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	<title>Comments on: Creationism: that&#8217;s a rap</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: The Dawkins Rap - Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dawkins Rap - Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jiminy Cricket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jiminy Cricket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should be amazed that anybody could actually be so dumb as to consider this brilliant p*ss-take an &quot;evolution&quot; creation (excuse the pun), but as you will see, it&#039;s not too hard to make monkeys out of evolutionists and the source of this wonderful parody will certainly do that.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUt7nZdUJIk&amp;feature=related
The comments from evolutionists that I&#039;ve seen on various sites about this, in light of what any intelligent person could have figured out easily from the initial video, has been almost funnier than the video itself but embarrassing to read.

Most of them viewed it and couldn&#039;t even figure out the obvious, but instead mutually analysed it to death, made jokes about creationists together and marvelled at how great a job the video did, and how brilliant the guys were and how no creationist could ever be this funny and blah blah blah - without even figuring out it was taking the micky out of them the entire time.  Oh dear! (isn&#039;t that what they always do? Misinterpret anything to fit in with their preconceived belief system and make fools out of themselves in the process)?  Still, it provided a few extra laughs.  Just confirms the videos message even more!  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should be amazed that anybody could actually be so dumb as to consider this brilliant p*ss-take an &#8220;evolution&#8221; creation (excuse the pun), but as you will see, it&#8217;s not too hard to make monkeys out of evolutionists and the source of this wonderful parody will certainly do that.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUt7nZdUJIk&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUt7nZdUJIk&amp;feature=related</a><br />
The comments from evolutionists that I&#8217;ve seen on various sites about this, in light of what any intelligent person could have figured out easily from the initial video, has been almost funnier than the video itself but embarrassing to read.</p>
<p>Most of them viewed it and couldn&#8217;t even figure out the obvious, but instead mutually analysed it to death, made jokes about creationists together and marvelled at how great a job the video did, and how brilliant the guys were and how no creationist could ever be this funny and blah blah blah &#8211; without even figuring out it was taking the micky out of them the entire time.  Oh dear! (isn&#8217;t that what they always do? Misinterpret anything to fit in with their preconceived belief system and make fools out of themselves in the process)?  Still, it provided a few extra laughs.  Just confirms the videos message even more!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: haha</title>
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		<dc:creator>haha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Scientists have no right to impose God or exclude him from Empirical data.&quot;

Considering there&#039;s no empirical data for god I&#039;d say it&#039;s a-ok for scientists to exclude him from said data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Scientists have no right to impose God or exclude him from Empirical data.&#8221;</p>
<p>Considering there&#8217;s no empirical data for god I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s a-ok for scientists to exclude him from said data.</p>
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		<title>By: quasidog</title>
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		<dc:creator>quasidog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said M.  I wholeheartedly agree.  It has become just another form of bullying to many.  If someone cannot form an argument without resorting to abuse that person is just bullying; that is, trying to force his opinion on others by attempting to make them feel inferior.  We all know bullies that employ physical abuse to force others to comply does not make the bully correct.   If a bully says &#039;pigs fly&#039;, and you explain to him why they don&#039;t, and the bully beats you up until you agree with him ... well .. is he really right?   Even if the Bully forces someone to agree with him on something that is actually correct, the tactic of bullying undermines the Bully&#039;s credibility.  Witnesses to the event may assume that the Bully&#039;s victim just agreed to stop the beating.

An &#039;intellectual bully&#039; that metaphorically beats someone into a state of correction has far less credibility than someone that corrects a persons point of view by just using logic and good manners.

I am for good, well mannered debate on any issue.  A verbally abusive debate becomes tedious and noisy, and the main points are often lost  amongst the emotion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said M.  I wholeheartedly agree.  It has become just another form of bullying to many.  If someone cannot form an argument without resorting to abuse that person is just bullying; that is, trying to force his opinion on others by attempting to make them feel inferior.  We all know bullies that employ physical abuse to force others to comply does not make the bully correct.   If a bully says &#8216;pigs fly&#8217;, and you explain to him why they don&#8217;t, and the bully beats you up until you agree with him &#8230; well .. is he really right?   Even if the Bully forces someone to agree with him on something that is actually correct, the tactic of bullying undermines the Bully&#8217;s credibility.  Witnesses to the event may assume that the Bully&#8217;s victim just agreed to stop the beating.</p>
<p>An &#8216;intellectual bully&#8217; that metaphorically beats someone into a state of correction has far less credibility than someone that corrects a persons point of view by just using logic and good manners.</p>
<p>I am for good, well mannered debate on any issue.  A verbally abusive debate becomes tedious and noisy, and the main points are often lost  amongst the emotion.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

I agree to a point, but I would say that this particular issue does require a middle ground.

