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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Nes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/05/where-theres-a-wil/comment-page-2/#comment-86483</link>
		<dc:creator>Nes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 23:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I might have been one of 3 people that actually liked Wesley Crusher.&quot;

I guess I&#039;m one of the other two :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I might have been one of 3 people that actually liked Wesley Crusher.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m one of the other two <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: James H.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/05/where-theres-a-wil/comment-page-2/#comment-86482</link>
		<dc:creator>James H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now if Wes Crusher were to trek around the galaxy with Seven of Nine....now yer talkin&#039;, I&#039;d watch that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now if Wes Crusher were to trek around the galaxy with Seven of Nine&#8230;.now yer talkin&#8217;, I&#8217;d watch that!</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 07:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are good points Tom, but that was just the episodic nature of shows of the time. The idea that a show could continue like Lost or 24 as one story would have been unthinkable by producers at the time. Any new effort should follow this format, and use stand alone episodes less often. They did try to make explanations for some of the cop outs. One TNG episode involved an ancient race of bipeds that seeded the galaxy, explaining the standard shape of all intelligent life.
ST is just there to exite the mind, and for all of its issues it has displayed moments of brilliance. The show you describe could never be Star Trek, although I would very much like to see a realistic interpretation of s space based TV show. In reality:
ACTION + SPACE TRAVEL = DISASTER  (not a working equation!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are good points Tom, but that was just the episodic nature of shows of the time. The idea that a show could continue like Lost or 24 as one story would have been unthinkable by producers at the time. Any new effort should follow this format, and use stand alone episodes less often. They did try to make explanations for some of the cop outs. One TNG episode involved an ancient race of bipeds that seeded the galaxy, explaining the standard shape of all intelligent life.<br />
ST is just there to exite the mind, and for all of its issues it has displayed moments of brilliance. The show you describe could never be Star Trek, although I would very much like to see a realistic interpretation of s space based TV show. In reality:<br />
ACTION + SPACE TRAVEL = DISASTER  (not a working equation!)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Marking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Marking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 22:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My take on the whole Star Trek phenonema is that certain assumptions which were built into the original series in the 1960&#039;s due to budget constraints essentially became locked in and couldn&#039;t be changed in the 1980&#039;s when TNG came around even though there was now a special effects budget that could support lots and lots of new ideas.

So such assumptions as
1.) There are an enormous number of planets that humans can beam down to and have no problem breathing the atmosphere (20% oxygen, 80% nitrogen, 101,300 pascals, ~288 deg Kelvin, etc.)

2.) There are an enormous number of planets in the galaxy containing humanoid life forms (two arms, two legs, one head with a mouth, a nose, two eyes, and two ears) who either speak English as a second language or can be understood via a universal translator

etc., etc.

There were small differences in these assumptions between TOS and TNG such as Warf getting a skull crest instead of the cheaper makeup that Klingons had in TOS, but for the most part the assumptions were pretty much the same - transporter, warp drive, subspace communication, etc., etc.

I think the TNG series would have been much better if they had started with a blank slate in terms of these assumptions.  No more beaming down to planets with an earth-like atmosphere.  Now, the crew must wear spacesuits and land via shuttlecraft.  You can have several scenes where crew members die when their spacesuits fail or get punctured by hostile action.  No more human-like aliens.  Instead, six-legged creatures with exoskeletons that use bioluminescence for communication and not sound waves.  Etc.  Etc.

They could also have dealt with more real science issues such as what are the properties of a large Jovian-sized planet, planets with rings, planets or moons with frozen water crusts, cratering, stellar flares endangering the landing party, etc., etc.  Perhaps a real classification of planets rather than the make-believe Type M, etc.  Real spectral classification of stars (O, B, A. F, G, K, M).  Detection of biospheres from a long distance via spectroscopy, etc., etc.  I think it would have been more interesting as well as more educational.  Of course, it would have required a panel of astronomers, NASA people, etc. kept on permanent retainer to keep the scripts honest.

