Comments on: PZ Myers and Richard Dawkins talk teh stoopid http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/pz-myers-and-richard-dawkins-talk-teh-stoopid/ I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog. Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:00:46 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Bruce http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/pz-myers-and-richard-dawkins-talk-teh-stoopid/comment-page-2/#comment-78574 Bruce Fri, 02 May 2008 02:35:09 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/pz-myers-and-richard-dawkins-talk-teh-stoopid/#comment-78574 Jessie, I don't get your question. Jessie, I don’t get your question.

]]> By: Jessie http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/pz-myers-and-richard-dawkins-talk-teh-stoopid/comment-page-2/#comment-78573 Jessie Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:29:40 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/pz-myers-and-richard-dawkins-talk-teh-stoopid/#comment-78573 So I'm guessing since you are saying this is not actually what happened, you indicate that you were there.... Is this correct? So I’m guessing since you are saying this is not actually what happened, you indicate that you were there…. Is this correct?

]]> By: Bruce http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/pz-myers-and-richard-dawkins-talk-teh-stoopid/comment-page-1/#comment-78572 Bruce Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:07:59 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/pz-myers-and-richard-dawkins-talk-teh-stoopid/#comment-78572 Pieter you said "Barton, a truly logical route to Christianity would be akin to a proof of the existence of God. It is well known that there is no such thing." You and every other atheist borrow from a Christian worldview to come to logical conclusions - that is the laws of logic themselves. They, not being material, can not be proven or explained from a purely materialistic point of view. There is a great debate between Dr. Greg Bahnsen and a Dr. Gordon Stein at the University of California, Irvine. Dr. Bahnsen's challenge to all to recognize the existence of the laws of logic without explaining their origin exposes a fatal error in any logical argument against the existence of a creator. If you argue a materialistic origin then whose logic to you accept? Christians rely on logic. Christians also have a reason to accept the universality of it. I'm not sure I can see how an atheist can accept the universality of anything that is not material. I saw the movie and think all you who propose to be so solidly against it without seeing it should not be so naive. link to transcript http://www.bellevuechristian.org/faculty/dribera/htdocs/PDFs/Apol_Bahnsen_Stein_Debate_Transcript.pdf link to audio (there are many sites, this one will cost just a penny) https://www.cmfnow.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=23 Pieter you said “Barton, a truly logical route to Christianity would be akin to a proof of the existence of God. It is well known that there is no such thing.” You and every other atheist borrow from a Christian worldview to come to logical conclusions – that is the laws of logic themselves. They, not being material, can not be proven or explained from a purely materialistic point of view. There is a great debate between Dr. Greg Bahnsen and a Dr. Gordon Stein at the University of California, Irvine. Dr. Bahnsen’s challenge to all to recognize the existence of the laws of logic without explaining their origin exposes a fatal error in any logical argument against the existence of a creator. If you argue a materialistic origin then whose logic to you accept? Christians rely on logic. Christians also have a reason to accept the universality of it. I’m not sure I can see how an atheist can accept the universality of anything that is not material.

I saw the movie and think all you who propose to be so solidly against it without seeing it should not be so naive.

link to transcript http://www.bellevuechristian.org/faculty/dribera/htdocs/PDFs/Apol_Bahnsen_Stein_Debate_Transcript.pdf

link to audio (there are many sites, this one will cost just a penny) https://www.cmfnow.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=23

]]> By: quasidog http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/pz-myers-and-richard-dawkins-talk-teh-stoopid/comment-page-1/#comment-78571 quasidog Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:44:34 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/pz-myers-and-richard-dawkins-talk-teh-stoopid/#comment-78571 Celtic_Evolution. No. Actually I make quite a few constructive comments. You have just happened to read 2 of them, which just so happen to be similarly worded. Doug Little. Me and my ilk? What the heck does that mean? Who are my ilk? Is that supposed to be some group I hang with? You don't have a clue what I think or assume. I am also a skeptic, but a true skeptic is skeptical of other skeptics. ;p What I believe in doesn't have any baring on my statement. Calm down. If anything is to be derived from my statements about the moon landing (which I wholeheartedly believe in), or the 'god vs science' debate, is that I just think there is extremist points of view on both sides of both debates, and I find it frustrating and boring. That's all I meant. Just needed to clear that up. Please don't try to pretend to know who I am or what I think. It is just a couple of statements I made. ( I really should see what my (sic) ilk are up to ) Celtic_Evolution.

No.

Actually I make quite a few constructive comments. You have just happened to read 2 of them, which just so happen to be similarly worded.

Doug Little.

Me and my ilk? What the heck does that mean? Who are my ilk? Is that supposed to be some group I hang with? You don’t have a clue what I think or assume. I am also a skeptic, but a true skeptic is skeptical of other skeptics. ;p What I believe in doesn’t have any baring on my statement. Calm down.

If anything is to be derived from my statements about the moon landing (which I wholeheartedly believe in), or the ‘god vs science’ debate, is that I just think there is extremist points of view on both sides of both debates, and I find it frustrating and boring. That’s all I meant. Just needed to clear that up. Please don’t try to pretend to know who I am or what I think. It is just a couple of statements I made.

( I really should see what my (sic) ilk are up to )

]]> By: Pieter Kok http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/pz-myers-and-richard-dawkins-talk-teh-stoopid/comment-page-1/#comment-78570 Pieter Kok Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:59:50 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/pz-myers-and-richard-dawkins-talk-teh-stoopid/#comment-78570 Barton, a truly logical route to Christianity would be akin to a proof of the existence of God. It is well known that there is no such thing. Religion fills an emotional need. There is nothing wrong with that. But don't dress it up as something that it is not. Barton, a truly logical route to Christianity would be akin to a proof of the existence of God. It is well known that there is no such thing.

Religion fills an emotional need. There is nothing wrong with that. But don’t dress it up as something that it is not.

]]> By: Barton Paul Levenson http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/pz-myers-and-richard-dawkins-talk-teh-stoopid/comment-page-1/#comment-78569 Barton Paul Levenson Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:22:14 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/pz-myers-and-richard-dawkins-talk-teh-stoopid/#comment-78569 Shane writes: [[<i>All hamstrung by the religious and philosophical constraints of their times to not take their philosophical thinking to the logical conclusion that there is no god.</i>]] Lewis, like myself, was a convert from atheism. It was because he was willing to see logical arguments through all the way to the end that he had to abandon his atheism, going first to idealism, then theism, then finally Christianity. Shane writes:

[[All hamstrung by the religious and philosophical constraints of their times to not take their philosophical thinking to the logical conclusion that there is no god.]]

Lewis, like myself, was a convert from atheism. It was because he was willing to see logical arguments through all the way to the end that he had to abandon his atheism, going first to idealism, then theism, then finally Christianity.

]]> By: shane http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/pz-myers-and-richard-dawkins-talk-teh-stoopid/comment-page-1/#comment-78568 shane Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:21:16 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/22/pz-myers-and-richard-dawkins-talk-teh-stoopid/#comment-78568 <blockquote>Yeah. Just look at Augustine, Aquinas, William of Ockham, Roger Bacon, Rene Descartes, C.S. Lewis… oh.</blockquote> All great thinkers from the past. All hamstrung by the religious and philosophical constraints of their times to not take their philosophical thinking to the logical conclusion that there is no god. ;-)

Yeah. Just look at Augustine, Aquinas, William of Ockham, Roger Bacon, Rene Descartes, C.S. Lewis… oh.

All great thinkers from the past. All hamstrung by the religious and philosophical constraints of their times to not take their philosophical thinking to the logical conclusion that there is no god. ;-)

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