Scientists have no right to impose God or exclude him from Empirical data. Science is about studying the natural world, not about claiming that God either does not or does exist (though it may at some point find it, which I doubt).

I think Dawkins and his &quot;crew&quot; are extremists. I think many of the I.D.ers are extremists.

I think that we should stop bastardizing science to suit needs that can be solved by other means (Philosophical discourse, etc.). And I really think people from both sides should stop thinking so little of one another. It&#039;s sickening.</description>
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<p>I agree to a point, but I would say that this particular issue does require a middle ground.</p>
<p>Scientists have no right to impose God or exclude him from Empirical data. Science is about studying the natural world, not about claiming that God either does not or does exist (though it may at some point find it, which I doubt).</p>
<p>I think Dawkins and his &#8220;crew&#8221; are extremists. I think many of the I.D.ers are extremists.</p>
<p>I think that we should stop bastardizing science to suit needs that can be solved by other means (Philosophical discourse, etc.). And I really think people from both sides should stop thinking so little of one another. It&#8217;s sickening.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t understand the need for some of you individuals to claim that all &quot;creationists&quot; or &quot;religious&quot; wouldn&#039;t properly understand this video or anything else for that matter because they are too stupid or something.

It&#039;s really degrading and shows how little you actually respect and value other human beings. Rather disgusting really.

I, for one, don&#039;t buy into I.D. and I support Evolutionary Theory from a Theistic perspective. As a Theist, I am naturally a Creationists (though not in the sense that the term is used). At the same time, however, though I do not wish to be arrogant, I don&#039;t think myself &quot;stupid&quot; or anything else similar in that manner.

And I really don&#039;t appreciate basically being dehumanized because I&#039;m a Theist. When you claim I&#039;m not even capable of a rational thought, I find that very dehumanizing.

Perhaps if you are interested in the truth and giving our knowledge you should start reshaping the way you look at your fellow brothers and sisters.

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t understand the need for some of you individuals to claim that all &#8220;creationists&#8221; or &#8220;religious&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t properly understand this video or anything else for that matter because they are too stupid or something.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really degrading and shows how little you actually respect and value other human beings. Rather disgusting really.</p>
<p>I, for one, don&#8217;t buy into I.D. and I support Evolutionary Theory from a Theistic perspective. As a Theist, I am naturally a Creationists (though not in the sense that the term is used). At the same time, however, though I do not wish to be arrogant, I don&#8217;t think myself &#8220;stupid&#8221; or anything else similar in that manner.</p>
<p>And I really don&#8217;t appreciate basically being dehumanized because I&#8217;m a Theist. When you claim I&#8217;m not even capable of a rational thought, I find that very dehumanizing.</p>
<p>Perhaps if you are interested in the truth and giving our knowledge you should start reshaping the way you look at your fellow brothers and sisters.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: SuperCorgi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/03/28/creationism-thats-a-rap/comment-page-2/#comment-80326</link>
		<dc:creator>SuperCorgi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved it. I hate rap but I found it hilarious and the lyrics were catchy. I think it&#039;s a clear parody of the Expelled position that there&#039;s this huge conspiracy by the scientific establishment to suppress alternate views. It takes this claim and exaggerates it to the point of ridiculousness and thereby shows how ridiculous the claim is. It&#039;s a standard tactic of parody -- take a point and expand it to it&#039;s most extreme conclusion and thereby show how silly the point is.

It also points out that this claim is nothing new, that it&#039;s been out there a long time and that Expelled is just trying to wrap it up in new packaging. The machine represents the scientific &quot;establishment&quot; but shows how ridiculous it is to think that there&#039;s this huge secret conspiracy that could actually construct a huge monster machine to remove questionable scientists.

Plus, who could resist PZ Meyers in a squid hat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved it. I hate rap but I found it hilarious and the lyrics were catchy. I think it&#8217;s a clear parody of the Expelled position that there&#8217;s this huge conspiracy by the scientific establishment to suppress alternate views. It takes this claim and exaggerates it to the point of ridiculousness and thereby shows how ridiculous the claim is. It&#8217;s a standard tactic of parody &#8212; take a point and expand it to it&#8217;s most extreme conclusion and thereby show how silly the point is.</p>
<p>It also points out that this claim is nothing new, that it&#8217;s been out there a long time and that Expelled is just trying to wrap it up in new packaging. The machine represents the scientific &#8220;establishment&#8221; but shows how ridiculous it is to think that there&#8217;s this huge secret conspiracy that could actually construct a huge monster machine to remove questionable scientists.</p>
<p>Plus, who could resist PZ Meyers in a squid hat!</p>
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