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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Posit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Posit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting website.

A few tacit observations. Firstly of course, there is the consensus here that Pat Buchanan is &quot;insane&quot; (vis-à-vis the title) and should be silenced for daring to have an opinion.

He is an &quot;ignorant&quot; and should be denied his podium.

Insane. Ignorant. Silenced. Denied.

This theme cascades through the comments. Just perusing casually I picked out a well punctuated post by &quot;Jim&quot;, who implies that anyone ignorant enough to support these kinds of racialist views is naturally a bigoted barn-Nazi or something. Oh, and of course proverbial &quot;free speech is vital&quot; clause, in spite the threats censorship theme. That&#039;s a nice touch.

There&#039;s just one thing missing here guys. Proof.

Proof?

Ah but the author of this piece and presumably the owner of this website doesn&#039;t need proof. This type of &quot;racist rubbish&quot; was defeated in the 60s after all. Why should he indulge Mr. Buchanan? He rests in the bosom of majority opinion; far more convenient to simply slur him with &quot;nutsoid&quot; for the extra traffic. Righto, and lets silence him for good measure. +1 for freedom loving Americans everywhere.

It&#039;s a simple as three assertions guys, disprove them and discredit Pat Buchanan.

	Two-thirds of Blacks are born as bastard children.
	Half of Blacks in select cities are dropping out of school.
	None of the above is White America&#039;s fault.

Colorful language, ad-hominums and regurgitated buzzwords mean nothing. Feelings are nothing. Facts are everything.

Can you discredit Pat Buchanan? Or do you comfort yourself with group-think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting website.</p>
<p>A few tacit observations. Firstly of course, there is the consensus here that Pat Buchanan is &#8220;insane&#8221; (vis-à-vis the title) and should be silenced for daring to have an opinion.</p>
<p>He is an &#8220;ignorant&#8221; and should be denied his podium.</p>
<p>Insane. Ignorant. Silenced. Denied.</p>
<p>This theme cascades through the comments. Just perusing casually I picked out a well punctuated post by &#8220;Jim&#8221;, who implies that anyone ignorant enough to support these kinds of racialist views is naturally a bigoted barn-Nazi or something. Oh, and of course proverbial &#8220;free speech is vital&#8221; clause, in spite the threats censorship theme. That&#8217;s a nice touch.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s just one thing missing here guys. Proof.</p>
<p>Proof?</p>
<p>Ah but the author of this piece and presumably the owner of this website doesn&#8217;t need proof. This type of &#8220;racist rubbish&#8221; was defeated in the 60s after all. Why should he indulge Mr. Buchanan? He rests in the bosom of majority opinion; far more convenient to simply slur him with &#8220;nutsoid&#8221; for the extra traffic. Righto, and lets silence him for good measure. +1 for freedom loving Americans everywhere.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a simple as three assertions guys, disprove them and discredit Pat Buchanan.</p>
<p>	Two-thirds of Blacks are born as bastard children.<br />
	Half of Blacks in select cities are dropping out of school.<br />
	None of the above is White America&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>Colorful language, ad-hominums and regurgitated buzzwords mean nothing. Feelings are nothing. Facts are everything.</p>
<p>Can you discredit Pat Buchanan? Or do you comfort yourself with group-think?</p>
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		<title>By: momo</title>
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		<dc:creator>momo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Is it really white America’s fault that the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?
&gt; Is that the fault of white America

so he claims that WHITE dropout rate is above 50 percent in MOST of the cities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Is it really white America’s fault that the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?<br />
&gt; Is that the fault of white America</p>
<p>so he claims that WHITE dropout rate is above 50 percent in MOST of the cities?</p>
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		<title>By: M. R. Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. R. Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim?

That was beautiful.

Seriously. You nailed it.

Call it &#039;Topical Darwinism&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim?</p>
<p>That was beautiful.</p>
<p>Seriously. You nailed it.</p>
<p>Call it &#8216;Topical Darwinism&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can we please stop giving air time to insane people?&quot;

No, give them all the airtime they need to show intelligent people just how disgusting &amp; hypocritical they really are. The recent wave of racist apologetics Obama&#039;s speech has spawned across the Web is likewise very salutary. Enjoyable, no, but helpful, indeed.

Think about it. Previously, these idiots would&#039;ve been sneaking around in each other&#039;s basements or meeting in the dead of night in abandoned barns to spew their nonsense - now, they foolishly post it on blogs for all to see, where it can be immediately screencapped for posterity, permanently - even if they later try to hide it by deleting it.

