.  Just caught a glimpse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw what was probably a piece entering last night.  Just caught a glimpse.</p>
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		<title>By: Grand Lunar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grand Lunar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It didn&#039;t take long for some &quot;bad astronomy&quot; to make it&#039;s rounds, Phil.

Hosts on a hip-hop radio station discussed this event.
They questioned the cost of the task, amongst other things.

But one thing that stood out was a question that I can only hope was made in jest.
They wondered why the Atlantis could&#039;ve have swept by the sattelite and pick it up on the way home.

I can imagine the less informed listeners might take this seriously.
Think you can make a blog entry covering this and other issues in the aftermath of this event?

Oh yes, the vido doesn&#039;t play for me. It turns into one of those &quot;This page cannot be displayed&quot;.
Was the video taken down, or is my computer being stubborn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It didn&#8217;t take long for some &#8220;bad astronomy&#8221; to make it&#8217;s rounds, Phil.</p>
<p>Hosts on a hip-hop radio station discussed this event.<br />
They questioned the cost of the task, amongst other things.</p>
<p>But one thing that stood out was a question that I can only hope was made in jest.<br />
They wondered why the Atlantis could&#8217;ve have swept by the sattelite and pick it up on the way home.</p>
<p>I can imagine the less informed listeners might take this seriously.<br />
Think you can make a blog entry covering this and other issues in the aftermath of this event?</p>
<p>Oh yes, the vido doesn&#8217;t play for me. It turns into one of those &#8220;This page cannot be displayed&#8221;.<br />
Was the video taken down, or is my computer being stubborn?</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ricardo, looks like is was filmed using an IR pod mounted on an observation aircraft.  If the aircraft is sufficiently far away with a good zoom, than it can pan up with the rocket with a relatively small arc length.  (Thus is looks like it is rising quickly, but instead is just 35,000ft up 15-20miles away)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ricardo, looks like is was filmed using an IR pod mounted on an observation aircraft.  If the aircraft is sufficiently far away with a good zoom, than it can pan up with the rocket with a relatively small arc length.  (Thus is looks like it is rising quickly, but instead is just 35,000ft up 15-20miles away)</p>
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		<title>By: Ricardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone explain me how did they filmed the missile ascent?

It looks like they fired another missile to go parallel to the one targeting the satellite but with a camera, because it’s ascending too.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone explain me how did they filmed the missile ascent?</p>
<p>It looks like they fired another missile to go parallel to the one targeting the satellite but with a camera, because it’s ascending too.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/02/21/spysat-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-71904</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in Atlanta, GA and was out taking photos of the eclipse and out of the corner of my eye saw something streaking from North to South. Not sure what time it was exactly, but it was 10:30-45-ish. Probably nothing USA 193 related, but it would be neat if it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in Atlanta, GA and was out taking photos of the eclipse and out of the corner of my eye saw something streaking from North to South. Not sure what time it was exactly, but it was 10:30-45-ish. Probably nothing USA 193 related, but it would be neat if it was.</p>
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		<title>By: Spy Satellite video. &#171; The Dark Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spy Satellite video. &#171; The Dark Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Evolving Squid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evolving Squid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang... cookies required to view the video.  I guess I have to wait until it pops up somewhere cookie free.</description>
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		<title>By: Konan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Konan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa.  I was not talking about intercepting high tech ABMs protected by decoys and such.  Just the warmed over V2 type junk that Saddam was shooting.  Had the software been ready for the missile at the time of the war, the results would have been far better.  And, despite other&#039;s comments, the time frame for reacting (for a Scud type) is practically forever.  To the system in control, 99% of the time from detection is just waiting for the launch window.  The computer probably surfs the &#039;Net just to be doing something.  Remember, both the JSTARS and the EWACs saw them lift off.  The launch control person, just has to remember to flip the ON switch.  (Ok, there is a lot more for them to do than that, but the computer(s) do the job, not somebody at a joystick.)

The satellite interception problem is tough in a different way.  The target course and schedule is fully known, but the energy requirements are far higher and the calculation times are much shorter in the terminal mode.

There is a good write up on the problem at http://www.egwald.com/optimalcontrol/missileintercept.php
(If you like math).

