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	<title>Comments on: No, a 13 year old boy did not correct NASA</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: pft as if</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/16/no-a-13-year-old-boy-did-not-correct-nasa/comment-page-2/#comment-112215</link>
		<dc:creator>pft as if</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The writer of this article was very arrogant to think a 13 year old child couldn&#039;t be right. That&#039;s very narrowminded of you. There are such things as prodigies.I dislike how some adult are unwilling to admit children have the potential be more intelligent than they. I am more than willing to admit children have the potential to be more intelligent than I or any other adults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The writer of this article was very arrogant to think a 13 year old child couldn&#8217;t be right. That&#8217;s very narrowminded of you. There are such things as prodigies.I dislike how some adult are unwilling to admit children have the potential be more intelligent than they. I am more than willing to admit children have the potential to be more intelligent than I or any other adults.</p>
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		<title>By: Lars</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/16/no-a-13-year-old-boy-did-not-correct-nasa/comment-page-2/#comment-83268</link>
		<dc:creator>Lars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that these journalists are still journalists today, appalls me. But such are the standards of modern jounalism. Never trust the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that these journalists are still journalists today, appalls me. But such are the standards of modern jounalism. Never trust the news.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Cellania</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/16/no-a-13-year-old-boy-did-not-correct-nasa/comment-page-2/#comment-83267</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss Cellania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s quite an honor, when someone else makes you into a demotivator and then assumes everyone will recognize you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s quite an honor, when someone else makes you into a demotivator and then assumes everyone will recognize you!</p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/16/no-a-13-year-old-boy-did-not-correct-nasa/comment-page-2/#comment-83266</link>
		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&#039;oh! D&#039;oh!  D&#039;oh!

Sorry, folks - I kept getting an error message (a goobledegook weird
one actually), &amp; I thought it hadn&#039;t sent but turns it out, it had ...

My apologies. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;oh! D&#8217;oh!  D&#8217;oh!</p>
<p>Sorry, folks &#8211; I kept getting an error message (a goobledegook weird<br />
one actually), &amp; I thought it hadn&#8217;t sent but turns it out, it had &#8230;</p>
<p>My apologies. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Welford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Welford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait! Wait!

What if the kid heard someone associated with ESA or NASA say that Apophis wouldn&#039;t be signifcantly affected by satellite collision. Then he correctly calculates that could it end up displaced by a few thousand kilometers after seven years. So then he thinks &quot;Why this could be the difference a near miss and Caracas turned into a smouldering crater. Thats significant!!&quot;

Meanwhile NASA has its own definition of significance. They couldn&#039;t care less about Caracas! For them insignificant means much smaller than the margin of error in their calculations.

So anyway, when someone associated ESA or NASA confirms to the kid that his numbers are right he thinks he&#039;s found something new. He submits it to a science fair. They confirm his calculations. He wins a prize. He gets in the newspapers.

NASA overreacts wildly at the hint that they got something wrong. And here we are. All because NASA doesn&#039;t know the meaning of the word significant.

That&#039;s my theory. Does anybody know what was in the kids actual contest entry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait! Wait!</p>
<p>What if the kid heard someone associated with ESA or NASA say that Apophis wouldn&#8217;t be signifcantly affected by satellite collision. Then he correctly calculates that could it end up displaced by a few thousand kilometers after seven years. So then he thinks &#8220;Why this could be the difference a near miss and Caracas turned into a smouldering crater. Thats significant!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Meanwhile NASA has its own definition of significance. They couldn&#8217;t care less about Caracas! For them insignificant means much smaller than the margin of error in their calculations.</p>
<p>So anyway, when someone associated ESA or NASA confirms to the kid that his numbers are right he thinks he&#8217;s found something new. He submits it to a science fair. They confirm his calculations. He wins a prize. He gets in the newspapers.</p>
<p>NASA overreacts wildly at the hint that they got something wrong. And here we are. All because NASA doesn&#8217;t know the meaning of the word significant.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my theory. Does anybody know what was in the kids actual contest entry?</p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just forwarded this to another online group thought I&#039;d let ya&#039;ll know:

******

Schoolboy challenges NASA ....? Or maybe not. Interesting urban legend but it seems that may be all this is :

NEWS RELEASE: 2008-063      April 16, 2008

NASA Statement on Student Asteroid Calculations

PASADENA, Calif. -- The Near-Earth Object Program Office at NASA&#039;s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., has not changed its current estimates for the very low probability (1 in 45,000) of an Earth impact by the asteroid Apophis in 2036. Contrary to recent press reports, NASA offices involved in near-Earth object research were not contacted and have had no correspondence with a young German student, who claims the Apophis impact probability is far higher than the current estimate.

