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	<title>Comments on: Followup: naked eye gamma-ray burst</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: EH Ooi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/followup-naked-eye-gamma-ray-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-117512</link>
		<dc:creator>EH Ooi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Phil.
I visit your blog once in a while, probably I missed the first announcement on GRB (if any). Maybe I got to start visiting your blog more often. Did you (and other astronomers out there) know about this GRB before hand or was it a coincident that they detected it. What I am trying to say is, were you anticipating this event? If yes and if in future there are more stuffs like that, could you post them early so I may get a chance to see it (although I dont think Singapore is a good place to observe, light pollution). By the way, when is your second book coming out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Phil.<br />
I visit your blog once in a while, probably I missed the first announcement on GRB (if any). Maybe I got to start visiting your blog more often. Did you (and other astronomers out there) know about this GRB before hand or was it a coincident that they detected it. What I am trying to say is, were you anticipating this event? If yes and if in future there are more stuffs like that, could you post them early so I may get a chance to see it (although I dont think Singapore is a good place to observe, light pollution). By the way, when is your second book coming out?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Marking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Marking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Again, I ask. If the amount of energy put out by these things is what makes them difficult to understand, then how does “beaming” solve the problem since it would take more energy to concentrate a beam than is in the beam itself?&quot;

For an isotropic (i.e., in all directions equally) radiator we have:

F = P / (4*pi*r^2)

where F is power flux (watts per square meter), P is power (watts), and r is distance (meters)

For a tightly focused beam:

F = P / (Sigma*r^2)

where Sigma is the solid angle (steradians) of the beam.  Or:

P = Sigma*F*r^2

Sigma = 2*pi*(1 - cos(0.5*theta))

where theta is the full beam width (radians)

For small theta we use a Taylor series approximation:

P = 0.25*pi*theta^2*F*r^2

Thus, if you cut the beam width in half the power needed to produce the given flux (i.e., brightness) goes down by a factor of four.  So small beams are good to project power a long way.  Hope that helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Again, I ask. If the amount of energy put out by these things is what makes them difficult to understand, then how does “beaming” solve the problem since it would take more energy to concentrate a beam than is in the beam itself?&#8221;</p>
<p>For an isotropic (i.e., in all directions equally) radiator we have:</p>
<p>F = P / (4*pi*r^2)</p>
<p>where F is power flux (watts per square meter), P is power (watts), and r is distance (meters)</p>
<p>For a tightly focused beam:</p>
<p>F = P / (Sigma*r^2)</p>
<p>where Sigma is the solid angle (steradians) of the beam.  Or:</p>
<p>P = Sigma*F*r^2</p>
<p>Sigma = 2*pi*(1 &#8211; cos(0.5*theta))</p>
<p>where theta is the full beam width (radians)</p>
<p>For small theta we use a Taylor series approximation:</p>
<p>P = 0.25*pi*theta^2*F*r^2</p>
<p>Thus, if you cut the beam width in half the power needed to produce the given flux (i.e., brightness) goes down by a factor of four.  So small beams are good to project power a long way.  Hope that helps.</p>
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		<title>By: R.K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, the GRB came from roughly the direction of USNOA2 1200-07324239, near the Bootes Void.

http://server6.sky-map.org/starview?object_type=1&amp;object_id=1148174927</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the GRB came from roughly the direction of USNOA2 1200-07324239, near the Bootes Void.</p>
<p><a href="http://server6.sky-map.org/starview?object_type=1&#038;object_id=1148174927" rel="nofollow">http://server6.sky-map.org/starview?object_type=1&#038;object_id=1148174927</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many alien philosophers were explaining how the universe was finely and intelligently tuned to be a hospitable place for conscious life, when they were hit by this?</description>
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		<title>By: Barton Paul Levenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barton Paul Levenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m familiar with the &quot;no molecules of justice&quot; mode of thought; it&#039;s something we hear constantly from the likes of Richard Dawkins.  It&#039;s wrong, though.  Justice can be real even if it&#039;s not made of molecules.  Ditto love.  And God.  If you want to live without those things, feel free, but don&#039;t claim that your nihilism is somehow backed by science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m familiar with the &#8220;no molecules of justice&#8221; mode of thought; it&#8217;s something we hear constantly from the likes of Richard Dawkins.  It&#8217;s wrong, though.  Justice can be real even if it&#8217;s not made of molecules.  Ditto love.  And God.  If you want to live without those things, feel free, but don&#8217;t claim that your nihilism is somehow backed by science.</p>
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		<title>By: dr_lha</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr_lha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark: My explanation was not meant to contain all the arguments for why there are jets are present in GRBs. It is merely one of the simplest arguments for them, i.e. that an object at such a distance could not physically output the amount of energy required if the GRB output its energy uniformly in all directions.

