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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Lonergan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/19/around-the-weird-wide-web/comment-page-1/#comment-77497</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Lonergan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barton, then what is the point of your loving Heavenly Father?  Doesn&#039;t Jesus Himself say that after He leaves, He will send another &quot;Comforter?&quot;  The Spirit?

I left religion for many reasons, one was the fact that I had no reassurance from God.  What&#039;s the point of living life constantly being brow-beaten by an omnipotent thug?  If, as Christians preach, God is my Father, why does He condemn His children to hell for doing something that p***es Him off?  I don&#039;t know if you have children, but I do, and if I treated my children in that way, threatening them with punishment and damnation every time they erred, they would have every right to report me for child abuse.  IMO, the God of the Bible is an abusive, dysfunctional, megalomaniac father that desires to have his huge ego stroked by subservient minions.

BTW, I also believe that most (not all), but most people are intrinsically good.  Unfortunately we never hear about them on the news.  We DO hear about the one&#039;s that are intrinsically evil.  Are they born that way?  Was there something in their environment that turned them that way?  Is there some kind of genetic anomaly in them?  I don&#039;t know.  It&#039;s possible that all of those factors are involved.  I know people that have grown up in the most horrid and abusive homes, people I counseled when I was a minister, even though they had every excuse to be the embodiment of evil, they were extremely good people.  (No, they were not all Christians, either.)  At the opposite end of the scale, there are people (my ex bro-law comes to mind) that grew up in very moral, religious homes that have committed atrocious acts of &quot;evil.&quot;  I don&#039;t really think religion, or &quot;relationship with Jesus&quot; makes an ounce of difference.

We do not need to blame the evil in this world on a potent malevolent fallen angel, the devil.  Things just happen.  The sooner we deal with that reality, instead of turning to a supposedly loving Creator, or blaming a potent force of evil, the better off we will be.

I&#039;m not sure how much trust we can put in the words of a man that believed people with epilepsy were possessed by demons.  I wonder what this man would think of my daughter that has Down syndrome?
I can tell what I would do if such a man told her she was possessed.  Wipe the floor with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barton, then what is the point of your loving Heavenly Father?  Doesn&#8217;t Jesus Himself say that after He leaves, He will send another &#8220;Comforter?&#8221;  The Spirit?</p>
<p>I left religion for many reasons, one was the fact that I had no reassurance from God.  What&#8217;s the point of living life constantly being brow-beaten by an omnipotent thug?  If, as Christians preach, God is my Father, why does He condemn His children to hell for doing something that p***es Him off?  I don&#8217;t know if you have children, but I do, and if I treated my children in that way, threatening them with punishment and damnation every time they erred, they would have every right to report me for child abuse.  IMO, the God of the Bible is an abusive, dysfunctional, megalomaniac father that desires to have his huge ego stroked by subservient minions.</p>
<p>BTW, I also believe that most (not all), but most people are intrinsically good.  Unfortunately we never hear about them on the news.  We DO hear about the one&#8217;s that are intrinsically evil.  Are they born that way?  Was there something in their environment that turned them that way?  Is there some kind of genetic anomaly in them?  I don&#8217;t know.  It&#8217;s possible that all of those factors are involved.  I know people that have grown up in the most horrid and abusive homes, people I counseled when I was a minister, even though they had every excuse to be the embodiment of evil, they were extremely good people.  (No, they were not all Christians, either.)  At the opposite end of the scale, there are people (my ex bro-law comes to mind) that grew up in very moral, religious homes that have committed atrocious acts of &#8220;evil.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t really think religion, or &#8220;relationship with Jesus&#8221; makes an ounce of difference.</p>
<p>We do not need to blame the evil in this world on a potent malevolent fallen angel, the devil.  Things just happen.  The sooner we deal with that reality, instead of turning to a supposedly loving Creator, or blaming a potent force of evil, the better off we will be.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how much trust we can put in the words of a man that believed people with epilepsy were possessed by demons.  I wonder what this man would think of my daughter that has Down syndrome?<br />
I can tell what I would do if such a man told her she was possessed.  Wipe the floor with him.</p>
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		<title>By: Barton Paul Levenson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/19/around-the-weird-wide-web/comment-page-1/#comment-77496</link>
		<dc:creator>Barton Paul Levenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Martin posts:

[[&lt;i&gt;The whole point of religion is to make one feel comforted, reassured, good. That is its agenda.&lt;/i&gt;]]

Right.  My religion, Christianity, makes people feel comforted and reassured by telling them that they&#039;re sinners, and that if they&#039;ve ever refused to help someone who really needed it they&#039;re going to Hell.  Oh, and that every idle word they&#039;ve ever spoken is going to be judged.

