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	<title>Comments on: Newest of new moons</title>
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	<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/05/newest-of-new-moons/</link>
	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Mr Elsässer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/05/newest-of-new-moons/comment-page-1/#comment-86537</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Elsässer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course we knew about the time of new-moon (several different definitions are available) but due to clouds we could not quite acchieve the &quot;NULL&quot;.

&quot;Schweinewolke&quot; is a derogatory term for the very cloud which prevented the NULL and could be translated as &quot;pig-cloud&quot; (not meaning to insult any pigs, of course.)

The images are processed images: Adding about 100 images from a videostream, applying a flat-field, applying a auto-flat, adjusting contrast and brightness.

The brightest part of the crescent was about 0.3% brighter than the background sky (foreground actually), as measured from the best image, some hours before new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course we knew about the time of new-moon (several different definitions are available) but due to clouds we could not quite acchieve the &#8220;NULL&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Schweinewolke&#8221; is a derogatory term for the very cloud which prevented the NULL and could be translated as &#8220;pig-cloud&#8221; (not meaning to insult any pigs, of course.)</p>
<p>The images are processed images: Adding about 100 images from a videostream, applying a flat-field, applying a auto-flat, adjusting contrast and brightness.</p>
<p>The brightest part of the crescent was about 0.3% brighter than the background sky (foreground actually), as measured from the best image, some hours before new.</p>
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		<title>By: puckchaser</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/05/newest-of-new-moons/comment-page-1/#comment-86536</link>
		<dc:creator>puckchaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 15:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have taken a video, and then a screen cap .... just sayin..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have taken a video, and then a screen cap &#8230;. just sayin..</p>
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		<title>By: Cool (or at least Interesting) Links in Science and SF</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/05/newest-of-new-moons/comment-page-1/#comment-86535</link>
		<dc:creator>Cool (or at least Interesting) Links in Science and SF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 09:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bad Astronomy reports a photo of the newest of new moon. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bad Astronomy reports a photo of the newest of new moon. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tony873004</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/05/newest-of-new-moons/comment-page-1/#comment-86534</link>
		<dc:creator>tony873004</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During a solar eclipse, features on the Moon&#039;s dark side can be seen.  Why doesn&#039;t this count as the record?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During a solar eclipse, features on the Moon&#8217;s dark side can be seen.  Why doesn&#8217;t this count as the record?</p>
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		<title>By: Gnat</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/05/newest-of-new-moons/comment-page-1/#comment-86533</link>
		<dc:creator>Gnat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 16:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a purely asctetic note: the colors are absolutely beautiful!  It&#039;s my new background!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a purely asctetic note: the colors are absolutely beautiful!  It&#8217;s my new background!</p>
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		<title>By: Colin M</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/05/newest-of-new-moons/comment-page-1/#comment-86532</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 15:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ken B: &quot;That image was taken when the Moon was still 19 degrees from the Sun... he got the Moon five minutes before new&quot;

The image BA displayed in his post was taken 19 degrees from the sun.  This *isn&#039;t* the same image that was taken five minutes before new.  THat image is here:

http://www.mondatlas.de/other/martinel/sicheln2008/mai/1408_cropped.jpg

As for schweinewolke, it&#039;s definitely something cloud-related -- the English page I linked to in my previous post (see above) says the following:

&quot;Though clouds moved in, we managed to capture the crescent up till 14:13 CEST (UT+2), only 5 minutes from conjunction, at an elongation of 4.58°. ... Due to clouds, the earliest image after conjunction was not made before 15:02 CEST, some 44 minutes after conjunction. The rotation of the crescent is well visible, when comparing with earlier images.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ken B: &#8220;That image was taken when the Moon was still 19 degrees from the Sun&#8230; he got the Moon five minutes before new&#8221;</p>
<p>The image BA displayed in his post was taken 19 degrees from the sun.  This *isn&#8217;t* the same image that was taken five minutes before new.  THat image is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mondatlas.de/other/martinel/sicheln2008/mai/1408_cropped.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.mondatlas.de/other/martinel/sicheln2008/mai/1408_cropped.jpg</a></p>
<p>As for schweinewolke, it&#8217;s definitely something cloud-related &#8212; the English page I linked to in my previous post (see above) says the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;Though clouds moved in, we managed to capture the crescent up till 14:13 CEST (UT+2), only 5 minutes from conjunction, at an elongation of 4.58°. &#8230; Due to clouds, the earliest image after conjunction was not made before 15:02 CEST, some 44 minutes after conjunction. The rotation of the crescent is well visible, when comparing with earlier images.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ken B.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/05/newest-of-new-moons/comment-page-1/#comment-86531</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 13:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard B. Drumm:
&lt;blockquote&gt;If he’d waited 5 more minutes to snap his photo he’d have a record that would have to stand -FOREVER- !!!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The linked article says:
&lt;blockquote&gt;And if there hadn&#039;t been a &quot;Schweinewolke&quot; at the wrong moment, the first-ever image of the crescent at the very moment of new moon would have been no problem, too.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(So, what does &quot;Schweinewolke&quot; mean? A literal translation is &quot;pig cloud&quot;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard B. Drumm:</p>
<blockquote><p>If he’d waited 5 more minutes to snap his photo he’d have a record that would have to stand -FOREVER- !!!</p></blockquote>
<p>The linked article says:</p>
<blockquote><p>And if there hadn&#8217;t been a &#8220;Schweinewolke&#8221; at the wrong moment, the first-ever image of the crescent at the very moment of new moon would have been no problem, too.</p></blockquote>
<p>(So, what does &#8220;Schweinewolke&#8221; mean? A literal translation is &#8220;pig cloud&#8221;.)</p>
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