Although its true that GRBs are still poorly understood, as Phil states there are many phenomenological characteristics in GRB afterglows that point towards there being jets in the system.

I would point out that I am not a GRB theorist, but know many that are and the concept to beaming and jets in GRBs is non-controversial these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: My explanation was not meant to contain all the arguments for why there are jets are present in GRBs. It is merely one of the simplest arguments for them, i.e. that an object at such a distance could not physically output the amount of energy required if the GRB output its energy uniformly in all directions.</p>
<p>Although its true that GRBs are still poorly understood, as Phil states there are many phenomenological characteristics in GRB afterglows that point towards there being jets in the system.</p>
<p>I would point out that I am not a GRB theorist, but know many that are and the concept to beaming and jets in GRBs is non-controversial these days.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bad Astronomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bad Astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is quite a bit of evidence of beaming, actually. There is a phenomenon called the jet break, where the material in the beam suddenly slows and the angle of beam widens. This has been seen in many many GRBs, and is excellent evidence that the energy is focused into beams and not emitted in all directions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is quite a bit of evidence of beaming, actually. There is a phenomenon called the jet break, where the material in the beam suddenly slows and the angle of beam widens. This has been seen in many many GRBs, and is excellent evidence that the energy is focused into beams and not emitted in all directions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Dickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Dickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Barton...

Better would have ben &quot;civilization threatened by &lt;em&gt;nearby&lt;/em&gt; star going supernova/GRB.&quot; Then we could have our cake and nuke it, too!

(My coat? the liquid nitrogen one on the far end.
Man, that&#039;s cool....)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Barton&#8230;</p>
<p>Better would have ben &#8220;civilization threatened by <em>nearby</em> star going supernova/GRB.&#8221; Then we could have our cake and nuke it, too!</p>
<p>(My coat? the liquid nitrogen one on the far end.<br />
Man, that&#8217;s cool&#8230;.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the earlier thread on the GRB I said:

“People talk as if it were a fact that GRBs give off their energy in beams (rather than in every direction). I know there was some evidence for beaming recently (I think it was a paper in Nature or Science), but my impression was that the evidence was somewhat sketchy. Has there more evidence generated for the hypothesis that GRBs give off their energy in beams? Just looking at the NASA photograph, it looks like the thing was giving off energy in every direction. Would it take a force much more powerful than the burst itself to direct all that energy into beams?
Thanks for any insight …”

Dr_LHA responded:
“Mark: GRBs basically have to be beamed, otherwise the amount of energy they give off would be too large to explain.”

Thanks for responding Dr. LHA.  That’s the impression I’d gotten also, i.e. the evidence for beaming is scant, but they MUST be beamed otherwise we have no explanation for them.  This is pet peeve of mine so excuse me while I climb onto my soapbox …

“Ahem … All conveyors of science to masses out there in world … PLEASE STOP DOING THIS!!”  That is, please stop giving people the impression that we understand things that we don’t, and then add little qualifiers like “of course there are some details that haven’t been worked out yet …”  This is a curiosity KILLER to aspiring future scientists.  I remember asking probing questions about gravity and electons and such to my high school physics teacher.  He gave the impression that all this stuff has been figured out but it was much too difficult for me to understand.  That basically killed the curiosity and interest I had.  If he had instead said something like, “nobody really understands these things at the most fundamental level, we need people with an interest in these things to study them and figure them out” who knows how my career would have been different.  It seems apparent to me that all we have with regards to GRBs is a couple of barely tenable HYPOTHESES about what causes them.  These hypotheses are probably totally unable to explain the beaming of GRBs (which everyone agrees must be occurring because otherwise we would have no explanation for these things – anybody spot the logical inconsistency here?)

