But anyway, I thought I’d throw in my 2 cents, and tell you that it’s pretty obvious to me what that “certified Christian” logo is referring to.

There’s a very well-known, very heavily-marketed web-based singles-matching service. (Yeah I could just say the name but I’m not going to.) You see their ads on TV all the time. Also, they have ad banners on almost every Christian website.

Well, this particular .com started as a CHRistian dating service. That’s how they advertised themselves, and they got LOTS of free publicity from well-know Christian organizations.

But some time ago – perhaps a few months (?) before the date of your post – they decided that they No Longer wished to be considered a Christian service. That they wished to DISsociate themselves from the well-known and well-respected groups who had given them so much free publicity. That they were no longer Christian. They sent this in letter to the organizations that had previously lauded them. Which groups published the letter (“with sadness”) — and left it at that.

So. The people who heard this announcement on the radio – ONE TIME – know that ________.com is no longer a Christian Dating Service. Everyone who missed the announcement, doesn’t know that. And if you google Christian Singles, you quickly encounter ________.com’s banner ads.

In other words, ________.com is Very Well Known, and many Christians still believe that it’s a christian dating service. But it’s not, by their own decision and announcement.

A number of people, such as myself, still feel rather miffed about this whole thing. eH______.com used Christians as a niche market to grow, pretending to be a Christian business developed to help Christians, and then, once there were more profits to made elsewhere, publicly dumped us.

And, now, they still continue to advertise on Christian websites. They’ve dumped Christians, but still want business from those who will come to them just because they’re supposedly a Christian group.

Given this situation, to me, “Certified Christian” makes perfect sense as a logo on a singles website. They’re saying, YES, we DO claim to be Christian. We don’t apologize for it, and we seek your business AS Christians, not as a group ashamed to name the name of Christ.

[[Following the bible is quite difficult, really. I’d have to wear only certain types of fabrics, grow a long beard, etc. Women have to have their heads covered. I’d have to stone adulterers.]]

How do you explain the fact that everyone who follows a Bible-based religion nowadays (Jews, Christians, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc.) does not, in fact, stone adulterers?

Have you read the whole book? All the way through?

Have you even read the legal section you’re quoting? Any capital crime required two eyewitnesses. The Jews in first century Jerusalem felt that any Sanhedrin that executed a man more often than once in seventy years was a harsh and judgmental Sanhedrin.

[[If Dr. Phil mentions 1987A again, you might want to step out for a smoke or something, since its existence burns a bunch of holes in the Bible and apparently produces “the Blue Screen of Death” on the face of its fans. Please argue about your book elsewhere.]]

Didn’t do that for me. I fail to see the connection between SN1987A (not “1987A”) and anything the Bible says.

I won’t argue about my book here if people here don’t misrepresent what my book says. Fair enough?

Beside the fact that ALL dating websites are retarded, this one is particularly high on the retardation list. It’s prehistoric and close-minded. Also lacks a lot of PC. I mean, if you’re gay you can’t be christian? I know a couple gay christians myself. Also, what is a CERTIFIED CHRISTIAN (The whole point of this blog post)? How do they check that you are a CERTIFIED CHRISTIAN? Do you have to be ultra fundamentalist or the folks that don’t go to church and don’t quite follow the bible and yet believe in christ also qualify?

Seriously. The owners of the site are dumb to me.

I could understand it if it were about “christians” trying to get religion taught as science in the public schools, or even the idiocy of “seeing” christ in a potato chip, but it’s not about those type of “things” at all.

I am of the opinion that anyone can believe anything they wish as long as they don’t try and push their beliefs onto others…of course any rational person will agree that creationism/intelligent design has no place in public school science classes…

But this blog seems to be nothing more than an attack against those “stupid christians”, the reasoning being “they are stupid, so lets make fun of them”.

Personally, I’m about the most UN-religious person you’ll ever meet, but I see NO NEED to make fun of people as if it is a form of “entertainment”.

Seriously, Phil…you should be ashamed of yourself for “stooping” so low.

If Dr. Phil mentions 1987A again, you might want to step out for a smoke or something, since its existence burns a bunch of holes in the Bible and apparently produces “the Blue Screen of Death” on the face of its fans. Please argue about your book elsewhere.

…Do you think they check that you are pure and virgin?

LOL, the only thing pure and virgin in my apartment is my olive oil!

[[But he worshiped the same God as you, followed the same Jesus as you,]]

He didn’t follow Jesus at all.

[[ and found his inspiration in and formed his philosophy from the same holy text as you.]]

Really? Hitler followed the Bible? How do you suppose he interpreted John 4:22, where Jesus says “salvation is from the Jews?” Or Genesis 12, where God promises to curse those who curse the Jews?

[[ He was born, baptised, raised a Christian. He self-identified as a Christian.]]

No, he did not.

