Blog war

By Phil Plait | May 2, 2008 12:47 pm

Well, it’s more of a skirmish, since it’s just the two of us.

He has more readers, but I own the skies. Dropping a rock or two on the ocean would decide this pretty easily.

But how will it all end? Come to TAM 6 and find out.

Tip o’ the battle helmet to HalfMooner at Skeptic Friends.

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Comments (42)

  1. Naked Bunny with a Whip

    Can’t you boys just get along?

    No?

    Awesome.

  2. JRice

    Not to violate the not-being-polite rule, but… I have no love for PZ. I’m here because, more often than not, you’re talking about science. I appreciate the occasional pot-shot at religion (as does any self-respecting skeptic), but that seems to be all PZ can talk about. It’s frustrating to the point of distraction. In fact, I get angry when people describe Pharyngula as a science-blog. It’s not. It’s an atheist blog.

    Don’t get me wrong: I’m glad to have another in our ranks… but it’s not a science blog!

  3. Bad Albert

    “He has more readers, but I own the skies.”

    Air supremacy is essential to victory. Now your ground forces can advance unimpeded.

  4. Tom Marking

    Phil,

    Judging on the basis of the number of 4-letter words per post I’d say Admiral Meyers (he must be from the Navy with such foul language emanating from his lips, right?) has you beat. You might consider increasing your number of F-bombs by a factor of 10^12 if you want to compete with him. Also, just in terms of general contempt for religion and anyone who disagrees with him, I’d say he surpasses you in obnoxiousness which is really what science blogging is all about, right?

    BTW, recently a transcript concerning P.Z.’s early upbringing has come into my possession. It is a recorded conversation between P.Z. and his mother which took place in 1958. It has been edited for B.A. blog etiquette:

    Mom: Now, Paul, you didn’t eat your spinach.
    Paul: #^$% spinach, I hate it!

    Mom: Young man, we don’t use that kind of language in this house.
    Paul: #^$% language, I hate it!

    Mom: Do you want your mouth washed out with soap just like we did yesterday?
    Paul: #^$% soap, I hate it!

    (Mom puts bar of soap in young Paul’s mouth)
    Mom: You’d better pray to Jesus for forgiveness for using that word.
    Paul: #^$% Jehhhhmmmmsssus, Ayyyhhh hetttteeee Jehhhhmmmmsssus!

    (Taking bar of soap out)
    Mom: I hope you learned your lesson, young man. God will forgive you if you say you’re sorry.
    Paul: #^$% God, I hate Him!

    Mom: My, oh my, what will ever become of you. Do you want to be like those atheist scientists?
    Paul: #^$% Science, I love it!
    .
    .
    .

  5. The Veritech thing makes you (at least, for me) the absolute winner, Phil!

    Though I like PZ’s blog too.

  6. ~

    Phil gets to be a Veritech/Valkyrie from Robotech/Macross. And its Max’s. Words can’t describe how awesome that cover is.

  7. zeb

    The trouble is if you try to attack PZ, he’ll just squirt ink at you and run away…

  8. JackC

    I would really enjoy sitting down and having a chat with you over coffee.

    I would really like to sit down with PZ and have a chat over a coffee or, preferably a beer – as long as we stormed the castle afterwards.

    See the difference?

    JC

  9. Gary

    Blog war? Nah, tempest in a teapot.

  10. Naked Bunny with a Whip

    @JRice: I treat blogs like the editorial pages of a newspaper. When I read a blog, I want to see the author’s opinion on the subject he’s writing about. Both Phil and PZ write a lot about research, but the proportion here is a bit higher over “off-topic” posts largely because PZ often just plain posts more, and opinion pieces are quicker to write than long research essays.

    PZ chooses to focus more on the social issues surrounding science, which sadly involves religion a lot. But that doesn’t mean his blog isn’t about science. What you call “taking potshots” I call “pointing out the intellectual rot impeding progress”. I suppose it comes down to your comfort level and your interests. Personally, if I just want to read about current research, I’ll go to a journal, not a blog.

    @Tom Marking: Paul: #^$% Science, I love it!

    I didn’t really get your point, but that last line made me laugh.

  11. Tom Marking

    “@Tom Marking: Paul: #^$% Science, I love it!

    I didn’t really get your point, but that last line made me laugh.”