So, if it is true, please just say, “We have no idea what can cause a burst of energy this big. We have a couple of seriously deficient hypotheses that people are working on.”

Again, I ask.  If the amount of energy put out by these things is what makes them difficult to understand, then how does “beaming” solve the problem since it would take more energy to concentrate a beam than is in the beam itself?

I’ll shut-up now and let someone with more knowledge correct/enlighten me.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the earlier thread on the GRB I said:</p>
<p>“People talk as if it were a fact that GRBs give off their energy in beams (rather than in every direction). I know there was some evidence for beaming recently (I think it was a paper in Nature or Science), but my impression was that the evidence was somewhat sketchy. Has there more evidence generated for the hypothesis that GRBs give off their energy in beams? Just looking at the NASA photograph, it looks like the thing was giving off energy in every direction. Would it take a force much more powerful than the burst itself to direct all that energy into beams?<br />
Thanks for any insight …”</p>
<p>Dr_LHA responded:<br />
“Mark: GRBs basically have to be beamed, otherwise the amount of energy they give off would be too large to explain.”</p>
<p>Thanks for responding Dr. LHA.  That’s the impression I’d gotten also, i.e. the evidence for beaming is scant, but they MUST be beamed otherwise we have no explanation for them.  This is pet peeve of mine so excuse me while I climb onto my soapbox …</p>
<p>“Ahem … All conveyors of science to masses out there in world … PLEASE STOP DOING THIS!!”  That is, please stop giving people the impression that we understand things that we don’t, and then add little qualifiers like “of course there are some details that haven’t been worked out yet …”  This is a curiosity KILLER to aspiring future scientists.  I remember asking probing questions about gravity and electons and such to my high school physics teacher.  He gave the impression that all this stuff has been figured out but it was much too difficult for me to understand.  That basically killed the curiosity and interest I had.  If he had instead said something like, “nobody really understands these things at the most fundamental level, we need people with an interest in these things to study them and figure them out” who knows how my career would have been different.  It seems apparent to me that all we have with regards to GRBs is a couple of barely tenable HYPOTHESES about what causes them.  These hypotheses are probably totally unable to explain the beaming of GRBs (which everyone agrees must be occurring because otherwise we would have no explanation for these things – anybody spot the logical inconsistency here?)</p>
<p>So, if it is true, please just say, “We have no idea what can cause a burst of energy this big. We have a couple of seriously deficient hypotheses that people are working on.”</p>
<p>Again, I ask.  If the amount of energy put out by these things is what makes them difficult to understand, then how does “beaming” solve the problem since it would take more energy to concentrate a beam than is in the beam itself?</p>
<p>I’ll shut-up now and let someone with more knowledge correct/enlighten me.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood Herring</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood Herring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another point I intended to mention in my previous post was the inescapable fact that when that GRB went pop it would have wiped out any alien civilizations around it within a huge sphere many tens or even &lt;i&gt;hundreds&lt;/i&gt; of light years across. It was THAT big. You didn&#039;t have to be on a planet orbiting the actual star that exploded to get burned. So Arthur C. Clarke&#039;s story is still 100% valid in my opinion. If you believe that there really is life out there, it is a nigh-on certainty that there is now slightly less life in the vicinity of GRB080319B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point I intended to mention in my previous post was the inescapable fact that when that GRB went pop it would have wiped out any alien civilizations around it within a huge sphere many tens or even <i>hundreds</i> of light years across. It was THAT big. You didn&#8217;t have to be on a planet orbiting the actual star that exploded to get burned. So Arthur C. Clarke&#8217;s story is still 100% valid in my opinion. If you believe that there really is life out there, it is a nigh-on certainty that there is now slightly less life in the vicinity of GRB080319B.</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood Herring</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood Herring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barton Paul Levenson: I (and I suspect most people who post here) know all about stellar evolution, and we also know good SF when we read it. We are able also to distinguish fact from fiction. Clarke&#039;s short story was an excellent work that drove home the concept that the universe has no pity, and no intelligence controlling it. The contention that habitable planets don&#039;t orbit suns that go nova is irrelevant, whether true or not (what do you think will happen to our own Sun in a few billion years anyway? Not that we&#039;ll be around to worry about it.)