I would have set the stories in the not-too-distant future, let&#039;s say the year 2118 or something like that.  Perhaps the aliens have only been contacted via SETI and no face-to-tentacle meeting has yet taken place.  So there was a lot of stuff that could have been done if they had ditched the original 1960&#039;s show concept.  Of course, that was unlikely to happen while Gene Roddenberry was still alive (he didn&#039;t die until 1991) so I guess I understand why it never happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take on the whole Star Trek phenonema is that certain assumptions which were built into the original series in the 1960&#8217;s due to budget constraints essentially became locked in and couldn&#8217;t be changed in the 1980&#8217;s when TNG came around even though there was now a special effects budget that could support lots and lots of new ideas.</p>
<p>So such assumptions as<br />
1.) There are an enormous number of planets that humans can beam down to and have no problem breathing the atmosphere (20% oxygen, 80% nitrogen, 101,300 pascals, ~288 deg Kelvin, etc.)</p>
<p>2.) There are an enormous number of planets in the galaxy containing humanoid life forms (two arms, two legs, one head with a mouth, a nose, two eyes, and two ears) who either speak English as a second language or can be understood via a universal translator</p>
<p>etc., etc.</p>
<p>There were small differences in these assumptions between TOS and TNG such as Warf getting a skull crest instead of the cheaper makeup that Klingons had in TOS, but for the most part the assumptions were pretty much the same &#8211; transporter, warp drive, subspace communication, etc., etc.</p>
<p>I think the TNG series would have been much better if they had started with a blank slate in terms of these assumptions.  No more beaming down to planets with an earth-like atmosphere.  Now, the crew must wear spacesuits and land via shuttlecraft.  You can have several scenes where crew members die when their spacesuits fail or get punctured by hostile action.  No more human-like aliens.  Instead, six-legged creatures with exoskeletons that use bioluminescence for communication and not sound waves.  Etc.  Etc.</p>
<p>They could also have dealt with more real science issues such as what are the properties of a large Jovian-sized planet, planets with rings, planets or moons with frozen water crusts, cratering, stellar flares endangering the landing party, etc., etc.  Perhaps a real classification of planets rather than the make-believe Type M, etc.  Real spectral classification of stars (O, B, A. F, G, K, M).  Detection of biospheres from a long distance via spectroscopy, etc., etc.  I think it would have been more interesting as well as more educational.  Of course, it would have required a panel of astronomers, NASA people, etc. kept on permanent retainer to keep the scripts honest.</p>
<p>I would have set the stories in the not-too-distant future, let&#8217;s say the year 2118 or something like that.  Perhaps the aliens have only been contacted via SETI and no face-to-tentacle meeting has yet taken place.  So there was a lot of stuff that could have been done if they had ditched the original 1960&#8217;s show concept.  Of course, that was unlikely to happen while Gene Roddenberry was still alive (he didn&#8217;t die until 1991) so I guess I understand why it never happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Tauber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess Tauber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captain a ship?? Not with his powers. Actually I thought he should get together again with the changeling girl (The Dauphin)- maybe after breaking up with the Judd girl. Or perhaps have a tryst with the young Q character. Aw heck, we&#039;re all adults here- have a go with all three (and make even the folks at Torchwood blush).

Wesley needs to interact, as a sort of human ambassador, with higher beings- there were all sorts in the Trek universe- to take care of larger issues way beyond mortal men.

Trek didn&#039;t really deal with interactions between higher species, just one on one with us. But the Q, the various evolved-into-energy types, that one guy who wiped out an entire alien civilization with a single thought. Trek brought together normal aliens into a common cause, the Federation. Don&#039;t the folks on the next plane need human intervention too to achieve a greater unity?

