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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Creationist (heh) Master of Science (haha) degree (HAHAHAHAHA!) &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/24/icr-at-0-degrees/comment-page-1/#comment-165432</link>
		<dc:creator>Creationist (heh) Master of Science (haha) degree (HAHAHAHAHA!) &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] if this bill will pass or not. The ICR tried to get permission to grant degrees in science in 2008, and was roundly thumped by the state commissioner who told them bluntly that religion isn&#8217;t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] if this bill will pass or not. The ICR tried to get permission to grant degrees in science in 2008, and was roundly thumped by the state commissioner who told them bluntly that religion isn&#8217;t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/24/icr-at-0-degrees/comment-page-1/#comment-84445</link>
		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Galileo&#039;s quote in this context  which went something like (in Italian though naturally .. or maybe Latin, a-n-y-w-a-y) :

&quot;Science tells us how the heavens go, not how to go to heaven.&quot;

That sums it up perfectly.

Want an ethical code on how to live your life well?

Well then, in that case, the Bible&#039;s fine but a geology/biology/astronomy text is totally inapplicable &amp; unhelpful.

Want to know the facts about the age of the Earth or how Humans came to be?

Well then, in that case, a geology/biology/astronomy text is fine but the Bible&#039;s totally inapplicable &amp; unhelpful.

Seems simple &amp; clear enough if you look at things that way doesn&#039;t it? Can&#039;t both religion &amp; science get along with that?

As for atheism not being a religion, well strictly speaking neither
is Buddhism either. Perhaps both more broadly belong under the
philosophy not religion classification however both areforms of belief about religion. Buddhists are passionate believers in Buddha&#039;s path to
enlightenment, atheists are passionately &amp; sometimes stridently convinced that there is no God but NO God

     ... &amp; agnostics like me shrug our shoulders and say well .. heck .. we&#039;re not sure &amp; like Socrates we know what we don&#039;t know .. and thus have open minds.

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Then of course there&#039;s the old joke of :

What do you get if you cross a Mormon withan atheist?

Answer : Someone who knocks on your door for nothing! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Galileo&#8217;s quote in this context  which went something like (in Italian though naturally .. or maybe Latin, a-n-y-w-a-y) :</p>
<p>&#8220;Science tells us how the heavens go, not how to go to heaven.&#8221;</p>
<p>That sums it up perfectly.</p>
<p>Want an ethical code on how to live your life well?</p>
<p>Well then, in that case, the Bible&#8217;s fine but a geology/biology/astronomy text is totally inapplicable &amp; unhelpful.</p>
<p>Want to know the facts about the age of the Earth or how Humans came to be?</p>
<p>Well then, in that case, a geology/biology/astronomy text is fine but the Bible&#8217;s totally inapplicable &amp; unhelpful.</p>
<p>Seems simple &amp; clear enough if you look at things that way doesn&#8217;t it? Can&#8217;t both religion &amp; science get along with that?</p>
<p>As for atheism not being a religion, well strictly speaking neither<br />
is Buddhism either. Perhaps both more broadly belong under the<br />
philosophy not religion classification however both areforms of belief about religion. Buddhists are passionate believers in Buddha&#8217;s path to<br />
enlightenment, atheists are passionately &amp; sometimes stridently convinced that there is no God but NO God</p>
<p>     &#8230; &amp; agnostics like me shrug our shoulders and say well .. heck .. we&#8217;re not sure &amp; like Socrates we know what we don&#8217;t know .. and thus have open minds.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Then of course there&#8217;s the old joke of :</p>
<p>What do you get if you cross a Mormon withan atheist?</p>
<p>Answer : Someone who knocks on your door for nothing! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ????</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/24/icr-at-0-degrees/comment-page-1/#comment-84443</link>
		<dc:creator>????</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>???</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/24/icr-at-0-degrees/comment-page-1/#comment-84444</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;What they are calling science education has as much to do with science as reality television has to do with reality,” said Paul Murray, a geophysicist from Austin.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nice quote, but still excessively generous to the ICR. After all, there is actually &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; connection between reality television and reality, even if it is frequently pretty strained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;What they are calling science education has as much to do with science as reality television has to do with reality,” said Paul Murray, a geophysicist from Austin.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nice quote, but still excessively generous to the ICR. After all, there is actually <i>some</i> connection between reality television and reality, even if it is frequently pretty strained.</p>
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		<title>By: Celtic_Evolution</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celtic_Evolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ian

&lt;blockquote&gt;The trend I’ve noticed so far is that the the extreme creationist folks try to pull a fast one, the extreme atheists then have kittens and while those two scream at each other and basically engage in a girl slap fight over their matching prom dresses, the moderate folks work things out get things back to normal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow.  Great speech.  Got some questions for you, though.  Seems to me the only one being extreme in describing any of this is you.