The point is also put across eloquently in Terry Pratchett&#039;s story &quot;Hogfather&quot; where towards the end of the book Death explains wearily:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Take the universe and grind it down to the finest powder, and sieve it through the finest sieve, and then show me one atom of justice, one molecule of mercy. And yet, you try to act as if there is some ideal order in the world. As if there is some, some rightness in the universe, by which it may be judged.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

btw I also like the Twilight Zone version of Clarke&#039;s story, in which some sort of poetic consolation is suggested to account for the tragedy of the event. Makes you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barton Paul Levenson: I (and I suspect most people who post here) know all about stellar evolution, and we also know good SF when we read it. We are able also to distinguish fact from fiction. Clarke&#8217;s short story was an excellent work that drove home the concept that the universe has no pity, and no intelligence controlling it. The contention that habitable planets don&#8217;t orbit suns that go nova is irrelevant, whether true or not (what do you think will happen to our own Sun in a few billion years anyway? Not that we&#8217;ll be around to worry about it.)</p>
<p>The point is also put across eloquently in Terry Pratchett&#8217;s story &#8220;Hogfather&#8221; where towards the end of the book Death explains wearily:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Take the universe and grind it down to the finest powder, and sieve it through the finest sieve, and then show me one atom of justice, one molecule of mercy. And yet, you try to act as if there is some ideal order in the world. As if there is some, some rightness in the universe, by which it may be judged.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>btw I also like the Twilight Zone version of Clarke&#8217;s story, in which some sort of poetic consolation is suggested to account for the tragedy of the event. Makes you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Barton Paul Levenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barton Paul Levenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarke&#039;s story was decent enough, but guys, stars that are primaries of habitable planets don&#039;t go nova.  Trust me on this.  I know 8,000 SF stories from 1950 to 1980 were about habitable planets threatened by their suns going nova, but it doesn&#039;t really happen.  Let me know if you want a quick precis of how stellar evolution works and why sunlike stars can&#039;t go nova.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarke&#8217;s story was decent enough, but guys, stars that are primaries of habitable planets don&#8217;t go nova.  Trust me on this.  I know 8,000 SF stories from 1950 to 1980 were about habitable planets threatened by their suns going nova, but it doesn&#8217;t really happen.  Let me know if you want a quick precis of how stellar evolution works and why sunlike stars can&#8217;t go nova.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Moomaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Moomaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently five GRBs went off on the day of Arthur C. Clarke&#039;s death, including that especially gigantic one.  Given that these things probably kill life on every planet within tens of thosands of light-years of them, I found myself thinking of Clarke&#039;s famous story &quot;The Star&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently five GRBs went off on the day of Arthur C. Clarke&#8217;s death, including that especially gigantic one.  Given that these things probably kill life on every planet within tens of thosands of light-years of them, I found myself thinking of Clarke&#8217;s famous story &#8220;The Star&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Star explodes halfway across universe &#171; The Mailman&#8217;s Bag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Star explodes halfway across universe &#171; The Mailman&#8217;s Bag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bad Astronomy has a pretty good writeup on the matter, with more information on the satellite used, including the following information: Swift is a satellite in low Earth orbit, and it sees a large portion of the sky at once. When gamma rays from a GRB are detected by Swift, it immediately (in a few seconds!) sends down the rough coordinates of the burst so other telescopes can observe it as quickly as possible — many GRBs fade to invisibility in seconds. So a telescope looking at the same part of the sky as Swift cuts down even those precious seconds, getting the burst simultaneously in optical light as Swift sees the gamma-rays. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bad Astronomy has a pretty good writeup on the matter, with more information on the satellite used, including the following information: Swift is a satellite in low Earth orbit, and it sees a large portion of the sky at once. When gamma rays from a GRB are detected by Swift, it immediately (in a few seconds!) sends down the rough coordinates of the burst so other telescopes can observe it as quickly as possible — many GRBs fade to invisibility in seconds. So a telescope looking at the same part of the sky as Swift cuts down even those precious seconds, getting the burst simultaneously in optical light as Swift sees the gamma-rays. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood Herring</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood Herring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - can&#039;t resist posting this. Enjoy.