The Malkins, Coulters &amp; Limbaughs unwittingly function as de facto societal T-cells, revealing the true extent of the ignorance &amp; intolerance they espouse. Their defenders are inexorably painting themselves into a corner with every new comment. The Web does not forget. Every last one of these self-righteous clowns now has a soapbox from which to wilfully convict themselves of First Degree Stupidity - so let them.

History will judge the Pat Buchanans &amp; Jerry Falwells, &amp; it will not be gentle about it. Their own words &amp; actions will condemn them far more ruthlessly than the invective of their critics.

This is exactly why free speech is so vitally important, &amp; why the first form of speech that needs defending is the very speech that turns the stomachs of reasonable people everywhere. That speech, unbeknownst to its sources, is in its way the most important &amp; ironically, educational of all.

You cannot diagnose a disease you can&#039;t detect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can we please stop giving air time to insane people?&#8221;</p>
<p>No, give them all the airtime they need to show intelligent people just how disgusting &amp; hypocritical they really are. The recent wave of racist apologetics Obama&#8217;s speech has spawned across the Web is likewise very salutary. Enjoyable, no, but helpful, indeed.</p>
<p>Think about it. Previously, these idiots would&#8217;ve been sneaking around in each other&#8217;s basements or meeting in the dead of night in abandoned barns to spew their nonsense &#8211; now, they foolishly post it on blogs for all to see, where it can be immediately screencapped for posterity, permanently &#8211; even if they later try to hide it by deleting it.</p>
<p>The Malkins, Coulters &amp; Limbaughs unwittingly function as de facto societal T-cells, revealing the true extent of the ignorance &amp; intolerance they espouse. Their defenders are inexorably painting themselves into a corner with every new comment. The Web does not forget. Every last one of these self-righteous clowns now has a soapbox from which to wilfully convict themselves of First Degree Stupidity &#8211; so let them.</p>
<p>History will judge the Pat Buchanans &amp; Jerry Falwells, &amp; it will not be gentle about it. Their own words &amp; actions will condemn them far more ruthlessly than the invective of their critics.</p>
<p>This is exactly why free speech is so vitally important, &amp; why the first form of speech that needs defending is the very speech that turns the stomachs of reasonable people everywhere. That speech, unbeknownst to its sources, is in its way the most important &amp; ironically, educational of all.</p>
<p>You cannot diagnose a disease you can&#8217;t detect.</p>
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		<title>By: M.R. Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>M.R. Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, those of an opposing viewpoint would say that YOU&#039;RE the nutjobs who need to be censored... yet you maintain that we should stop giving people YOU don&#039;t agree with an outlet for their viewpoint.

I&#039;m coming to the inescapable conclusion that most skeptics are sheep, believe what they are told, and will do whatever it takes to silence a dissenting opinion.

I tend to agree with a lot of skeptic viewpoints, but I regret to inform you that the vast majority of &#039;skeptics&#039; do not engender the definition of the term. I&#039;m happy for BA, Skeptic Magazine, and James Randi. They seem to have created their own brainwashed cult... very similar to Christianity and the Republican party, just with a different agenda.

If you have to ask, yes I&#039;m talking to you.

Hypocrisy is hilarious.

M.R. Ellis
&quot;I&#039;m here, and I&#039;m not going away.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, those of an opposing viewpoint would say that YOU&#8217;RE the nutjobs who need to be censored&#8230; yet you maintain that we should stop giving people YOU don&#8217;t agree with an outlet for their viewpoint.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m coming to the inescapable conclusion that most skeptics are sheep, believe what they are told, and will do whatever it takes to silence a dissenting opinion.</p>
<p>I tend to agree with a lot of skeptic viewpoints, but I regret to inform you that the vast majority of &#8217;skeptics&#8217; do not engender the definition of the term. I&#8217;m happy for BA, Skeptic Magazine, and James Randi. They seem to have created their own brainwashed cult&#8230; very similar to Christianity and the Republican party, just with a different agenda.</p>
<p>If you have to ask, yes I&#8217;m talking to you.</p>
<p>Hypocrisy is hilarious.</p>
<p>M.R. Ellis<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;m here, and I&#8217;m not going away.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Marking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Marking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just read about this in my local newspaper over the weekend.  If Pat Buchanon is a nutzoid racist then what about Al Sharpton?  Here is the latest Sharpton insanity:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/nation/5659159.html

&quot;Three weeks ago, however, the Rev. Al Sharpton and local representatives of the NAACP held a news conference in West Palm Beach where they declared that four black teenagers arrested for the Dunbar Village attacks are being treated unfairly because they remain jailed without bail, while five white teenagers recently accused of sexually assaulting two white girls in nearby Boca Raton, Fla., were freed on bail.

