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	<title>Comments on: Vulcanoids</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&amp; ..  umm .. Wasn&#039;t  Vulcan supposed to orbit either Tau Ceti or Epsilon Eridani? Can any Trekkies out there tell me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&amp; ..  umm .. Wasn&#8217;t  Vulcan supposed to orbit either Tau Ceti or Epsilon Eridani? Can any Trekkies out there tell me?</p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sayeth # Lugosi on 06 Mar 2008 at 11:44 am  :

&quot;Vulcan is inside the orbit of Mercury? Not surprising. It was extablished in “Amok Time” that Vulcan’s climate is much warmer than Earth’s. Good thing Mr. Spock only gois into heat once every seven years.&quot;

But seven years would come around a *lot* quicker if your &quot;year&quot; is just ... oh, three days or so!

So Spock must be in heat every month or  less!! ;-)

Incidentally, if our Sun had a Hot Jupiter type planet in a 2  or so day orbit - would we be able to see it???

&amp;, if so, what would it look like? (From Earth -  &amp; after all  I gather even Mercury with its 88 (?) day orbit is hard to see, &amp; Copernicus apparently never saw it ..)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sayeth # Lugosi on 06 Mar 2008 at 11:44 am  :</p>
<p>&#8220;Vulcan is inside the orbit of Mercury? Not surprising. It was extablished in “Amok Time” that Vulcan’s climate is much warmer than Earth’s. Good thing Mr. Spock only gois into heat once every seven years.&#8221;</p>
<p>But seven years would come around a *lot* quicker if your &#8220;year&#8221; is just &#8230; oh, three days or so!</p>
<p>So Spock must be in heat every month or  less!! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Incidentally, if our Sun had a Hot Jupiter type planet in a 2  or so day orbit &#8211; would we be able to see it???</p>
<p>&amp;, if so, what would it look like? (From Earth &#8211;  &amp; after all  I gather even Mercury with its 88 (?) day orbit is hard to see, &amp; Copernicus apparently never saw it ..)</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyle G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er...Vulcanoids don&#039;t have pointy ears?</description>
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		<title>By: Lugosi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lugosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vulcan is inside the orbit of Mercury? Not surprising. It was extablished in &quot;Amok Time&quot; that Vulcan&#039;s climate is much warmer than Earth&#039;s. Good thing Mr. Spock only gois into heat once every seven years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vulcan is inside the orbit of Mercury? Not surprising. It was extablished in &#8220;Amok Time&#8221; that Vulcan&#8217;s climate is much warmer than Earth&#8217;s. Good thing Mr. Spock only gois into heat once every seven years.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vulcanoids are not the only thing that Dad Durda is interested in and while none have yet been found, there&#039;s good reason for that - they don&#039;t get far enough from the Sun as seen from Earth to be visible in a dark sky like the rest of the asteroids we have found.  Even the Aten type near-Earth asteroids (which orbit mostly within the orbit of Earth but have aphelia outside of Earth&#039;s orbit and semi-major axis less than Earths) get to 1 AU occasionally where we can see them.  But Vulcanoids would have aphelia less than 1 AU and would never get more than 90 degrees from the sun even if they were borderline Aten asteroids.  Must presumably have aphelia significantly less than 1 AU and therefore don&#039;t get more than a few 10s of degrees from the Sun.  Dan has done some great work which has included flights in FA-18 aircraft (lucky duck!) with cockpit mounted cameras and I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if he hitched a ride on some spacecraft someday with such a camera.  BTW, amongst Dan&#039;s interests are asteroid collisions, asteroid moons, asteroid impacts and he&#039;s also an accomplished space artist as well as a pilot and a cave diver and a good buddy of mine as well as the BAs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vulcanoids are not the only thing that Dad Durda is interested in and while none have yet been found, there&#8217;s good reason for that &#8211; they don&#8217;t get far enough from the Sun as seen from Earth to be visible in a dark sky like the rest of the asteroids we have found.  Even the Aten type near-Earth asteroids (which orbit mostly within the orbit of Earth but have aphelia outside of Earth&#8217;s orbit and semi-major axis less than Earths) get to 1 AU occasionally where we can see them.  But Vulcanoids would have aphelia less than 1 AU and would never get more than 90 degrees from the sun even if they were borderline Aten asteroids.  Must presumably have aphelia significantly less than 1 AU and therefore don&#8217;t get more than a few 10s of degrees from the Sun.  Dan has done some great work which has included flights in FA-18 aircraft (lucky duck!) with cockpit mounted cameras and I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if he hitched a ride on some spacecraft someday with such a camera.  BTW, amongst Dan&#8217;s interests are asteroid collisions, asteroid moons, asteroid impacts and he&#8217;s also an accomplished space artist as well as a pilot and a cave diver and a good buddy of mine as well as the BAs.</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>silence: I&#039;m aware of the detection bias, but that isn&#039;t the issue I was referring to.

The issue is this: it would seem that planets form in a way that fits the largest number of planets possible into the system (indeed, this theory has successfully predicted the existence of planets at the location of 55 Cancri f and HD 74156 d). This leaves open the question of why the innermost planet is not packed in right up against the star, especially given the variety of inward migration processes available. Having a large stable region which could be occupied by planets/asteroids but isn&#039;t is somewhat troubling under this model and perhaps warrants explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>silence: I&#8217;m aware of the detection bias, but that isn&#8217;t the issue I was referring to.</p>
<p>The issue is this: it would seem that planets form in a way that fits the largest number of planets possible into the system (indeed, this theory has successfully predicted the existence of planets at the location of 55 Cancri f and HD 74156 d). This leaves open the question of why the innermost planet is not packed in right up against the star, especially given the variety of inward migration processes available. Having a large stable region which could be occupied by planets/asteroids but isn&#8217;t is somewhat troubling under this model and perhaps warrants explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone else remember the Asimov science essay where he discussed Vulcan, and then &quot;demonstrated&quot; that the ancient Greeks not only knew about the inter-Mercurial planet, but also knew that its existence would eventually be disproved and how?

It went something like this: According to Greek mythology, Cronus knew of a prophecy that he would be destroyed by his own son, so whenever Rhea gave birth he would swallow the child. But when Zeus was born, Rhea hid Zeus and gave Cronus a sack with a stone in it instead. (And indeed Zeus did grow up to defeat Cronus.) One of Zeus&#039;s many acts, mentioned in the Iliad, was to threw Hephaestus down from Mount Olympus, as a punishment.

But Hephaestus is just the Greek name for the Roman god Vulcan. And so we see, he was indeed eventually thrown down from the heavens. And by who? None other than the man indentified as one stone, or in his own native language, &quot;ein Stein&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone else remember the Asimov science essay where he discussed Vulcan, and then &#8220;demonstrated&#8221; that the ancient Greeks not only knew about the inter-Mercurial planet, but also knew that its existence would eventually be disproved and how?</p>
<p>It went something like this: According to Greek mythology, Cronus knew of a prophecy that he would be destroyed by his own son, so whenever Rhea gave birth he would swallow the child. But when Zeus was born, Rhea hid Zeus and gave Cronus a sack with a stone in it instead. (And indeed Zeus did grow up to defeat Cronus.) One of Zeus&#8217;s many acts, mentioned in the Iliad, was to threw Hephaestus down from Mount Olympus, as a punishment.</p>
<p>But Hephaestus is just the Greek name for the Roman god Vulcan. And so we see, he was indeed eventually thrown down from the heavens. And by who? None other than the man indentified as one stone, or in his own native language, &#8220;ein Stein&#8221;.</p>
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