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	<title>Comments on: Skeptologists</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/</link>
	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/#comment-155306</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened with this program.  Did it never happen.  No money?  What?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened with this program.  Did it never happen.  No money?  What?</p>
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		<title>By: Tonya</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/#comment-79937</link>
		<dc:creator>Tonya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/#comment-79937</guid>
		<description>Love the idea. I would DEFINITELY watch the show, and hope it gets picked up. I'm a huge fan of the "Skeptic's Guide to the Universe" podcast, and think that this type of show deserves a wider audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the idea. I would DEFINITELY watch the show, and hope it gets picked up. I&#8217;m a huge fan of the &#8220;Skeptic&#8217;s Guide to the Universe&#8221; podcast, and think that this type of show deserves a wider audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/#comment-79936</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/#comment-79936</guid>
		<description>KC,

I'm not certain, and perhaps someone else may be able to point to this, but I think that there has been research on the ideomotor effect and video examination, showing very small movements of the muscles/limbs involved.

One aspect of dowsing that contributes to the effectiveness of minute muscle movements is the fact that the dowsing tools are in a state of tension and imbalance.  So, even a tiny movement can cause significant changes in the position of the rod(s).  That is what I have understood about the subject, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KC,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not certain, and perhaps someone else may be able to point to this, but I think that there has been research on the ideomotor effect and video examination, showing very small movements of the muscles/limbs involved.</p>
<p>One aspect of dowsing that contributes to the effectiveness of minute muscle movements is the fact that the dowsing tools are in a state of tension and imbalance.  So, even a tiny movement can cause significant changes in the position of the rod(s).  That is what I have understood about the subject, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/#comment-79935</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/#comment-79935</guid>
		<description>Todd W.

Thanks. "ideomotor" was the word, not microtremors. But what about studying why it seems to work? Has the possibility of subconsciously twisting the wires or limb at a certain point been examined?

See, there's a party trick based on that. Ask someone to hide an object while you're stepped out of the room. Pick someone from the group and hold their hand. Give them whatever spiel you like, but make sure you tell them that they're going to point out out the object. Take their hand and lead them around the room. Usually they'll try to point *away* from the object. Which, of course, leads you right to it.

Behold the power of suggestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd W.</p>
<p>Thanks. &#8220;ideomotor&#8221; was the word, not microtremors. But what about studying why it seems to work? Has the possibility of subconsciously twisting the wires or limb at a certain point been examined?</p>
<p>See, there&#8217;s a party trick based on that. Ask someone to hide an object while you&#8217;re stepped out of the room. Pick someone from the group and hold their hand. Give them whatever spiel you like, but make sure you tell them that they&#8217;re going to point out out the object. Take their hand and lead them around the room. Usually they&#8217;ll try to point *away* from the object. Which, of course, leads you right to it.</p>
<p>Behold the power of suggestion.</p>
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		<title>By: Starr</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/#comment-79931</link>
		<dc:creator>Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/#comment-79931</guid>
		<description>Wow I can't wait it watch ! Sure just as you leave l.a you get a job there doh!   When I read "assembles a group of highly educated and skilled experts to research" I honestly thought they are getting the perfect person  for that !!

How did you get doing that Phil ?

And congrats on the Asteroid name sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow I can&#8217;t wait it watch ! Sure just as you leave l.a you get a job there doh!   When I read &#8220;assembles a group of highly educated and skilled experts to research&#8221; I honestly thought they are getting the perfect person  for that !!</p>
<p>How did you get doing that Phil ?</p>
<p>And congrats on the Asteroid name sake.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/#comment-79934</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/#comment-79934</guid>
		<description>@KC

In regards to dowsing, look up the "ideomotor effect."  James Randi mentions it a lot in his articles, and a number of other researchers have observed the same phenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KC</p>
<p>In regards to dowsing, look up the &#8220;ideomotor effect.&#8221;  James Randi mentions it a lot in his articles, and a number of other researchers have observed the same phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/#comment-79933</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/#comment-79933</guid>
		<description>The problem with mean-spirited is that it turns off all but those who've already agree with the material. Part of the charm of "Mythbusters" is that they aren't mean-spirited - and note that it's a fun show.

The other fun part is that you - and they - never know for sure what they're going to find out. That increases viewer interest. If they only showed the "Busted" myths, then it only takes long enough to see the episode's topics before the average TV viewer will flip the channel. And "Mythbusters" conveys a sense of "being there" in that you see how they set up the tests and the mistakes along with the successes.

Personally, I'd like to see a show take a step beyond proving and disproving, and try to figure out what's going on. Like dousing. The Amazing Randi has done an excellent job in showing that it doesn't actually detect underground objects, but I don't think he ever investigated exactly why it seems to work. Does the mind subconsciously cause microtremors in the hands to make the stick or wires swing over a spot? Say, a person sees a water main out of one corner of his eye, a house in the other, and subconsciously "connects the dots."  Or a certain popular topically applied product that shall remain nameless. The point isn't if it works as they claim, it's whether it works at all, and if so, how? Can it be replicated by a placebo or something that causes a similar sensation?

Just my two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with mean-spirited is that it turns off all but those who&#8217;ve already agree with the material. Part of the charm of &#8220;Mythbusters&#8221; is that they aren&#8217;t mean-spirited - and note that it&#8217;s a fun show.</p>
<p>The other fun part is that you - and they - never know for sure what they&#8217;re going to find out. That increases viewer interest. If they only showed the &#8220;Busted&#8221; myths, then it only takes long enough to see the episode&#8217;s topics before the average TV viewer will flip the channel. And &#8220;Mythbusters&#8221; conveys a sense of &#8220;being there&#8221; in that you see how they set up the tests and the mistakes along with the successes.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d like to see a show take a step beyond proving and disproving, and try to figure out what&#8217;s going on. Like dousing. The Amazing Randi has done an excellent job in showing that it doesn&#8217;t actually detect underground objects, but I don&#8217;t think he ever investigated exactly why it seems to work. Does the mind subconsciously cause microtremors in the hands to make the stick or wires swing over a spot? Say, a person sees a water main out of one corner of his eye, a house in the other, and subconsciously &#8220;connects the dots.&#8221;  Or a certain popular topically applied product that shall remain nameless. The point isn&#8217;t if it works as they claim, it&#8217;s whether it works at all, and if so, how? Can it be replicated by a placebo or something that causes a similar sensation?</p>
<p>Just my two cents.</p>
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