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	<title>Comments on: Doctor Who season 4 premier!</title>
	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/07/doctor-who-season-4-premier/</link>
	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Walt D</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/07/doctor-who-season-4-premier/#comment-81671</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/07/doctor-who-season-4-premier/#comment-81671</guid>
		<description>Rather than mere baseless whinging, let me be specific why S401 was utterly abysmal:

- this isn't science fiction. It is science fantasy, and inherently weak on logic. RTD doesn't understand SF, merely its trappings.

- Tate is simply terribly annoying to watch in Dr Who. There is NO reason to root for her. I rather wanted the cable to snap and put her out of my misery.

- Large rabbitsized adipose creatures pop out of victims through their skin, bloodlessly?  Utterly cartoony. Absolutely silly in an unfunny creepy way.

- What ill director plays reactions of helpless infected victims for comedy, as done several times?

- Overuse of the damned sonic screwdriver as deus ex machina. Since when do sonic screwdrivers have weapons capabilities able to heat steel cables, melt door locks - with sparks!  ENOUGH.

- TERRIBLE special effects. The legions of adipose creatures were BLURRY in the street scenes. The character design was cartoony in the extreme. We're not infants watching teletubbies.

-  Reactions of the infected people in the bar scene not credible at all, just silly.

- Glossy spectacle outweighed character credibility and plot sense. One might almost just turn the sound off and watch for the spectacle, forget the story.

- Plot holes aplenty. Did RTD actually expect us to accept that hundreds of thousands of adipose creatures popped out of hosts each night unseen, and roamed the streets like rats until collected by black vans? Or that a fleet of vans dispatched perhaps like taxis, one per creature? Or that the nanny would allow potential children of the royal family to roam unprotected on an alien planet?

RTD has been infected with Uwe Boll Disease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than mere baseless whinging, let me be specific why S401 was utterly abysmal:</p>
<p>- this isn&#8217;t science fiction. It is science fantasy, and inherently weak on logic. RTD doesn&#8217;t understand SF, merely its trappings.</p>
<p>- Tate is simply terribly annoying to watch in Dr Who. There is NO reason to root for her. I rather wanted the cable to snap and put her out of my misery.</p>
<p>- Large rabbitsized adipose creatures pop out of victims through their skin, bloodlessly?  Utterly cartoony. Absolutely silly in an unfunny creepy way.</p>
<p>- What ill director plays reactions of helpless infected victims for comedy, as done several times?</p>
<p>- Overuse of the damned sonic screwdriver as deus ex machina. Since when do sonic screwdrivers have weapons capabilities able to heat steel cables, melt door locks - with sparks!  ENOUGH.</p>
<p>- TERRIBLE special effects. The legions of adipose creatures were BLURRY in the street scenes. The character design was cartoony in the extreme. We&#8217;re not infants watching teletubbies.</p>
<p>-  Reactions of the infected people in the bar scene not credible at all, just silly.</p>
<p>- Glossy spectacle outweighed character credibility and plot sense. One might almost just turn the sound off and watch for the spectacle, forget the story.</p>
<p>- Plot holes aplenty. Did RTD actually expect us to accept that hundreds of thousands of adipose creatures popped out of hosts each night unseen, and roamed the streets like rats until collected by black vans? Or that a fleet of vans dispatched perhaps like taxis, one per creature? Or that the nanny would allow potential children of the royal family to roam unprotected on an alien planet?</p>
<p>RTD has been infected with Uwe Boll Disease.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/07/doctor-who-season-4-premier/#comment-81670</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/07/doctor-who-season-4-premier/#comment-81670</guid>
		<description>Yes, lots of time lords were left in various places over the 20+ years of the original show.  The thing is that a 'time war' isn't just time lords having a war....it is using time travel as a weapon.  Lots of Terminator-style 'I kill your mother to prevent you from being born' type stuff.  When the Doctor says 'they all burned' he means it in the sense that both the Daleks and the Time Lords wrote themselves out of time.  His survival, the Master's, the few Daleks, all had to do with special oddball circumstances that writer's get to create.  A Time Lord just stranded on a planet would disappear in a Time War.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, lots of time lords were left in various places over the 20+ years of the original show.  The thing is that a &#8216;time war&#8217; isn&#8217;t just time lords having a war&#8230;.it is using time travel as a weapon.  Lots of Terminator-style &#8216;I kill your mother to prevent you from being born&#8217; type stuff.  When the Doctor says &#8216;they all burned&#8217; he means it in the sense that both the Daleks and the Time Lords wrote themselves out of time.  His survival, the Master&#8217;s, the few Daleks, all had to do with special oddball circumstances that writer&#8217;s get to create.  A Time Lord just stranded on a planet would disappear in a Time War.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Swoop</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/07/doctor-who-season-4-premier/#comment-81669</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Swoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/07/doctor-who-season-4-premier/#comment-81669</guid>
		<description>And of course they are the TIme Lords, theres nothing to say that Galifrey won't return</description>
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		<title>By: ZMWLabs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Where is my energy drink?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/07/doctor-who-season-4-premier/#comment-81668</link>
		<dc:creator>ZMWLabs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Where is my energy drink?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/07/doctor-who-season-4-premier/#comment-81668</guid>
		<description>[...] recently ran across a website saying the next season of Doctor Who is off and running and is looking good. I certainly hope they [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] recently ran across a website saying the next season of Doctor Who is off and running and is looking good. I certainly hope they [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Calli Arcale</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/07/doctor-who-season-4-premier/#comment-81667</link>
		<dc:creator>Calli Arcale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/07/doctor-who-season-4-premier/#comment-81667</guid>
		<description>For the major canon junkies out there, a bit more fun with Romana.  ;-)

Romana left the series at the end of Warrior's Gate, where she opted to remain in E-Space (a small pocket universe outside of our own -- the "e" stands for "exospace", and the term would likely apply to any of several exospace universes accessed via charged vacuum emboitments -- CVEs).  She stayed there to help the enslaved Tharil race free itself and rebuild a society.