Konan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa.  I was not talking about intercepting high tech ABMs protected by decoys and such.  Just the warmed over V2 type junk that Saddam was shooting.  Had the software been ready for the missile at the time of the war, the results would have been far better.  And, despite other&#8217;s comments, the time frame for reacting (for a Scud type) is practically forever.  To the system in control, 99% of the time from detection is just waiting for the launch window.  The computer probably surfs the &#8216;Net just to be doing something.  Remember, both the JSTARS and the EWACs saw them lift off.  The launch control person, just has to remember to flip the ON switch.  (Ok, there is a lot more for them to do than that, but the computer(s) do the job, not somebody at a joystick.)</p>
<p>The satellite interception problem is tough in a different way.  The target course and schedule is fully known, but the energy requirements are far higher and the calculation times are much shorter in the terminal mode.</p>
<p>There is a good write up on the problem at <a href="http://www.egwald.com/optimalcontrol/missileintercept.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.egwald.com/optimalcontrol/missileintercept.php</a><br />
(If you like math).</p>
<p>Konan</p>
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		<title>By: ToSeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>ToSeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coverage of debris sighting at MSNBC:

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/21/688746.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coverage of debris sighting at MSNBC:</p>
<p><a href="http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/21/688746.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/21/688746.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: blf</title>
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		<dc:creator>blf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Konan pointed out:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Actually, the amazing thing is not the shootdown of an object in low Earth orbit - after all, the Chinese can do it.  Probably Russia also and anybody else that want to spend the R[&amp;]D money.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Both the Soviet Union and the USA tested ASAT more than 20 years ago.  The USA once, in 1985; the Soviets before that (the USA program, apparently cancelled a few years later, was a panic-ish response to the Soviet test(s?)).

The bigger of the two Chinas is simply the third and latest country to have tested an ASAT.

As others have pointed out, it&#039;s not difficult to destroy a satellite.  You know, with the help of Newton, exactly where the fecking thing is going to be at any given time.  &quot;All&quot; you have to do is put something else in the same place at the same time.

Destroying an incoming missile/warhead (ABM) is very different.  You haven&#039;t got much warning, the &quot;best&quot; are built to maneuver (albeit limited), they deploy decoys and other countermeasures, and for the most part you only get one chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Konan pointed out:</p>
<blockquote><p>Actually, the amazing thing is not the shootdown of an object in low Earth orbit &#8211; after all, the Chinese can do it.  Probably Russia also and anybody else that want to spend the R[&amp;]D money.</p></blockquote>
<p>Both the Soviet Union and the USA tested ASAT more than 20 years ago.  The USA once, in 1985; the Soviets before that (the USA program, apparently cancelled a few years later, was a panic-ish response to the Soviet test(s?)).</p>
<p>The bigger of the two Chinas is simply the third and latest country to have tested an ASAT.</p>
<p>As others have pointed out, it&#8217;s not difficult to destroy a satellite.  You know, with the help of Newton, exactly where the fecking thing is going to be at any given time.  &#8220;All&#8221; you have to do is put something else in the same place at the same time.</p>
<p>Destroying an incoming missile/warhead (ABM) is very different.  You haven&#8217;t got much warning, the &#8220;best&#8221; are built to maneuver (albeit limited), they deploy decoys and other countermeasures, and for the most part you only get one chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Smoak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Smoak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that USA 193 was shot over the Pacific Ocean-but looking at the orbit the debris I guess could be seen where we are....not sure.   See heaven&#039;s above link
http://www.heavens-above.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that USA 193 was shot over the Pacific Ocean-but looking at the orbit the debris I guess could be seen where we are&#8230;.not sure.   See heaven&#8217;s above link<br />
<a href="http://www.heavens-above.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.heavens-above.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pieter Kok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pieter Kok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think this is nearly as difficult as shooting a scud out of the sky with a patriot. The satellite is much larger, and the relative velocities are lower (I think).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this is nearly as difficult as shooting a scud out of the sky with a patriot. The satellite is much larger, and the relative velocities are lower (I think).</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Siefert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Siefert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Remember when shooting a primitive target like a Scud by a Patriot missile was a big deal? This is several orders of magnitude above that in difficulty. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

You can&#039;t compare this to a Scud. Nobody announces when they fire a Scud, to destroy one you depend on a warning system to detect the missile. Once detected you only have a narrow time frame to put your pants on aim and fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Remember when shooting a primitive target like a Scud by a Patriot missile was a big deal? This is several orders of magnitude above that in difficulty. </p></blockquote>
<p>You can&#8217;t compare this to a Scud. Nobody announces when they fire a Scud, to destroy one you depend on a warning system to detect the missile. Once detected you only have a narrow time frame to put your pants on aim and fire.</p>
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