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	<title>Comments on: What does a nebula look like up close?</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: light on earth - Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/26/what-does-a-nebula-look-like-up-close/#comment-133390</link>
		<dc:creator>light on earth - Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/26/what-does-a-nebula-look-like-up-close/#comment-133390</guid>
		<description>[...] were close enough for it to fill the sky, it would still be pale and gray.    Expert confirmation: BA Blog: What does a nebula look like up close?   [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] were close enough for it to fill the sky, it would still be pale and gray.    Expert confirmation: BA Blog: What does a nebula look like up close?   [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Pharmancy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What Does a Nebula Look Like Up Close?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/26/what-does-a-nebula-look-like-up-close/#comment-84776</link>
		<dc:creator>Pharmancy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What Does a Nebula Look Like Up Close?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/26/what-does-a-nebula-look-like-up-close/#comment-84776</guid>
		<description>[...] Dr. Phil Plait, answers a question on what it might be like to see a nebula up close and personal.read more &#124; digg [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Dr. Phil Plait, answers a question on what it might be like to see a nebula up close and personal.read more | digg [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: A Nerd&#8217;s Haven / Tastee (del.icio.us) links!</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/26/what-does-a-nebula-look-like-up-close/#comment-84775</link>
		<dc:creator>A Nerd&#8217;s Haven / Tastee (del.icio.us) links!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 11:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/26/what-does-a-nebula-look-like-up-close/#comment-84775</guid>
		<description>[...] Bad Astronomy Blog &#187; What does a nebula look like up close? - This is a pretty interesting video about &#8212; you guessed it, what a nebula would look like up close. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Bad Astronomy Blog &raquo; What does a nebula look like up close? - This is a pretty interesting video about &#8212; you guessed it, what a nebula would look like up close. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Clair</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/26/what-does-a-nebula-look-like-up-close/#comment-84774</link>
		<dc:creator>Clair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/26/what-does-a-nebula-look-like-up-close/#comment-84774</guid>
		<description>I am a perfect example of the lesson learned. I'm much better looking from far away than up close!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a perfect example of the lesson learned. I&#8217;m much better looking from far away than up close!</p>
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		<title>By: MandyDax</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/26/what-does-a-nebula-look-like-up-close/#comment-84773</link>
		<dc:creator>MandyDax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/26/what-does-a-nebula-look-like-up-close/#comment-84773</guid>
		<description>Phil, that was wonderful :D  I started giggling part-way through when you were holding the book up to show us the nebulae you were talking about.  It's just that you reminded me of a friend's kid who likes to show people his picture book of big trucks. "And this is a fire truck, and this is a dump truck, and this is a bulldozer.  That's my favorite."

On a more serious note, it really makes sense, even without the math, that you wouldn't see much from  inside a nebula.  When we photograph these using long exposures and special filters, it appears as a ring, but it's really a spheroid shell, and we only see the edges where it's the thickest.  The shell's still there within the image of the ring, but it's not visible. (I think of this as where it would be densest if we compressed it into a 2-D plane perpendicular to the line of sight, which is kind of what a photo of a tenuous nebula would tend to be.)  Also, turn the pic of the Eye of God 90° and it looks for like the Eye of Sauron. ~_^