In the novels and audio dramas (which have separate continuities), Romana eventually returned to Gallifrey and ultimately became President.  The canonicity of this is unclear; in generally, it is best to assume that the books are not canon.  However, elements of the books have appeared on the series (most notably "Human Nature", which was worked into a two-parter last season) and a lot of the authors of the novels are now script writers for the series.  Some things said by Davies suggest that they are operating on the assumption that Romana did return to Gallifrey and become President, ultimately perishing along with Gallifrey itself.

But Davies can't possibly be the producer forever, and since this hasn't been enshrined in any actual episode, it could always change.  ;-)  And if not, well, more fun for the fanfic writers!

All of this does leave unanswered the question of where other Time Lord renegades wound up.  Drax, Cho-Je/K'Anpo, the Rani, the Meddling Monk, Chronotis, Omega, any Time Lords imprisoned on Shada....  Drax most likely could not have returned to Gallifrey to assist in the Time War, as he was stranded without transportation.  (He wasn't technically a Time Lord anyway, as he dropped out of the academy.  Dialog in that episode and in "Invasion of Time" suggests that Time Lords are the Gallifreyan elite, but that there are working class Gallifreyans as well -- and also indicates that it is possible to renounce the title, as the hunter-gatherer Shabogans had done.)

There is also the possibility of refugees.  Not just people who couldn't get to Gallifrey in time, or who wouldn't have heeded the call anyway (I can't imagine the Rani caring about the outcome, for instance) but those who were involved in the war but dropped out due to injury or stranding and then were left behind, accidentally or otherwise.

I am certain that if there were Dalek survivors, there will be Time Lord survivors too.  And not just the Doctor and the Master.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the major canon junkies out there, a bit more fun with Romana.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Romana left the series at the end of Warrior&#8217;s Gate, where she opted to remain in E-Space (a small pocket universe outside of our own &#8212; the &#8220;e&#8221; stands for &#8220;exospace&#8221;, and the term would likely apply to any of several exospace universes accessed via charged vacuum emboitments &#8212; CVEs).  She stayed there to help the enslaved Tharil race free itself and rebuild a society.</p>
<p>In the novels and audio dramas (which have separate continuities), Romana eventually returned to Gallifrey and ultimately became President.  The canonicity of this is unclear; in generally, it is best to assume that the books are not canon.  However, elements of the books have appeared on the series (most notably &#8220;Human Nature&#8221;, which was worked into a two-parter last season) and a lot of the authors of the novels are now script writers for the series.  Some things said by Davies suggest that they are operating on the assumption that Romana did return to Gallifrey and become President, ultimately perishing along with Gallifrey itself.</p>
<p>But Davies can&#8217;t possibly be the producer forever, and since this hasn&#8217;t been enshrined in any actual episode, it could always change.  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  And if not, well, more fun for the fanfic writers!</p>
<p>All of this does leave unanswered the question of where other Time Lord renegades wound up.  Drax, Cho-Je/K&#8217;Anpo, the Rani, the Meddling Monk, Chronotis, Omega, any Time Lords imprisoned on Shada&#8230;.  Drax most likely could not have returned to Gallifrey to assist in the Time War, as he was stranded without transportation.  (He wasn&#8217;t technically a Time Lord anyway, as he dropped out of the academy.  Dialog in that episode and in &#8220;Invasion of Time&#8221; suggests that Time Lords are the Gallifreyan elite, but that there are working class Gallifreyans as well &#8212; and also indicates that it is possible to renounce the title, as the hunter-gatherer Shabogans had done.)</p>
<p>There is also the possibility of refugees.  Not just people who couldn&#8217;t get to Gallifrey in time, or who wouldn&#8217;t have heeded the call anyway (I can&#8217;t imagine the Rani caring about the outcome, for instance) but those who were involved in the war but dropped out due to injury or stranding and then were left behind, accidentally or otherwise.</p>
<p>I am certain that if there were Dalek survivors, there will be Time Lord survivors too.  And not just the Doctor and the Master.</p>
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		<title>By: JT_Gigcast</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/07/doctor-who-season-4-premier/#comment-81666</link>
		<dc:creator>JT_Gigcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/07/doctor-who-season-4-premier/#comment-81666</guid>
		<description>Swoop.. the Doctor did that for the old man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swoop.. the Doctor did that for the old man.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Swoop</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/07/doctor-who-season-4-premier/#comment-81665</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Swoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/07/doctor-who-season-4-premier/#comment-81665</guid>
		<description>The Tardis shouldn't have 'shot up into space' it's not a rocket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tardis shouldn&#8217;t have &#8217;shot up into space&#8217; it&#8217;s not a rocket.</p>
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