Jess Tauber</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captain a ship?? Not with his powers. Actually I thought he should get together again with the changeling girl (The Dauphin)- maybe after breaking up with the Judd girl. Or perhaps have a tryst with the young Q character. Aw heck, we&#8217;re all adults here- have a go with all three (and make even the folks at Torchwood blush).</p>
<p>Wesley needs to interact, as a sort of human ambassador, with higher beings- there were all sorts in the Trek universe- to take care of larger issues way beyond mortal men.</p>
<p>Trek didn&#8217;t really deal with interactions between higher species, just one on one with us. But the Q, the various evolved-into-energy types, that one guy who wiped out an entire alien civilization with a single thought. Trek brought together normal aliens into a common cause, the Federation. Don&#8217;t the folks on the next plane need human intervention too to achieve a greater unity?</p>
<p>Jess Tauber</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 13:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, some Trek Rules:

1) In the event of an emergency, the holodeck SHUTS DOWN. Priority.
2) In the event of an anomalous object being discovered in the middle of nowhere for no apparent reason that looks completely normal, engage warp 9
3)DATA&#039;s off switch is not to be used for recreational purposes
4)All single female guests are to be given a full security escort in the event that Commander Riker shows up
5)Picard should just make friends with Q, and let him help next time the galaxy is under threat one of the many powerless and non-omnipitent life forms which inhabit it
6)Whorf should not be allowed to carry an entire armoury in his quarters, in case he decides to a)kill other kilingons for revenge or honour b) kill himself for revenge or honour C) kill one of his family members for revenge or honour
7)Deanna should stop pretending she has psychic powers just because she senses that the Klingon is angry! Why else would he be shouting!
8) Crew members should inform the computer exactly when an intership communication has been terminated, as they never seem to do this and just keep on talking. How does the computer know what to transmit and what not to?
9)ad inf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, some Trek Rules:</p>
<p>1) In the event of an emergency, the holodeck SHUTS DOWN. Priority.<br />
2) In the event of an anomalous object being discovered in the middle of nowhere for no apparent reason that looks completely normal, engage warp 9<br />
3)DATA&#8217;s off switch is not to be used for recreational purposes<br />
4)All single female guests are to be given a full security escort in the event that Commander Riker shows up<br />
5)Picard should just make friends with Q, and let him help next time the galaxy is under threat one of the many powerless and non-omnipitent life forms which inhabit it<br />
6)Whorf should not be allowed to carry an entire armoury in his quarters, in case he decides to a)kill other kilingons for revenge or honour b) kill himself for revenge or honour C) kill one of his family members for revenge or honour<br />
7)Deanna should stop pretending she has psychic powers just because she senses that the Klingon is angry! Why else would he be shouting! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> Crew members should inform the computer exactly when an intership communication has been terminated, as they never seem to do this and just keep on talking. How does the computer know what to transmit and what not to?<br />
9)ad inf</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 12:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After his mystical trek around the universe, Wes came back to be..... THE TACTICAL OFFICER ON THE HOOD! How crap is that? And as far as people not wanting more trek, how about they make it anyway, and you just dont watch it. Then we will all be happy. A new series should be set on Earth, 200 years on, with no starfleet left and a big messy civil war - a real departure from the norm. Going to the academy would be the obvious thing left to do, and it will end up like Smallville or some rubbish, with loads of teen problems for the new target audience to chew on, with weekly top bands guest starring in the student lounge, augmented with copious lashings of Americana. Probably why it ENT didnt work so well. No more to say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After his mystical trek around the universe, Wes came back to be&#8230;.. THE TACTICAL OFFICER ON THE HOOD! How crap is that? And as far as people not wanting more trek, how about they make it anyway, and you just dont watch it. Then we will all be happy. A new series should be set on Earth, 200 years on, with no starfleet left and a big messy civil war &#8211; a real departure from the norm. Going to the academy would be the obvious thing left to do, and it will end up like Smallville or some rubbish, with loads of teen problems for the new target audience to chew on, with weekly top bands guest starring in the student lounge, augmented with copious lashings of Americana. Probably why it ENT didnt work so well. No more to say&#8230;</p>
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