My pick for star to visit would be... Betelgeuse comes to mind first, but at the point where it goes supernova.  Of course, that's up-close study of it as it's entering the end of its life, and then time-dilated, invulnerable ship to study the supernova itself over the course of however long it takes to get good readings of all of what's going on.  (Since this journey is fiction, I decided I'm an Astronomer studying the hard data up close and personal, with all the gear that can survive a supernova and gather data without getting destroyed in the process.) It'll make a spectacular show for you us Earthlings when it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, that was wonderful <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  I started giggling part-way through when you were holding the book up to show us the nebulae you were talking about.  It&#8217;s just that you reminded me of a friend&#8217;s kid who likes to show people his picture book of big trucks. &#8220;And this is a fire truck, and this is a dump truck, and this is a bulldozer.  That&#8217;s my favorite.&#8221;</p>
<p>On a more serious note, it really makes sense, even without the math, that you wouldn&#8217;t see much from  inside a nebula.  When we photograph these using long exposures and special filters, it appears as a ring, but it&#8217;s really a spheroid shell, and we only see the edges where it&#8217;s the thickest.  The shell&#8217;s still there within the image of the ring, but it&#8217;s not visible. (I think of this as where it would be densest if we compressed it into a 2-D plane perpendicular to the line of sight, which is kind of what a photo of a tenuous nebula would tend to be.)  Also, turn the pic of the Eye of God 90° and it looks for like the Eye of Sauron. ~_^</p>
<p>My pick for star to visit would be&#8230; Betelgeuse comes to mind first, but at the point where it goes supernova.  Of course, that&#8217;s up-close study of it as it&#8217;s entering the end of its life, and then time-dilated, invulnerable ship to study the supernova itself over the course of however long it takes to get good readings of all of what&#8217;s going on.  (Since this journey is fiction, I decided I&#8217;m an Astronomer studying the hard data up close and personal, with all the gear that can survive a supernova and gather data without getting destroyed in the process.) It&#8217;ll make a spectacular show for you us Earthlings when it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Thanny</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/26/what-does-a-nebula-look-like-up-close/#comment-84772</link>
		<dc:creator>Thanny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/26/what-does-a-nebula-look-like-up-close/#comment-84772</guid>
		<description>BA misspoke about how telescopes work.  When you look at a nebula through a telescope, you are seeing it dimmer than with your naked eye.  The higher the magnification, the dimmer it appears.

The telescope objective collects more light, but as magnification goes up, it spreads that light over a larger area.  When the magnification equals about 1/7th the aperture in millimeters, the image will be as bright as it can be - pretty much equal to naked eye brightness, with light loss due to scattering and absorption subtracted.

This is true of any extended object, including nebulae, planets, and most galaxies.  Only when the image source is too small to be resolved, and appears to be a point, will the telescope actually make it brighter.  That's the case with stars, where all the additional light collected (over the naked eye) is focused on the same area, instead of being spread out.  Increasing magnification actually makes the star brighter, too, since the atmosphere ( a very dim extended image) becomes darker.  Until your aperture goes so high that the star becomes resolved into a disc, that is.  After that, increases in aperture no longer make the star brighter than the largest aperture that still leaves it a point source.

I'm sure Phil knows all this, but his comment in the video about collecting more light to make things brighter leaves the wrong impression.

The real secret to making nebulae and other extended objects fantastically bright and interesting to look at is extended exposure, as someone else pointed out.  Our eyes don't work that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BA misspoke about how telescopes work.  When you look at a nebula through a telescope, you are seeing it dimmer than with your naked eye.  The higher the magnification, the dimmer it appears.</p>
<p>The telescope objective collects more light, but as magnification goes up, it spreads that light over a larger area.  When the magnification equals about 1/7th the aperture in millimeters, the image will be as bright as it can be - pretty much equal to naked eye brightness, with light loss due to scattering and absorption subtracted.</p>
<p>This is true of any extended object, including nebulae, planets, and most galaxies.  Only when the image source is too small to be resolved, and appears to be a point, will the telescope actually make it brighter.  That&#8217;s the case with stars, where all the additional light collected (over the naked eye) is focused on the same area, instead of being spread out.  Increasing magnification actually makes the star brighter, too, since the atmosphere ( a very dim extended image) becomes darker.  Until your aperture goes so high that the star becomes resolved into a disc, that is.  After that, increases in aperture no longer make the star brighter than the largest aperture that still leaves it a point source.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Phil knows all this, but his comment in the video about collecting more light to make things brighter leaves the wrong impression.</p>
<p>The real secret to making nebulae and other extended objects fantastically bright and interesting to look at is extended exposure, as someone else pointed out.  Our eyes don&#8217;t work that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Dziban</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/04/26/what-does-a-nebula-look-like-up-close/#comment-84771</link>
		<dc:creator>Dziban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to recall more instances of your math being wrong (forgot to carry something, didn't translate from scientific notation correctly...there's been a few of them) than right, BA, so how can I trust your assertion that you "did the math"? For all I know you calculated how many Cheerios are in a box on average. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to recall more instances of your math being wrong (forgot to carry something, didn&#8217;t translate from scientific notation correctly&#8230;there&#8217;s been a few of them) than right, BA, so how can I trust your assertion that you &#8220;did the math&#8221;? For all I know you calculated how many Cheerios are in a box on average. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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