So... first, which extremist atheists are &quot;having kittens&quot; and what are some examples of these kittens?  Seems to me that neither Phil&#039;s representation of the issue in his post nor the comments of the referenced commisioner would fall anywhere near the category of &quot;extreme&quot;.  Now, your comment above... THAT I think might qualify as extreme.

Second, &quot;girl slap fight over their matching prom dresses&quot;?  Are you rejecting relevent content in favor of mildly amusing humor?  If so, well done!

Third, which moderate folks are you referring to... yourself?  Please... your prior posts on this board would reveal that to be a mis-representation.  And what exactly is &quot;normal&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ian</p>
<blockquote><p>The trend I’ve noticed so far is that the the extreme creationist folks try to pull a fast one, the extreme atheists then have kittens and while those two scream at each other and basically engage in a girl slap fight over their matching prom dresses, the moderate folks work things out get things back to normal.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow.  Great speech.  Got some questions for you, though.  Seems to me the only one being extreme in describing any of this is you.</p>
<p>So&#8230; first, which extremist atheists are &#8220;having kittens&#8221; and what are some examples of these kittens?  Seems to me that neither Phil&#8217;s representation of the issue in his post nor the comments of the referenced commisioner would fall anywhere near the category of &#8220;extreme&#8221;.  Now, your comment above&#8230; THAT I think might qualify as extreme.</p>
<p>Second, &#8220;girl slap fight over their matching prom dresses&#8221;?  Are you rejecting relevent content in favor of mildly amusing humor?  If so, well done!</p>
<p>Third, which moderate folks are you referring to&#8230; yourself?  Please&#8230; your prior posts on this board would reveal that to be a mis-representation.  And what exactly is &#8220;normal&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Taz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The trend I’ve noticed so far is that the the extreme creationist folks try to pull a fast one, the extreme atheists then have kittens...&quot;

Extreme atheists - they don&#039;t just not believe in god, they REALLY don&#039;t believe in god. (Or does it have something to do with not believing in god while snowboarding?) I guess since you&#039;re admitting that the creationists are always trying to &quot;pull a fast one&quot;, it&#039;s a good thing the atheists are there to call them on it. And can we dispense with the idiotic &quot;atheism is a religion&quot; nonsense? If atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The trend I’ve noticed so far is that the the extreme creationist folks try to pull a fast one, the extreme atheists then have kittens&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Extreme atheists &#8211; they don&#8217;t just not believe in god, they REALLY don&#8217;t believe in god. (Or does it have something to do with not believing in god while snowboarding?) I guess since you&#8217;re admitting that the creationists are always trying to &#8220;pull a fast one&#8221;, it&#8217;s a good thing the atheists are there to call them on it. And can we dispense with the idiotic &#8220;atheism is a religion&#8221; nonsense? If atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby.</p>
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		<title>By: MartinM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MartinM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The trend I’ve noticed so far is that the the extreme creationist folks try to pull a fast one, the extreme atheists then have kittens and while those two scream at each other and basically engage in a girl slap fight over their matching prom dresses, the moderate folks work things out get things back to normal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fortunately, no reasonable observer could &lt;i&gt;possibly&lt;/i&gt; regard this as one of those moderate folks having a good time patting himself on the back and being smarmy about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The trend I’ve noticed so far is that the the extreme creationist folks try to pull a fast one, the extreme atheists then have kittens and while those two scream at each other and basically engage in a girl slap fight over their matching prom dresses, the moderate folks work things out get things back to normal.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fortunately, no reasonable observer could <i>possibly</i> regard this as one of those moderate folks having a good time patting himself on the back and being smarmy about it.</p>
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