&quot;You cannot have one set of rules for acts that are wrong and horrific in Boca and another set in Dunbar Village,&quot; Sharpton said, as parents of some of the Dunbar defendants nodded. &quot;You must have equal protection under the law.&quot;&quot;

Now here is what the 4 teenagers in the Dunbar case are accused of doing:

&quot;A 35-year-old Haitian immigrant and her 12-year-old son were forced into their home at gunpoint in the bleak Dunbar Village housing project in West Palm Beach, Fla. The woman was beaten, raped and sodomized, allegedly by a gang of black American teenagers, then forced to abuse her son.  The attackers doused the victims with household chemicals â?? pouring them into the boy&#039;s eyes â?? and attempted to set the pair on fire before fleeing.&quot;

&quot;In the Boca Raton case, the five white teenagers are accused of sexually assaulting two middle school students after the group of seven engaged in a night of drinking. The Dunbar defendants, by contrast, face felony counts for the torture and gang-rape that could send them to prison for life.&quot;

BTW, Sharpton has a nationally syndicated radio talkshow:
http://www.sharptontalk.net

Can we please stop giving airtime to insane people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read about this in my local newspaper over the weekend.  If Pat Buchanon is a nutzoid racist then what about Al Sharpton?  Here is the latest Sharpton insanity:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/nation/5659159.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/nation/5659159.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Three weeks ago, however, the Rev. Al Sharpton and local representatives of the NAACP held a news conference in West Palm Beach where they declared that four black teenagers arrested for the Dunbar Village attacks are being treated unfairly because they remain jailed without bail, while five white teenagers recently accused of sexually assaulting two white girls in nearby Boca Raton, Fla., were freed on bail.</p>
<p>&#8220;You cannot have one set of rules for acts that are wrong and horrific in Boca and another set in Dunbar Village,&#8221; Sharpton said, as parents of some of the Dunbar defendants nodded. &#8220;You must have equal protection under the law.&#8221;"</p>
<p>Now here is what the 4 teenagers in the Dunbar case are accused of doing:</p>
<p>&#8220;A 35-year-old Haitian immigrant and her 12-year-old son were forced into their home at gunpoint in the bleak Dunbar Village housing project in West Palm Beach, Fla. The woman was beaten, raped and sodomized, allegedly by a gang of black American teenagers, then forced to abuse her son.  The attackers doused the victims with household chemicals â?? pouring them into the boy&#8217;s eyes â?? and attempted to set the pair on fire before fleeing.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;In the Boca Raton case, the five white teenagers are accused of sexually assaulting two middle school students after the group of seven engaged in a night of drinking. The Dunbar defendants, by contrast, face felony counts for the torture and gang-rape that could send them to prison for life.&#8221;</p>
<p>BTW, Sharpton has a nationally syndicated radio talkshow:<br />
<a href="http://www.sharptontalk.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.sharptontalk.net</a></p>
<p>Can we please stop giving airtime to insane people?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Marking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Marking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Your comment about PBS was childish. Please don’t watch NOVA if you’re going to complain about someone who got his start on PBS. I like my tax dollars going there. (-:&quot;

I&#039;m not the one who is complaining about Pat Buchanon who appears on PBS every week.  I&#039;m not the one shouting &quot;Can we please stop giving airtime to insane people!&quot;.  If Buchanon is insane then it is PBS that is giving him airtime.  I suggest those of you you despise Buchanon take your argument up with PBS.

&quot;So… who decides the level of insanity that justifies the revocation of YOUR right to free speech?&quot;

A more basic question is: Who decides who is insane?  Always remember, from their point of view you are the insane ones.  A daily mantra of the Michael Savage radio talkshow is &quot;Liberalism is a mental disorder&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your comment about PBS was childish. Please don’t watch NOVA if you’re going to complain about someone who got his start on PBS. I like my tax dollars going there. (-:&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not the one who is complaining about Pat Buchanon who appears on PBS every week.  I&#8217;m not the one shouting &#8220;Can we please stop giving airtime to insane people!&#8221;.  If Buchanon is insane then it is PBS that is giving him airtime.  I suggest those of you you despise Buchanon take your argument up with PBS.</p>
<p>&#8220;So… who decides the level of insanity that justifies the revocation of YOUR right to free speech?&#8221;</p>
<p>A more basic question is: Who decides who is insane?  Always remember, from their point of view you are the insane ones.  A daily mantra of the Michael Savage radio talkshow is &#8220;Liberalism is a mental disorder&#8221;.</p>
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