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	<title>Comments on: Bustin&#8217; the science myth</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/17/bustin-the-science-myth/</link>
	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Linkage</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/17/bustin-the-science-myth/#comment-77074</link>
		<dc:creator>Linkage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also for the penny test, they modified a gun to fire a penny at bullet-like speed (1000 ft/sec). Still did nothing, or at least almost nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also for the penny test, they modified a gun to fire a penny at bullet-like speed (1000 ft/sec). Still did nothing, or at least almost nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/17/bustin-the-science-myth/#comment-77073</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yd said:
&#62; I just hate the fact that for every hour episode a large portion is spent repeating what they just said before the commercial - time that could be spent turning a critical eye to what the tests done so far actually tell them or what other tests would be beneficial.

While that does get slightly repetitive, it is a convention to the necessities of the modern TV audience, which is prone to channel flipping and coming in to the show at any point along the way.  The repeats are used to draw in and update these itenerant viewers so they can perhaps get interested in the show.


Mr. Random said:
&#62; So they concluded with “plausible”. They should have said “inconclusive” since their setup could not falsify the technique either.

&#62; In the past “plausible” has been used for tests which got positive results which could fit the myth being tested.

My observation is that "plausible" has been used for everything from "we couldn't outright disprove the possibility" to "we don't know of a confirmed case, but given the right circumstances it could happen".   It seems to me they have self-limited by sticking to the three category rating system.

Bagheera said:
&#62;  I think the thing that some people miss when they dis the science is that Jamie and Adam and the rest aren’t Scientists - they’re Engineers and tech-geeks &lt;i&gt;doing&lt;/i&gt; science. Arguably, that makes them scientists, but Science isn’t their primary area of training.

Actually, I'm not sure what Jamie's training is, but most of them aren't engineers, either. Okay, Grant has a Bachelor's in Electrical Engineering.  The rest are artists and craftsmen (craftspeople? craftspersons? craftisans?).  Yeah, they know how to weld and how to build things, but don't let the professional societies hear you call them engineers. ;-)

Neil said:
&#62; It took them 2 or 3 tries to figure out that a frozen chicken is harder than a thawed chicken, and thus will shatter glass more effectively even when launched at the same force.(If you haven’t seen that episode, it’s not as strange as it sounds!) I can’t seriously believe that anyone who has spent much time launching and detonating things would have trouble with the concept.

To be fair, the biggest difficulty they had was designing a test set up to demonstrate the difference.  They agreed with the concept, but it was the frustrating practical application that was the trick.

&#62; “But hey, what about the penny that gets thrown off a building in a vertical position, avoiding the tumbling that slows it down? Will that put a dent in somebody’s skull?”

