“Another important difference: Scientists don’t go around blowing themselves up on crowded buses.”

Er .. in fairness though wasn’t it science that came up with the bomb -incl. the A-bomb?

A cheap shot at Islam from I’m guessing an American who knows nothing but what their own bigoted, Islamophobic Jewish-owned media tells them is neither clever, surpirsing nor funny.

Maybe a bit of deeper thought on what the Palestineans, Iraqis’ & others must be going through & how desperate and, yes, courageous they must really be would be more productive & more enlightening than the usual Arab-bashing. Just a thought eh ..?

There are good reasons why suicide bombers do what they do. NOT that it justifies them – to us – but it sure justifies it for *them.*

Understand this and then we can be better placed to prevent them – by tackling the root causes rather than just the symptoms ..Untoil we do that – there can’t be any peace.

Hmm … Make that old Medievela Crusaderdays not modern Iraq-war crusader days ..

A. Start smoking dope, Drinking Boones Farm and listening to Alice’s Restaurant.

or

B. Stop smoking dope, Drinking Boones Farm and listening to Alice’s Restaurant.

What ever works.

I’d be surprised. Most FC’s I’ve met haven’t even read the Bible.

Short answer is that there are central beliefs held in common. Once you get beyond that things are not as clear. Fundamentalist Christianity is one huge tent. Put two Fundamentalist Christians of differing opinions together, and don’t be surprised if they start pulling out Hebrew and Greek reference books.

Regarding this “Allah’s scientist’s” views… these people are just like the web cranks that sell crystalized all-natural cowpies (purchased from aliens from Andromeda) to cure cancer and boost libido. I honestly don’t know whether to laugh or cry at this stuff. It’s almost like an April Fool’s Joke gone horribly wrong; these people make up stuff so crazy it’s unbelievable, yet its amazing how many people fall for it anyway.

Islam has a big thing against idolatry. So the next time this fellow disrespects science then perhaps someone should reciprocate by building a Flying Spaghetti Monster idol and sending it his way…

I addressed this issue yesterday. It turns out that the clerics are actually looking for a beach holiday.
http://lablemminglounge.blogspot.com/2008/04/do-muslim-clerics-need-holiday.html

…. and we’re not changing the signs for anyone.

secondly
“literal Koranists can define their time zones any way they want, but good luck to them in convincing anyone else of it”

well our lovley idiot govenor spent the first 2 years in Indy getting this state timezone change to eastern, funny last i looked we in indiana werent close to the east cost, and studies have shown that time zone change accomplished NOTHING

I usually refer to ‘funny mentalists’

Posted: 14 Rabi al-Sani 1429 (Muslim calendar)

J/P=?

What are the fundamentals, you ask? Read Hobb’s “Fundamentals of Our Faith” or check out Billy Graham’s web site.

There are plenty of references – the problem is choosing which to list. The main one that came to mind was Acts 17:10-11, but it goes all the way back to Deuteronomy 18:22. Jeremiah really lit into false prophets. The account of Daniel and the prophets of Bel in the Apocrypha is a classic case of fraud detection. Christians are warned to beware of false teachers. John warned not to blindly accept what seems to be a religious revelation (1 John 4:1). When John the Baptist has some doubts, Jesus didn’t rebuke him (Matthew 11:2-5). Paul warns against false preachers in it for personal gain (Romans 16:18 and Philippians 3:18-19). And so forth and so on.

Looking both through Nave and Torray’s topical bibles, I find all sorts of references to false prophets and teachers. The idea that not all that glitters is made of gold is a strong one throughout the bible.

Actually, KC, in modern usage the term “fundamentalist” has, over the last decade or two, acquired a specific meaning when referring to religion. It is no longer simply a return to fundamentals (which are what, exactly, anyway?). It is adherence to one interpretation of scripture that is at variance with reality.

(As immortalised by Iron Maiden in the song “The Sheriff of Huddersfield”, but I couldn’t find a website that actually had the lyrics correct [after all, there is a difference between navies and navvies that I think is important].)

I was watching Jeopardy and the answer was “If you gave Canada an enema, you’d put the hose here.” and the correct question turned out to be “What is Toronto?”

BA said:

“Fundamentalism, in any flavor, really plays havoc with reality.”

Actually, that’s open-ended. Fundamentalism of any flavor is a return to the fundamentals. Just listen to any coach who’s had a bad year and is trying to impress fans that he’s going to turn the team around. Most of the time he will say “We’ve got to get back to the fundamentals.” Arguably, by maintaining the rigorous application of the scientific method, a person can be a Science Fundamentalist – and none of us here would think this to be a bad thing.

Obviously the fundamentals of football and the fundamentals of science are different things because they’re different pursuits. An Islamic Fundamentalist, a member of an Orthodox Jewish synagogue, and a Fundamentalist Southern Baptist are going to believe different things because the fundamentals of their faiths are different.

I disagree that there’ll always be trouble where science overlaps Fundamentalist beliefs. If you have access to a Schofield Study Bible, either the print version or on-line, check out his comments on Genesis 1. Speaking as a Fundi Christian, the first thing to do when there seems to be a conflict is to check and see if what we think the Bible says is actually there or is an assumption on our part

When my children were young, they were at first upset when a science magazine I bought them described the current theories on the formation of the sun and solar system. I pointed out that the Bible simply says that God created the Heavens and the Earth, not how He did it. Conflict resolved.

There’s really very little conflict. Despite what some think the bible says (including those who say they believe in it), the Bible advocates the use of medicine and the practice of critical thinking. It also has Paul suggesting a church send representatives to make sure donated funds were used properly – something the televangelists don’t seem to mention. Nothing in the Bible conflicts with the Big Bang theory, although some think it does.

On the very few areas where it seems to be in conflict, I remember an astronomy book called “The Stars in Their Courses,” published about a century ago. It describes the Andromeda Nebula. We now know, of course, that it’s one of a dizzying number of galaxies. Science is a process. What we know, like the fuzzy image of the Andromeda Galaxy a century ago, comes into sharper focus with better understanding. Science changes.

Maybe some think that’s a crackpot Fundi idea. If so . . . shrug. Call me a crackpot, then. I’ll still look at the planets through my small reflector telescope and support the space program. And I’ll still be a Fundi Christian. The two are not mutually exclusive.