How reassuring and comforting can you get?

Jesus Christ did not command his disciples to &quot;Go into the world and tell it that it is quite all right the way it is and has nothing to worry about.&quot;

As far as I can see, it&#039;s the atheists and secular humanists who are the real pollyannas.  The atheists think all human objectives can be achieved through education, and the humanists think human beings are intrinsically good.  You can&#039;t get much more reassuring and comfortable than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Martin posts:</p>
<p>[[<i>The whole point of religion is to make one feel comforted, reassured, good. That is its agenda.</i>]]</p>
<p>Right.  My religion, Christianity, makes people feel comforted and reassured by telling them that they&#8217;re sinners, and that if they&#8217;ve ever refused to help someone who really needed it they&#8217;re going to Hell.  Oh, and that every idle word they&#8217;ve ever spoken is going to be judged.</p>
<p>How reassuring and comforting can you get?</p>
<p>Jesus Christ did not command his disciples to &#8220;Go into the world and tell it that it is quite all right the way it is and has nothing to worry about.&#8221;</p>
<p>As far as I can see, it&#8217;s the atheists and secular humanists who are the real pollyannas.  The atheists think all human objectives can be achieved through education, and the humanists think human beings are intrinsically good.  You can&#8217;t get much more reassuring and comfortable than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Barton Paul Levenson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/19/around-the-weird-wide-web/comment-page-1/#comment-77495</link>
		<dc:creator>Barton Paul Levenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sili posts:

[[&lt;i&gt;I have learned to be wary of anyone who claims that everyone else is lying and that they have all the answers, especially if they claim to exclusively know the truth.

The late Jens Martin Knudsen was wont of using a quote (the attribution escapes me): “Join forces with those that seek the truth, but be wary of those who claim to have found it.”&lt;/i&gt;]]

How can you search for truth if you&#039;re convinced you&#039;ll never find it?  What&#039;s the point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sili posts:</p>
<p>[[<i>I have learned to be wary of anyone who claims that everyone else is lying and that they have all the answers, especially if they claim to exclusively know the truth.</p>
<p>The late Jens Martin Knudsen was wont of using a quote (the attribution escapes me): “Join forces with those that seek the truth, but be wary of those who claim to have found it.”</i>]]</p>
<p>How can you search for truth if you&#8217;re convinced you&#8217;ll never find it?  What&#8217;s the point?</p>
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		<title>By: Faithful reader</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/19/around-the-weird-wide-web/comment-page-1/#comment-77494</link>
		<dc:creator>Faithful reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just emailed both my senators with the following message

&quot;I hope this gets the skewering it deserves as a violation of the First Amendment.

http://brownback.senate.gov/pressapp/record.cfm?id=294777&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just emailed both my senators with the following message</p>
<p>&#8220;I hope this gets the skewering it deserves as a violation of the First Amendment.</p>
<p><a href="http://brownback.senate.gov/pressapp/record.cfm?id=294777" rel="nofollow">http://brownback.senate.gov/pressapp/record.cfm?id=294777</a>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Negligible Knowledge Base</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/19/around-the-weird-wide-web/comment-page-1/#comment-77493</link>
		<dc:creator>Negligible Knowledge Base</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Phil Plait, “Around the Weird Wide Web”, Bad Astronomy Blog, March 20, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Phil Plait, “Around the Weird Wide Web”, Bad Astronomy Blog, March 20, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Yoshi_3up</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/19/around-the-weird-wide-web/comment-page-1/#comment-77492</link>
		<dc:creator>Yoshi_3up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KC:

That &quot;88 reason that the rapture will occur at 1988&quot; was actually made by an ex-NASA scientist. Oh boy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KC:</p>
<p>That &#8220;88 reason that the rapture will occur at 1988&#8243; was actually made by an ex-NASA scientist. Oh boy.</p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/19/around-the-weird-wide-web/comment-page-1/#comment-77491</link>
		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also looked at the end of the world site where I saw this, &quot;1988-OCT-11: Edgar Whisenaut, a NASA scientist, had published the book &quot;88 Reasons why the Rapture will Occur in 1988.&quot; It sold over  4 million copies.&quot;

So much for scientists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also looked at the end of the world site where I saw this, &#8220;1988-OCT-11: Edgar Whisenaut, a NASA scientist, had published the book &#8220;88 Reasons why the Rapture will Occur in 1988.&#8221; It sold over  4 million copies.&#8221;</p>
<p>So much for scientists.</p>
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