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	<title>Comments on: Skeptologists</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/comment-page-3/#comment-155306</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened with this program.  Did it never happen.  No money?  What?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened with this program.  Did it never happen.  No money?  What?</p>
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		<title>By: Tonya</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/comment-page-3/#comment-79937</link>
		<dc:creator>Tonya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the idea. I would DEFINITELY watch the show, and hope it gets picked up. I&#039;m a huge fan of the &quot;Skeptic&#039;s Guide to the Universe&quot; podcast, and think that this type of show deserves a wider audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the idea. I would DEFINITELY watch the show, and hope it gets picked up. I&#8217;m a huge fan of the &#8220;Skeptic&#8217;s Guide to the Universe&#8221; podcast, and think that this type of show deserves a wider audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/comment-page-3/#comment-79936</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KC,

I&#039;m not certain, and perhaps someone else may be able to point to this, but I think that there has been research on the ideomotor effect and video examination, showing very small movements of the muscles/limbs involved.

One aspect of dowsing that contributes to the effectiveness of minute muscle movements is the fact that the dowsing tools are in a state of tension and imbalance.  So, even a tiny movement can cause significant changes in the position of the rod(s).  That is what I have understood about the subject, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KC,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not certain, and perhaps someone else may be able to point to this, but I think that there has been research on the ideomotor effect and video examination, showing very small movements of the muscles/limbs involved.</p>
<p>One aspect of dowsing that contributes to the effectiveness of minute muscle movements is the fact that the dowsing tools are in a state of tension and imbalance.  So, even a tiny movement can cause significant changes in the position of the rod(s).  That is what I have understood about the subject, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/comment-page-3/#comment-79935</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd W.

Thanks. &quot;ideomotor&quot; was the word, not microtremors. But what about studying why it seems to work? Has the possibility of subconsciously twisting the wires or limb at a certain point been examined?

See, there&#039;s a party trick based on that. Ask someone to hide an object while you&#039;re stepped out of the room. Pick someone from the group and hold their hand. Give them whatever spiel you like, but make sure you tell them that they&#039;re going to point out out the object. Take their hand and lead them around the room. Usually they&#039;ll try to point *away* from the object. Which, of course, leads you right to it.

Behold the power of suggestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd W.</p>
<p>Thanks. &#8220;ideomotor&#8221; was the word, not microtremors. But what about studying why it seems to work? Has the possibility of subconsciously twisting the wires or limb at a certain point been examined?</p>
<p>See, there&#8217;s a party trick based on that. Ask someone to hide an object while you&#8217;re stepped out of the room. Pick someone from the group and hold their hand. Give them whatever spiel you like, but make sure you tell them that they&#8217;re going to point out out the object. Take their hand and lead them around the room. Usually they&#8217;ll try to point *away* from the object. Which, of course, leads you right to it.</p>
<p>Behold the power of suggestion.</p>
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		<title>By: Starr</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/comment-page-3/#comment-79931</link>
		<dc:creator>Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow I can&#039;t wait it watch ! Sure just as you leave l.a you get a job there doh!   When I read &quot;assembles a group of highly educated and skilled experts to research&quot; I honestly thought they are getting the perfect person  for that !!

How did you get doing that Phil ?

And congrats on the Asteroid name sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow I can&#8217;t wait it watch ! Sure just as you leave l.a you get a job there doh!   When I read &#8220;assembles a group of highly educated and skilled experts to research&#8221; I honestly thought they are getting the perfect person  for that !!</p>
<p>How did you get doing that Phil ?</p>
<p>And congrats on the Asteroid name sake.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/comment-page-3/#comment-79934</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@KC

In regards to dowsing, look up the &quot;ideomotor effect.&quot;  James Randi mentions it a lot in his articles, and a number of other researchers have observed the same phenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KC</p>
<p>In regards to dowsing, look up the &#8220;ideomotor effect.&#8221;  James Randi mentions it a lot in his articles, and a number of other researchers have observed the same phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/27/skeptologists/comment-page-3/#comment-79933</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with mean-spirited is that it turns off all but those who&#039;ve already agree with the material. Part of the charm of &quot;Mythbusters&quot; is that they aren&#039;t mean-spirited - and note that it&#039;s a fun show.

The other fun part is that you - and they - never know for sure what they&#039;re going to find out. That increases viewer interest. If they only showed the &quot;Busted&quot; myths, then it only takes long enough to see the episode&#039;s topics before the average TV viewer will flip the channel. And &quot;Mythbusters&quot; conveys a sense of &quot;being there&quot; in that you see how they set up the tests and the mistakes along with the successes.

Personally, I&#039;d like to see a show take a step beyond proving and disproving, and try to figure out what&#039;s going on. Like dousing. The Amazing Randi has done an excellent job in showing that it doesn&#039;t actually detect underground objects, but I don&#039;t think he ever investigated exactly why it seems to work. Does the mind subconsciously cause microtremors in the hands to make the stick or wires swing over a spot? Say, a person sees a water main out of one corner of his eye, a house in the other, and subconsciously &quot;connects the dots.&quot;  Or a certain popular topically applied product that shall remain nameless. The point isn&#039;t if it works as they claim, it&#039;s whether it works at all, and if so, how? Can it be replicated by a placebo or something that causes a similar sensation?

Just my two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with mean-spirited is that it turns off all but those who&#8217;ve already agree with the material. Part of the charm of &#8220;Mythbusters&#8221; is that they aren&#8217;t mean-spirited &#8211; and note that it&#8217;s a fun show.</p>
<p>The other fun part is that you &#8211; and they &#8211; never know for sure what they&#8217;re going to find out. That increases viewer interest. If they only showed the &#8220;Busted&#8221; myths, then it only takes long enough to see the episode&#8217;s topics before the average TV viewer will flip the channel. And &#8220;Mythbusters&#8221; conveys a sense of &#8220;being there&#8221; in that you see how they set up the tests and the mistakes along with the successes.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d like to see a show take a step beyond proving and disproving, and try to figure out what&#8217;s going on. Like dousing. The Amazing Randi has done an excellent job in showing that it doesn&#8217;t actually detect underground objects, but I don&#8217;t think he ever investigated exactly why it seems to work. Does the mind subconsciously cause microtremors in the hands to make the stick or wires swing over a spot? Say, a person sees a water main out of one corner of his eye, a house in the other, and subconsciously &#8220;connects the dots.&#8221;  Or a certain popular topically applied product that shall remain nameless. The point isn&#8217;t if it works as they claim, it&#8217;s whether it works at all, and if so, how? Can it be replicated by a placebo or something that causes a similar sensation?</p>
<p>Just my two cents.</p>
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