The key thing to realize is that &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; falling pennies will tumble.  No matter how carefully you aim the penny to fall flat vertically, any air imbalance and the penny will tumble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yd said:<br />
&gt; I just hate the fact that for every hour episode a large portion is spent repeating what they just said before the commercial - time that could be spent turning a critical eye to what the tests done so far actually tell them or what other tests would be beneficial.</p>
<p>While that does get slightly repetitive, it is a convention to the necessities of the modern TV audience, which is prone to channel flipping and coming in to the show at any point along the way.  The repeats are used to draw in and update these itenerant viewers so they can perhaps get interested in the show.</p>
<p>Mr. Random said:<br />
&gt; So they concluded with “plausible”. They should have said “inconclusive” since their setup could not falsify the technique either.</p>
<p>&gt; In the past “plausible” has been used for tests which got positive results which could fit the myth being tested.</p>
<p>My observation is that &#8220;plausible&#8221; has been used for everything from &#8220;we couldn&#8217;t outright disprove the possibility&#8221; to &#8220;we don&#8217;t know of a confirmed case, but given the right circumstances it could happen&#8221;.   It seems to me they have self-limited by sticking to the three category rating system.</p>
<p>Bagheera said:<br />
&gt;  I think the thing that some people miss when they dis the science is that Jamie and Adam and the rest aren’t Scientists - they’re Engineers and tech-geeks <i>doing</i> science. Arguably, that makes them scientists, but Science isn’t their primary area of training.</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;m not sure what Jamie&#8217;s training is, but most of them aren&#8217;t engineers, either. Okay, Grant has a Bachelor&#8217;s in Electrical Engineering.  The rest are artists and craftsmen (craftspeople? craftspersons? craftisans?).  Yeah, they know how to weld and how to build things, but don&#8217;t let the professional societies hear you call them engineers. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Neil said:<br />
&gt; It took them 2 or 3 tries to figure out that a frozen chicken is harder than a thawed chicken, and thus will shatter glass more effectively even when launched at the same force.(If you haven’t seen that episode, it’s not as strange as it sounds!) I can’t seriously believe that anyone who has spent much time launching and detonating things would have trouble with the concept.</p>
<p>To be fair, the biggest difficulty they had was designing a test set up to demonstrate the difference.  They agreed with the concept, but it was the frustrating practical application that was the trick.</p>
<p>&gt; “But hey, what about the penny that gets thrown off a building in a vertical position, avoiding the tumbling that slows it down? Will that put a dent in somebody’s skull?”</p>
<p>The key thing to realize is that <i>all</i> falling pennies will tumble.  No matter how carefully you aim the penny to fall flat vertically, any air imbalance and the penny will tumble.</p>
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		<title>By: BigBadSis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/17/bustin-the-science-myth/#comment-77072</link>
		<dc:creator>BigBadSis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because of this one post, I've spent more time on wiki this morning learning more about Richard Feynman, Jonathan Coulter, zombies, and code monkeys than I ever thought possible. I hope my boss isn't watching my every computer click... Thanks for all the laughs this morning!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of this one post, I&#8217;ve spent more time on wiki this morning learning more about Richard Feynman, Jonathan Coulter, zombies, and code monkeys than I ever thought possible. I hope my boss isn&#8217;t watching my every computer click&#8230; Thanks for all the laughs this morning!</p>
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		<title>By: TierOneGirl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/17/bustin-the-science-myth/#comment-77071</link>
		<dc:creator>TierOneGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zombies+Mythbusters+Stick Figures= Awesome!</description>
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		<title>By: Blake Stacey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/17/bustin-the-science-myth/#comment-77070</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, was disappointed at the lack of a brane/brain pun, but one should recall that Feynman died before the Dirichlet brane was postulated (and, thus, before many of the developments which led to &lt;a href="http://asymptotia.com/2008/03/03/beyond-einstein-fixing-singularities-in-spacetime/" rel="nofollow"&gt;spin-offs in pure mathematics&lt;/a&gt; and other areas of physics outside of quantum gravity).  Then, too, Randall Munroe may have decided that it was beneath his dignity to &lt;a href="http://www.sunclipse.org/?p=470" rel="nofollow"&gt;repeat a joke from &lt;i&gt;User Friendly&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, was disappointed at the lack of a brane/brain pun, but one should recall that Feynman died before the Dirichlet brane was postulated (and, thus, before many of the developments which led to <a href="http://asymptotia.com/2008/03/03/beyond-einstein-fixing-singularities-in-spacetime/" rel="nofollow">spin-offs in pure mathematics</a> and other areas of physics outside of quantum gravity).  Then, too, Randall Munroe may have decided that it was beneath his dignity to <a href="http://www.sunclipse.org/?p=470" rel="nofollow">repeat a joke from <i>User Friendly</i></a>.</p>
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		<title>By: uknesvuinng</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/17/bustin-the-science-myth/#comment-77069</link>
		<dc:creator>uknesvuinng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to the mind-control episode, the plausible verdict had nothing to do with the nose scratch.  "Plausible" was given to the half-hertz magnet test because the EEG showed some interesting variation.  However, as I recall, they gave it a disclaimer that the variation could have just been interference from the magnet on the results an not a measure of something actually happening in the brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to the mind-control episode, the plausible verdict had nothing to do with the nose scratch.  &#8220;Plausible&#8221; was given to the half-hertz magnet test because the EEG showed some interesting variation.  However, as I recall, they gave it a disclaimer that the variation could have just been interference from the magnet on the results an not a measure of something actually happening in the brain.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Random</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/17/bustin-the-science-myth/#comment-77068</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Random</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobcloclimar, I will have to rewatch that episode but I remember coming away with some satisfaction from that episode, particularly when they did find some of the bullets they shot straight up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobcloclimar, I will have to rewatch that episode but I remember coming away with some satisfaction from that episode, particularly when they did find some of the bullets they shot straight up.</p>
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