The Greatest SF Story Ever Told
(A Pantoum Tribute to “The Star” by Arthur C. Clarke)

They knew their time had come at last
They understood all things must cease
Their faithful sun was dying fast
They must resign themselves to peace.

They understood all things must cease
Their mighty empire would be lost
They must resign themselves to peace
There would be none to count the cost.

Their mighty empire would be lost
They hoped their art would all be saved
There would be none to count the cost
They locked their treasures deep in caves.

They hoped their art would all be saved
They held each other in their grasp
They locked their treasures deep in caves
Their star pulsed out its dying gasp.

They held each other in their grasp
They knew God would remember them
Their star pulsed out its dying gasp -
Its light was seen in Bethlehem.

© Elwood Herring 26 Feb 2000</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; can&#8217;t resist posting this. Enjoy.</p>
<p>The Greatest SF Story Ever Told<br />
(A Pantoum Tribute to “The Star” by Arthur C. Clarke)</p>
<p>They knew their time had come at last<br />
They understood all things must cease<br />
Their faithful sun was dying fast<br />
They must resign themselves to peace.</p>
<p>They understood all things must cease<br />
Their mighty empire would be lost<br />
They must resign themselves to peace<br />
There would be none to count the cost.</p>
<p>Their mighty empire would be lost<br />
They hoped their art would all be saved<br />
There would be none to count the cost<br />
They locked their treasures deep in caves.</p>
<p>They hoped their art would all be saved<br />
They held each other in their grasp<br />
They locked their treasures deep in caves<br />
Their star pulsed out its dying gasp.</p>
<p>They held each other in their grasp<br />
They knew God would remember them<br />
Their star pulsed out its dying gasp -<br />
Its light was seen in Bethlehem.</p>
<p>© Elwood Herring 26 Feb 2000</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lonergan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/followup-naked-eye-gamma-ray-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-78476</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Lonergan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing... Maybe you will be hearing my last name in the future, but not my first.  It may be my daughter&#039;s.  She could be a part of the first mission to Mars!  But it could easily be your child!   Whatever your religious beliefs, or lack of, please take the time to show your kids the wonders of this Solar system, this Galaxy and this Universe!

i guess this has been a &quot;rant&quot;?  But BA, thanks for bringing the wonder of this weird, wonderful, and seemingly infinite Universe home to us!  I really appreciate your love of what you do!  Thanks, from the bottom of my heart!

I&#039;m not sure how, or if you celebrate Easter, but I hope the Easter Bunny drops many chocolate eggs on you,  Mrs. BA, and the little BA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing&#8230; Maybe you will be hearing my last name in the future, but not my first.  It may be my daughter&#8217;s.  She could be a part of the first mission to Mars!  But it could easily be your child!   Whatever your religious beliefs, or lack of, please take the time to show your kids the wonders of this Solar system, this Galaxy and this Universe!</p>
<p>i guess this has been a &#8220;rant&#8221;?  But BA, thanks for bringing the wonder of this weird, wonderful, and seemingly infinite Universe home to us!  I really appreciate your love of what you do!  Thanks, from the bottom of my heart!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how, or if you celebrate Easter, but I hope the Easter Bunny drops many chocolate eggs on you,  Mrs. BA, and the little BA!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lonergan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/followup-naked-eye-gamma-ray-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-78475</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Lonergan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I have no science training in University.   My college training is in Theology.