    I suggest you check out:

    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/05/happy_national_day_of_prayer.php#comments

    There are 408 comments and 109 F-bombs including the original post. Out of 31,973 words posted 109 of them are the F-bomb or some derivation of it, or 0.3% of the words. Posters tend to take after the blogger. If the blogger has a foul mouth then the posters will tend to follow. So can you figure out what #^$% is, now? If so then you shall have received the point of the message.

  12. Gadren

    To a degree I have to agree with JRice. Speaking as an atheist who hates the term “bitter” being thrown at us so often nowadays, I nonetheless find PZ’s blog, while not bad (and I want to make this clear), to focus more on religion/science stuff more than I would like.

    Having subscribed to both for a while, I found that as I read PZ’s blog, I felt more frustration and irritation at anti-science nuts — to the point where I felt over-saturated. Of course, this blog also talks about some of that, but balances it nicely with chances to feel real awe and amazement at the universe and our work in understanding it.

    And I think that’s what a science blog should really do: demonstrate the power and awesomeness of science and help teach its readers about science. Blogs that don’t quite make that mark can either go too much on offense or defense regarding the religion/science battle — but the problem they both have is in making that battle (instead of science) the primary battle.

  13. Gadren

    Whoops, I meant to say “the primary focus” at the end.

  14. But let’s refocus on the war. Telescopes vs. tentacles! I’ll be at TAM and I want you to know I’ll be right behind you, Phil. I’ll bravely offer advice from a safe distance. I’ve also got a bar of lead to put inside your boxing glove.

  15. Brian

    I agree with a lot of those points, but it’s so clear to me that it’s due to the current social circumstances of the USA, rather than anything about the two gentlemen in question. The folks trying to use religion as a political weapon have chosen to focus on biology right now. They could just as easily have chosen to attack cosmology (and in fact you even see hints of that when they make those bizarre statements like “Darwin can’t explain where the universe came from, so it must be garbage”). If they had, I expect we’d be seeing a lot more about the religious nuts here in BadAstronomy and less over in Pharyngula.

  16. AJ

    PZ’s blog is where I go for my daily Two Minutes of Hate. Bad Astronomy is where I go to be inspired and amazed by the wonders of the universe.

    Sure, phara-whatever-it-is has some nifty biology stuff every now and then, but how can that compete with the coolness of nebulae, galactical collisions, etc.?

    Science needs more popularizers, and fewer hate mongerers, even though those religious nuts are easy to hate on.

    My vote goes to Phil :)

  17. Naked Bunny with a Whip

    Tom Marking: If the blogger has a foul mouth

    Oh, I get it now. You buy into the whole “dirty words” concept. I don’t. Sometimes it takes forceful words to get across strong feelings, and a guttural, monosyllabic expletive can be just the thing at times. I don’t like “political correctness” from any angle.

    @Gadren: to the point where I felt over-saturated.

    Oh, I hear ya! I deal with outrage fatigue by skipping articles that I can tell from the title will set it off. Ultimately, i have control over what I read.

  18. Tom Marking

    “Oh, I get it now. You buy into the whole “dirty words” concept. I don’t. Sometimes it takes forceful words to get across strong feelings, and a guttural, monosyllabic expletive can be just the thing at times.”

    Yeah, I must admit that I do buy into the whole discredited idea that insulting people tends to piss them off and tends to generate death threats for yourself (which BTW Admiral Meyers is now complaining about vociferously). Let me search my memory to see if there are any examples of people who tossed F-bombs my way which resulted in me seeing things their way.

    Hmmm, accessing memory banks… accessing memory banks… Nope, can’t find any examples. I think I’ll stick with that discredited idea.

    Also, one tends to wonder if Admiral Meyers has ever played a game such as tic-tac-toe or chess. There is such a thing as strategy in the game of getting what you want, you know.

  19. NoAstronomer

    Dropping a rock or two on the ocean would decide this pretty easily.

    Better make it a *big* rock, didn’t the squids survive the last one?

  20. Naked Bunny with a Whip

    @Tom Marking: the whole discredited idea that insulting people

    I was talking about specific “naughty” words, since that seemed to be your focus. You never got beyond the words to actual ideas, that I saw. However, given your increasing belligerence — and keeping in mind that this is not Pharyngula — I’m closing out this thread before either of us draws Phil’s wrath.