Hitler was a man who was followed around by photographers for more than twenty years. There must be thousands, possibly tens of thousands, of photographs of the man. Can you find even one photograph of him attending mass? Or any worship service?

[[Asserting that Hitler was (not) a Christian is with overwhelming probability a gross simplification.]]

Christians don’t compare Christianity to venereal disease or say that it’s an invention of sick brains.

Found it!

It reminds me of these ads in the Yellow Pages for “genuine” psychics. Ah, it’s so clear to me now: every psychic that doesn’t use the word “genuine” is a big fat phony! I think they would be better off saying “Don’t call us, we’ll call you.” — that would increase their credibility!

But it puzzles me when Christians say things like “Those people worship Jesus but don’t believe in a 6-day Creation, so they’re not Real Christians™.”

or

“Oh, so your friend was a devout Christian, and then renounced his faith and became an atheist? Then obviously he never was a Real Christian™ to begin with.”

Sounds like the No True Scotsman fallacy to me. As far as I’m concerned, Christians come in many flavours. Most taste like ice cream, some taste like broccoli, and a few taste like dog dirt. They don’t all get along with each other, but they all share at least a few things in common.

Those would be the virgins. Of course that would make them red-hot dating material. Simple to check in some cases, too.

I’m surprised I have to explain these things.

George

From the site:

“Equally Yoked© is the only company that presently requires its consultants to pass a course study on relationships and personal wellness.”

In other words, their consultants must be Certified Christian?

“The Equally Yoked© member is above average in discretionary income.”

…which is always important to know when you’re looking for a godly relationship.

Ridiculous.

Yikes.

Damn you Godwins Law, Damn you to Hell!

Oh, so you’re saying he wasn’t a True Scotsm… er Christian.

If you value quotes attributed to Hitler, from second hand , questionable sources over the man’s own recorded and documented statements, I guess there’s not much I can do. Yeah, Hitler had issues with “Christianity” (the institution) and spoke out about it, but FFS, he wanted to reform the German Church. As much as Christianity permeated and shaped his Nazism, he wanted Nazism to permeate and shape Christianity. Ever hear of Martin Luther’s “On the Jews and Their Lies”? Compare Luther’s “solution” to Adolf’s. He put prayer in the schools.

Perhaps it’s you that doesn’t follow and explore links you’ve been offered. If the words are hard to accept, there’s a link to a page there with lots of pictures.

Now, if you want to say that your favorite flavor of Christianity differs from Hitler’s, that your interpretation of the faith leads you on a very different path and provides you with a different worldview, well that’s fine and obviously welcome and applauded. If you want to point out the numerous christian individuals and leaders that stood up to him and denounced his acts, fine. But he worshiped the same God as you, followed the same Jesus as you, and found his inspiration in and formed his philosophy from the same holy text as you. He was born, baptised, raised a Christian. He self-identified as a Christian. His interpretation of scripture was a foundation of his perspective and, consequently, actions. Nor (AFAIK) has he been formally excommunicated from the Catholic Church. (Yeah, yeah… latae sententiae/ipso facto, whatever… personally, I’d want to make it super duper extra obvious and unquestionably official-like.)

Not that this is likely to change your mind, but sorry, IMHO you’re stuck with him. He was a monster, but that might be said about many Christians, depending on perspective: Luther, Cromwell, numerous popes, Jim Jones, Phelps and his sleazebag family…

Anyway, enough. I’m sure Phil doesn’t want this crap about that monster dirtying up his blog. Besides, it makes little difference. Even if he weren’t, the overwhelming majority of his followers and those who carried out his plans unquestionably were.

Peace

# Pieter Kokon 29 Feb 2008 at 11:52 am

Hitler was raised a catholic, but wasn’t very religious throughout his life. The wikipedia page has a well-referenced section on his beliefs.

As Chip said, and to add, Nazi soldiers had “God Is With Us” on their belt buckles. Parading religion is a choice that Hitler made and played up. So, what his personal beliefs are really don’t matter in the scheme of things.

If you Google “Hitler and Christianity” you’ll find plenty of evidence for both sides of the argument.

Not terribly important but I find it interesting that on a very simple, basic symbolic level, Hitler’s air force, the WWII Luftwaffe, had Christian cross symbols on the wings of their planes whereas the Allies all had roundels (combinations of blue, white and red colors or with the Americans and Russians; stars,) which remotely symbolize aspects of nature on the wings of their planes. But that’s just a subtle observation. On a more blatant level, there are films and pictures of the Nazi’s taking part in church celebrations and services, so even if one wishes to say Hitler himself was not Christian many of his followers were.

If you’re religious in the Christian sense, you could choose to believe that Nazi church goers were not being true to there faith much as modern hate-mongers who “speak for God” such as James Dobson, Pat Robertson or the late Jerry Falwell are not true to theirs.