But... when I read something like this, all I can say is, &quot;Wow&quot;!  There are really no other words to describe the awesomeness of the Universe.
Many months ago I said that I looked at Saturn&#039;s rings.  We have Hubble&#039;s pics.  But, please, if you have even a small telescope, take the time to find Jupiter, or Saturn, or Mars....

A few years ago when Mars was at it&#039;s closest, I took my then 5 or 6 year old daughter out and aimed my small Meade 3.5 inch scope at Mars.  I could ACTUALLY see the Ice-caps!  later I showed her Jupiter and her 4 moons, then Saturn.... Real time! I was able to show my daughter the wonders of the Universe.  My ex is taking them to church and stuff, ( I used to be a minister, but have &quot;fallen&quot;. That&#039;s fine. I have no problem teaching my daughter what I believe, yet respecting what her mother, who knows zilch about science anyway, believes.  I have the unique advantage of knowing, in a limited sense, both sides of the coin.  At this point my oldest is more interested in Hannah Montana than the latest Mars update!  My youngest is developmentally delayed (Down syndrome).

I guess I want to thank BA for showing me, and in turn, through me, my kids the wonders of Space! BA you are one of my heroes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I have no science training in University.   My college training is in Theology.</p>
<p>But&#8230; when I read something like this, all I can say is, &#8220;Wow&#8221;!  There are really no other words to describe the awesomeness of the Universe.<br />
Many months ago I said that I looked at Saturn&#8217;s rings.  We have Hubble&#8217;s pics.  But, please, if you have even a small telescope, take the time to find Jupiter, or Saturn, or Mars&#8230;.</p>
<p>A few years ago when Mars was at it&#8217;s closest, I took my then 5 or 6 year old daughter out and aimed my small Meade 3.5 inch scope at Mars.  I could ACTUALLY see the Ice-caps!  later I showed her Jupiter and her 4 moons, then Saturn&#8230;. Real time! I was able to show my daughter the wonders of the Universe.  My ex is taking them to church and stuff, ( I used to be a minister, but have &#8220;fallen&#8221;. That&#8217;s fine. I have no problem teaching my daughter what I believe, yet respecting what her mother, who knows zilch about science anyway, believes.  I have the unique advantage of knowing, in a limited sense, both sides of the coin.  At this point my oldest is more interested in Hannah Montana than the latest Mars update!  My youngest is developmentally delayed (Down syndrome).</p>
<p>I guess I want to thank BA for showing me, and in turn, through me, my kids the wonders of Space! BA you are one of my heroes!</p>
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		<title>By: Magnus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magnus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An obvious nitpick, for the record:
I&#039;m sure it&#039;s not the brightest ever event seen by naked-eye (or could have been seen, it still seems unknown whether anyone was actually looking at the time), just the brightest in the last few years we know about.

And a question:
The NASA page, and the previous page it links to, both say that what&#039;s visible is the afterglow caused by the high energy jets from the (supposed) collapsing star heating up the gas surrounding the GRB.  I&#039;d have thought that the afterglow would emit light in all directions, not just the directions of the jets.. is that wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An obvious nitpick, for the record:<br />
I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s not the brightest ever event seen by naked-eye (or could have been seen, it still seems unknown whether anyone was actually looking at the time), just the brightest in the last few years we know about.</p>
<p>And a question:<br />
The NASA page, and the previous page it links to, both say that what&#8217;s visible is the afterglow caused by the high energy jets from the (supposed) collapsing star heating up the gas surrounding the GRB.  I&#8217;d have thought that the afterglow would emit light in all directions, not just the directions of the jets.. is that wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Mytho</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/followup-naked-eye-gamma-ray-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-78473</link>
		<dc:creator>Mytho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, a moment of silence for all those prokaryotes that died on a galaxy far, far away :(</description>
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		<title>By: SkepticTim</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/followup-naked-eye-gamma-ray-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-78472</link>
		<dc:creator>SkepticTim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 04:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dr_lha: Thanks, I thought that was likely, but I&#039;ve been retired from active astrophysics for a a long time and things have changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dr_lha: Thanks, I thought that was likely, but I&#8217;ve been retired from active astrophysics for a a long time and things have changed.</p>
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		<title>By: IRONMANAustralia</title>
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		<dc:creator>IRONMANAustralia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The single most luminous event ever witnessed by humans?