  21. aiabx

    If I had to choose just one blog to follow, I’d go for BA, a) because I love astronomy so much and b) because I’m looking forward to the Science of Iron Man post, but I sure do love the no-holds-barred, boots-to-the-groin attacks on nonsense that PZ serves up.
    PZ also has the snarkiest commentariat this side of Sadly No.

  22. In regards to Brian’s comment, I’d have to agree, and I figure that’s why the focus over there is the way it is.

  23. Oortillery FTW.

  24. themadlolscientist

    @ Reynold Hall: teh st00pid. iz burrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnzzzzzzzzzz! You and PZ owe me an eyeball transplant and an awful lot of skin grafts!

    I hang out on Pharyngula quite a bit, and I get a tremendous kick out of his frequent potshots at the “Fundagelicals.” And I’m a Baptist Preacher’s Kid.

    On the whole, I greatly prefer hanging out with atheists and agnostics, even the hardcore ones, because [1] They don’t check their intelligence at the door, [2] they don’t demand that I check my intelligence at the door, [3] They respect my intelligence in nonreligious matters, [4] they have a much better grip on reality, and [5] I agree with about 99% of what PZ et al. say about the phenomenal, stubbornly maintained st00pidity of Fundy Mental Cases even though I don’t agree with the notion that all faith/religion is bad.

    So I say: Bring on the F-bombing F-bombs, PZ. I don’t blame you a F-bombing bit, and I don’t take it personally that you probably think I’m still just a tiny bit F-bombing idiotic for remaining a F-bombing person of faith. Sometimes I get so F-bombing pissed off at those F-bombing Fundy Dementalist motherF-bombers, I drop a few myself. You can say whatever you F-bombing want — it’s your F-bombing blog. And any F-bomber who doesn’t like your F-bombing tone can just go F-bomb themselves.

  25. themadlolscientist

    @Ysabel: “Oortilley” ROFLMAO! u is win dis thred!

  26. themadlolscientist

    Oh F-bombing maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, I can’t F-bombing type! I meant “Oortillery”! You really need a F-bombing preview function on this F-bombing blog, BA! :-)

  27. Tom Marking

    “I don’t take it personally that you probably think I’m still just a tiny bit F-bombing idiotic for remaining a F-bombing person of faith.”

    So you’re a Christian who appreciates the Admiral when he says you’re stupid? When the Admiral says “Christianity is a creepy death cult” (http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/04/morbid_freaks.php) what makes you think he’s referring just to fundamentalist Christians? He’s referring to all Christians. But I guess you enjoy that.

    At least people will know what to get you for Christmas next year – a set of bullwhips so you can self-flagellate.

  28. ” Ariel R. Guerreroon 02 May 2008 at 1:26 pm

    The Veritech thing makes you (at least, for me) the absolute winner, Phil!

    Though I like PZ’s blog too.

    ~on 02 May 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Phil gets to be a Veritech/Valkyrie from Robotech/Macross. And its Max’s. Words can’t describe how awesome that cover is.”

    I guess he’ll have to change his handle from BA to VF/1A! ;)

  29. Knight of L-sama

    Mmm, I smell troll!

    Back on topic as ~ pointed out, Phil as a VF-1 (in Max’s colours no less) is awesome, but it brings up an important question in how to ensure his impending victory. Does he prefer pop or rock and thus do we bring out Minmei or Fire Bomber?

    Though if he likes more trance or techno stuff I suppose we could bust out the psychotic AI.

  30. Gilles

    I seems to me that Mr Plait and Mr Mr Myers somehow need the anti-science nuts and I can’t figure the reason… I would be happier if both Mr Plait and Mr Myers would write less about religion, ID, etc. and more or exclusively about science. I try to read only the science posts, but I don’t need to be reminded each time I visit their blogs that there are stupid people everywhere, I already know that and it is becoming tiresome.

  31. themadlolscientist

    “At least people will know what to get you for Christmas next year – a set of bullwhips so you can self-flagellate.”

    No thanks, blood and guts aren’t my style. That stuff is about as weird and incomprehensible to me as it is to you. Where I come from, Fundy Mentalness is a Very Strange Planet. :-/

    It’s been at least 30 years since I considered myself conventionally “religious,” even by the liberal-to-radical standards I grew up with. What I’ve ended up with is a lot more Quakerish or Unitarian-Universalist than “mainline.” I’d even go so far as to say I’m an agnostic :-0 at least half the time.