This student&#039;s conclusion reportedly is based on the possibility of a collision with an artificial satellite during the asteroid&#039;s close approach in April 2029. However, the asteroid will not pass near the main belt of geosynchronous satellites in 2029, and the chance of a collision with a satellite is exceedingly remote. Therefore, consideration of this satellite collision scenario does not affect the current impact probability estimate for Apophis, which remains at 1 in 45,000.

NASA detects and tracks asteroids and comets passing close to Earth. The Near Earth Object Observation Program, commonly called &quot;Spaceguard,&quot; discovers, characterizes and computes trajectories for these objects to determine if any could be potentially hazardous to our planet.

For more information, visit http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov

For more information about JPL on the Internet, visit www.jpl.nasa.gov . For information about NASA, visit www.nasa.gov .

****

There&#039;s also a blog article and discussion of this on the &#039;Bad Astronomy&#039; website by noted astronomer, &quot;bad science&quot; debunker &amp; author, Dr Phil Plait. See : www.badastronomy.com

(I think I&#039;ve got that web link right - my apologies if not. A web search should find it pretty easily.)

Hope this is enlightening &amp; best regards :

StevoR
---------------------------------------------------

&quot;Earth&#039;s windiest location is Cape Farewell, Greenland, where gale winds blow 16 % of the time.&quot;
- NASA e-newsletter : &quot;New Atlases use NASA data to chart ocean winds&quot;, 2008 April 17th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just forwarded this to another online group thought I&#8217;d let ya&#8217;ll know:</p>
<p>******</p>
<p>Schoolboy challenges NASA &#8230;.? Or maybe not. Interesting urban legend but it seems that may be all this is :</p>
<p>NEWS RELEASE: 2008-063      April 16, 2008</p>
<p>NASA Statement on Student Asteroid Calculations</p>
<p>PASADENA, Calif. &#8212; The Near-Earth Object Program Office at NASA&#8217;s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., has not changed its current estimates for the very low probability (1 in 45,000) of an Earth impact by the asteroid Apophis in 2036. Contrary to recent press reports, NASA offices involved in near-Earth object research were not contacted and have had no correspondence with a young German student, who claims the Apophis impact probability is far higher than the current estimate.</p>
<p>This student&#8217;s conclusion reportedly is based on the possibility of a collision with an artificial satellite during the asteroid&#8217;s close approach in April 2029. However, the asteroid will not pass near the main belt of geosynchronous satellites in 2029, and the chance of a collision with a satellite is exceedingly remote. Therefore, consideration of this satellite collision scenario does not affect the current impact probability estimate for Apophis, which remains at 1 in 45,000.</p>
<p>NASA detects and tracks asteroids and comets passing close to Earth. The Near Earth Object Observation Program, commonly called &#8220;Spaceguard,&#8221; discovers, characterizes and computes trajectories for these objects to determine if any could be potentially hazardous to our planet.</p>
<p>For more information, visit <a href="http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov" rel="nofollow">http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov</a></p>
<p>For more information about JPL on the Internet, visit <a href="http://www.jpl.nasa.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.jpl.nasa.gov</a> . For information about NASA, visit <a href="http://www.nasa.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov</a> .</p>
<p>****</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a blog article and discussion of this on the &#8216;Bad Astronomy&#8217; website by noted astronomer, &#8220;bad science&#8221; debunker &amp; author, Dr Phil Plait. See : <a href="http://www.badastronomy.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.badastronomy.com</a></p>
<p>(I think I&#8217;ve got that web link right &#8211; my apologies if not. A web search should find it pretty easily.)</p>
<p>Hope this is enlightening &amp; best regards :</p>
<p>StevoR<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>&#8220;Earth&#8217;s windiest location is Cape Farewell, Greenland, where gale winds blow 16 % of the time.&#8221;<br />
- NASA e-newsletter : &#8220;New Atlases use NASA data to chart ocean winds&#8221;, 2008 April 17th.</p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just forwarded this to another online group thought I&#039;d let ya&#039;ll know:

******

Schoolboy challenges NASA ....? Or maybe not. Interesting urban legend but it seems that may be all this is :

NEWS RELEASE: 2008-063      April 16, 2008

NASA Statement on Student Asteroid Calculations

PASADENA, Calif. -- The Near-Earth Object Program Office at NASA&#039;s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., has not changed its current estimates for the very low probability (1 in 45,000) of an Earth impact by the asteroid Apophis in 2036. Contrary to recent press reports, NASA offices involved in near-Earth object research were not contacted and have had no correspondence with a young German student, who claims the Apophis impact probability is far higher than the current estimate.