I see only two realistic explanations:

1.  This is definitely the sign of the end times.  All the previous ones didn&#039;t work out I know - but this is CERTAINLY it.


2.  It could be some Amanda Tapping type scientist chick blowing stars up to protect the Earth from alien invasion.  I mean think about it.  We just happen to see such a huge explosion at this point in history?  What are the odds?

I think the SG-1 series is based on reality, and the show is a Wormhole X-treme style double-bluff by the government.  And Wormhole X-treme itself a triple-bluff to throw us off the track.  It&#039;s the only reasonable explanation.

Phil is probably in on it, by the way.  That&#039;s why he goes to so much trouble to show photos of people with his books.  We are supposed to believe that lots of people are buying them, and that&#039;s where his money comes from - not a big fat cheque from NASA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The single most luminous event ever witnessed by humans?</p>
<p>I see only two realistic explanations:</p>
<p>1.  This is definitely the sign of the end times.  All the previous ones didn&#8217;t work out I know &#8211; but this is CERTAINLY it.</p>
<p>2.  It could be some Amanda Tapping type scientist chick blowing stars up to protect the Earth from alien invasion.  I mean think about it.  We just happen to see such a huge explosion at this point in history?  What are the odds?</p>
<p>I think the SG-1 series is based on reality, and the show is a Wormhole X-treme style double-bluff by the government.  And Wormhole X-treme itself a triple-bluff to throw us off the track.  It&#8217;s the only reasonable explanation.</p>
<p>Phil is probably in on it, by the way.  That&#8217;s why he goes to so much trouble to show photos of people with his books.  We are supposed to believe that lots of people are buying them, and that&#8217;s where his money comes from &#8211; not a big fat cheque from NASA.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Davies</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/followup-naked-eye-gamma-ray-burst/comment-page-1/#comment-78470</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin F: The &quot;Pi of the Sky&quot; page Phil links to has a &quot;scientific&quot; data link at the top.  At the bottom of that page is a SIMBAD link for the position in the sky Right Ascension 14h32&#039;23&quot;, Declination +36°16&#039; which puts it well into the northern sky up near the &quot;top right-hand&quot; side of main part of Bootes.  Hence the mention of this constellation in the first few comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin F: The &#8220;Pi of the Sky&#8221; page Phil links to has a &#8220;scientific&#8221; data link at the top.  At the bottom of that page is a SIMBAD link for the position in the sky Right Ascension 14h32&#8217;23&#8243;, Declination +36°16&#8242; which puts it well into the northern sky up near the &#8220;top right-hand&#8221; side of main part of Bootes.  Hence the mention of this constellation in the first few comments.</p>
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		<title>By: As the BABlogger says&#8230; &#171; Makes Fun of Babies.</title>
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		<dc:creator>As the BABlogger says&#8230; &#171; Makes Fun of Babies.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the BABlogger&#160;says&#8230;  Posted on March 22, 2008 by DW   In a supplemental regarding the GRB, Phil wrote, &#8220;&#8230;given the distance and brightness of the burst, it is most likely the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the BABlogger&nbsp;says&#8230;  Posted on March 22, 2008 by DW   In a supplemental regarding the GRB, Phil wrote, &#8220;&#8230;given the distance and brightness of the burst, it is most likely the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting thought - all Intelligent civilizations on our level would probably their own SWIFT in the sky.  It&#039;s kind of neat that this is something for sure other races all over the universe have gotten excited about, along with the human race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting thought &#8211; all Intelligent civilizations on our level would probably their own SWIFT in the sky.  It&#8217;s kind of neat that this is something for sure other races all over the universe have gotten excited about, along with the human race.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did the burst happen?  North Hemisphere, South?  Constellation?</description>
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