    I’ve seen plenty of bad religion, but I’ve seen a lot of good religion too. Unfortunately, bad religion tends to drive out good religion, just like bad money drives out good…….

    Anyway, I’ve made my peace with the whole biz of “belief”/”nonbelief” as my conscience sees fit. I gave up years ago on trying to explain to myself or anyone else why I’ve lost my religion (several times) but somehow retained a core of something I still call “faith.”

    If that makes me a little bit “stupid” by anyone else’s standards, no biggie. I hope people are judging me more by what I do than what I claim to “believe.” I do my damnedest [1] not to be stupid about other things, [2] not to try to convince anyone else that they should share my stupidity, and [3] not to make the world over in the image of that stupidity.

    One thing I do know is that all that Fundy Dementorist crap is as dangerous to me as it is to you because it’s stupid not only about its theology but about life, history, human nature, the universe, and everything in general, and it’s hellbent on shoehorning the world into its little box of overall stupidity. :-P If you’ll excuse the expression, IMO it’s the atheists and the agnostics who are on the side of the angels here. :-)

    So if you want to razz me, go right ahead. At least being razzed by atheists doesn’t give me a splitting headache and depress the hell out of me the way being razzed by Fundy Mental Cases does.

  32. John Phillips, FCD

    Tom Marking, again I see you are putting words into other peoples mouth, for nowhere has PZ actually complained about any death threats, unless you consider reporting them to be complaining about them. Then again, you do have the ability to read into other peoples posts or blogs exactly what supports your latest rant. As I said in another reply to you on another thread, you really are a sad piece of work. But hey, don’t let that stop you misrepresenting people, it appears to be your only talent.

  33. KaiYves

    Sweet anime battle suit, BA!
    I support you because I have an inate fear of octopus tentacles.

  34. Should check out the IP of that Kendall guy; I’ve just found out the hard way that some “roomates” were able to get into my room, and got access to my computer while I was out. The one night I leave my computer running (for that folding at home stuff) and someone gets into my room!

  35. Ignorant Atheist

    While I feel your blog is the more in general, readable, I find bzeds to have the better in the form of communal discussionabilty to coin a word.

  36. Tom Marking

    “Tom Marking, again I see you are putting words into other peoples mouth, for nowhere has PZ actually complained about any death threats, unless you consider reporting them to be complaining about them.”

    Consult the dictionary, you Dope. I’d say definition #1 pretty much covers it.

    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/05/the_recent_mabus_incursion.php

    “He has been escalating his attacks lately, and if they get any worse, I’ll be contacting the authorities myself. This is one of those cases where I’ve been targeted by someone with a severe mental disorder, and I think he can be a real risk”

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/complain

    com·plain
    –verb (used without object)
    1. to express dissatisfaction, pain, uneasiness, censure, resentment, or grief; find fault: He complained constantly about the noise in the corridor.
    2. to tell of one’s pains, ailments, etc.: to complain of a backache.
    3. to make a formal accusation: If you think you’ve been swindled, complain to the police.

  37. allkom

    Having a more technical background my vote must go to BA with his fascinating and clearly explained posts. That being said, I think PZ’s blog with the irate and sometimes comical posts and comments, makes more for the amusement.
    But I bet if the YEC start issuing strong opinions on astronomy, calling astronomers and physicists “Einstenians” or something similar, and start a campaign to teach the alternative “Intelligent Physics” to promote 6000 years old universe, we will start to see a lot of F bombs and irate answers here as well.

  38. DaveKan

    I think you win merely by the fact that you are able to convert into a Robotech fighter…

  39. Why the competition anyway? Both blogs are essential reading in my opinion. Different topics, different styles, different approaches, but both equally appetising. More power to both of yez!

  40. Gumba Masta

    Say, am I the only one who incidently thought Star Scream when they saw the giant robot Plait?

  41. At least people will know what to get you for Christmas next year – a set of bullwhips so you can self-flagellate.

    Self flagellation is still occasionally practised by some Christians and a few Muslim sects so, yeah, do you really wonder why some of us do consider Christianity at least a little bit a creepy death cult?

    Also amused by the “Admiral” bit. Anyone that is familiar with navies knows that foul (your term not mine) language isn’t usually tolerated in the higher ranks. PZ would probably be a PO or Chief or something.

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