This student&#039;s conclusion reportedly is based on the possibility of a collision with an artificial satellite during the asteroid&#039;s close approach in April 2029. However, the asteroid will not pass near the main belt of geosynchronous satellites in 2029, and the chance of a collision with a satellite is exceedingly remote. Therefore, consideration of this satellite collision scenario does not affect the current impact probability estimate for Apophis, which remains at 1 in 45,000.

NASA detects and tracks asteroids and comets passing close to Earth. The Near Earth Object Observation Program, commonly called &quot;Spaceguard,&quot; discovers, characterizes and computes trajectories for these objects to determine if any could be potentially hazardous to our planet.

For more information, visit http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov

For more information about JPL on the Internet, visit www.jpl.nasa.gov . For information about NASA, visit www.nasa.gov .

****

There&#039;s also a blog article and discussion of this on the &#039;Bad Astronomy&#039; website by noted astronomer, &quot;bad science&quot; debunker &amp; author, Dr Phil Plait. See : www.badastronomy.com

(I think I&#039;ve got that web link right - my apologies if not. A web search should find it pretty easily.)

Hope this is enlightening &amp; best regards :

StevoR
---------------------------------------------------

&quot;Earth&#039;s windiest location is Cape Farewell, Greenland, where gale winds blow 16 % of the time.&quot;
- NASA e-newsletter : &quot;New Atlases use NASA data to chart ocean winds&quot;, 2008 April 17th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just forwarded this to another online group thought I&#8217;d let ya&#8217;ll know:</p>
<p>******</p>
<p>Schoolboy challenges NASA &#8230;.? Or maybe not. Interesting urban legend but it seems that may be all this is :</p>
<p>NEWS RELEASE: 2008-063      April 16, 2008</p>
<p>NASA Statement on Student Asteroid Calculations</p>
<p>PASADENA, Calif. &#8212; The Near-Earth Object Program Office at NASA&#8217;s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., has not changed its current estimates for the very low probability (1 in 45,000) of an Earth impact by the asteroid Apophis in 2036. Contrary to recent press reports, NASA offices involved in near-Earth object research were not contacted and have had no correspondence with a young German student, who claims the Apophis impact probability is far higher than the current estimate.</p>
<p>This student&#8217;s conclusion reportedly is based on the possibility of a collision with an artificial satellite during the asteroid&#8217;s close approach in April 2029. However, the asteroid will not pass near the main belt of geosynchronous satellites in 2029, and the chance of a collision with a satellite is exceedingly remote. Therefore, consideration of this satellite collision scenario does not affect the current impact probability estimate for Apophis, which remains at 1 in 45,000.</p>
<p>NASA detects and tracks asteroids and comets passing close to Earth. The Near Earth Object Observation Program, commonly called &#8220;Spaceguard,&#8221; discovers, characterizes and computes trajectories for these objects to determine if any could be potentially hazardous to our planet.</p>
<p>For more information, visit <a href="http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov" rel="nofollow">http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov</a></p>
<p>For more information about JPL on the Internet, visit <a href="http://www.jpl.nasa.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.jpl.nasa.gov</a> . For information about NASA, visit <a href="http://www.nasa.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov</a> .</p>
<p>****</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a blog article and discussion of this on the &#8216;Bad Astronomy&#8217; website by noted astronomer, &#8220;bad science&#8221; debunker &amp; author, Dr Phil Plait. See : <a href="http://www.badastronomy.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.badastronomy.com</a></p>
<p>(I think I&#8217;ve got that web link right &#8211; my apologies if not. A web search should find it pretty easily.)</p>
<p>Hope this is enlightening &amp; best regards :</p>
<p>StevoR<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>&#8220;Earth&#8217;s windiest location is Cape Farewell, Greenland, where gale winds blow 16 % of the time.&#8221;<br />
- NASA e-newsletter : &#8220;New Atlases use NASA data to chart ocean winds&#8221;, 2008 April 17th.</p>
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