http://www.charlespetzold.com/blog/2008/04/Old-Design-Argument-Now-Politicized.html

J/P=?

However, atheism does make an assumption – namely that there would be evidence of a deity on which to base some belief if one actually existed. This is a perefectly valid and logical assumption based upon every other experience we have – but it technically is still an assumption and could be construed as an act of self deception… if you tried really hard. Yeah, it’s thin. Real thin.

Mostly what my choice of not arguing that point was about was avoiding spiraling into an endless and fruitless debate of theism/atheism – something I’ve seen happen all too often to want to be a part of anymore – and instead focus on more potentially fruitful discussion.

says, “I’ll give you atheism – it makes an assumption of the absolute non-existence of a deity… a prospect which by the very definition of a deity is unknowable (how convenient for religion) so I’ll concede that non-belief where the pure logical choice would be no opinion could be seen as self deception.”

BZZT!! I’m sorry that’s incorrect…

Atheism does not say, “I believe there is no God.” Atheism says, “I don’t believe there is a God.”

A-theism: without theistic belief. A lack of belief, not a belief itself.

I would also say that ‘no opinion’ is not the pure logical choice. The pure logical choice in the face of an absence of evidence is disbelief. (When people said that there was no such thing as a black swan, because no-one had ever seen one, they were right to say so at the time. There was no known evidence for black swans so why ‘believe in’ them? Where they went wrong was in further assuming that a black swan Could Not exist – that closed them to the possibility of further evidence.)

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The 1947 UN partition plan granted 55 % of the Mandate to Israel. By 1970 they had occupied all of it. (& more.) Gaza & the West bank compose 22% of Mandate of Palestine. (Gilbert, 1993 & Reinhart, 2002.)

Palestinian casualties = 3,049
Israeli casualties = 905

(As of 5th July 2004.) Source : ‘Middle East Policy Council website, 6-7-2004.

When Israel launched the aerial attack to assassinate a single Hamas leader, Salah Shehadeh, they also murdered 14 others mostly innocent bystanders incl. children. Can “evil” be fought with “evil”?

Under Israeli rule the following practices are carried out :

- Religio-racial discrimination whereby only one group has certain rights
(Eg. Right of return, Jewish only roads etc..)

- Collective punishment eg. Curfews, humiliating “security” searches, deportations, home demolitions, etc…

- Legalised use of torture.

- Destruction of infrastructure to stall possible implementation of peace provisions. (“De-development”)

- Ethnic cleansing – both historical (1948) & suggested for the future.

- “Ghettoisation / Cantonisation” of certain ethnic populations – the Palestinian “Bantustans” & Sharon’s wall across the West Bank.

Since the creation of Israel in 1948 :

200,000 Palestinians have been killed.
5,000,000 refugees have been created.
21,000 square kilometres of land has been annexed.
385 towns and villages have been destroyed.
300 billion military dollars have been spent.
100 plus WMD’s have been manufactured.
65 UN resolutions have been ignored.

Source : ‘Row over anti-Israel art display’ in ‘The Age’ [Australian newspaper] , 4-5-2004.

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& three questions for ya’ll :

1) If Israel has a “right to exist” & a “right to self defence” why then don’t the Palestineans have the same rights?

2) Seeing as Israel has the Nuclear Bomb & other WMD’s then why shouldn’t Iran or even the Palestineans have it too? Shouldn’t they too be allowed a deterrent against attack and to be on an equal footing?

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3) Why is it so goish-durned hard for the West (esp. jews & USA-ite ‘Amercians’ to accept that Palestineans are humans too with the same inalienable human rights and the same needs for love, revenge and fair treatment?

I posted my well-founded opinion of Judaism together with the
very sound and legitimate reasons why I’ve come to those conclusions. Quoting only my conclusions without my accompanying evidence and explanation was a deceptive act on your part.

I could well ascribe such low tactics to Islamophobia & anti-Palestinean
racism on your part and Iamy wellbe right about that. Am I Mr BPL?

How much do you really know and understand about the plight of the
Palestineans?

How much do you really know about what Israel has done and continues doing to them?

Got any Palestinaneans or non-Muslim or non-Jewish /XN friends have you?

Oh & for all apologists of Israel here – just a quick question :

What act of unspeakable evil must Israel committ before you finally
wake up & realise they’re NOT the “good guys” here?

Israel occupies illegally another people’s land, murders, tortures, assassinates its political dissidents and resistence leaders, uses government terrorism and bombings against civilians, allows babies to
die because of their race, imposes instititutional and legal racism, is based
on fundamentalist theocracy thatinsist only two survivingtribe sout of all Humanity areGods Chosen volk, imprisons resistence leaders, invades and attacks itsneighbours and thretens to do so continually, uses collective punishment, violates international law and human rights & tehGneebva Convention, ad nauseam …

When, when when, will the world esp. the Western world say to Israel : ENOUGH!

When will you?

Please try to make it before the last Palestinean has been murdered by them …

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As for the Jewish Holocaust (or the Shoah as they call it) the Jewish lobby are quite simply dishonouring and befouling the victims of the Nzais by acting like Nazis themselves. There maybe no gas chambers – yet – but their mindsets all too similar.

Plus incidentally a whole heap of Non-Jews died at the hands of Nazi’s too & no, despite their propaganda otherwise, the Jews are NOT the only people in history to suffer atrocities and persecution – in fact about half the time the Jews are the ones comitting such crimes against humanity! Never again? Well stop blinking doing it then Jews!