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	<title>Comments on: Where there&#8217;s a Wil</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Nes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/05/where-theres-a-wil/comment-page-2/#comment-86483</link>
		<dc:creator>Nes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 23:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I might have been one of 3 people that actually liked Wesley Crusher.&quot;

I guess I&#039;m one of the other two :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I might have been one of 3 people that actually liked Wesley Crusher.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m one of the other two <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: James H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>James H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now if Wes Crusher were to trek around the galaxy with Seven of Nine....now yer talkin&#039;, I&#039;d watch that!</description>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 07:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are good points Tom, but that was just the episodic nature of shows of the time. The idea that a show could continue like Lost or 24 as one story would have been unthinkable by producers at the time. Any new effort should follow this format, and use stand alone episodes less often. They did try to make explanations for some of the cop outs. One TNG episode involved an ancient race of bipeds that seeded the galaxy, explaining the standard shape of all intelligent life.
ST is just there to exite the mind, and for all of its issues it has displayed moments of brilliance. The show you describe could never be Star Trek, although I would very much like to see a realistic interpretation of s space based TV show. In reality:
ACTION + SPACE TRAVEL = DISASTER  (not a working equation!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are good points Tom, but that was just the episodic nature of shows of the time. The idea that a show could continue like Lost or 24 as one story would have been unthinkable by producers at the time. Any new effort should follow this format, and use stand alone episodes less often. They did try to make explanations for some of the cop outs. One TNG episode involved an ancient race of bipeds that seeded the galaxy, explaining the standard shape of all intelligent life.<br />
ST is just there to exite the mind, and for all of its issues it has displayed moments of brilliance. The show you describe could never be Star Trek, although I would very much like to see a realistic interpretation of s space based TV show. In reality:<br />
ACTION + SPACE TRAVEL = DISASTER  (not a working equation!)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Marking</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/05/where-theres-a-wil/comment-page-2/#comment-86480</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Marking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 22:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My take on the whole Star Trek phenonema is that certain assumptions which were built into the original series in the 1960&#039;s due to budget constraints essentially became locked in and couldn&#039;t be changed in the 1980&#039;s when TNG came around even though there was now a special effects budget that could support lots and lots of new ideas.

So such assumptions as
1.) There are an enormous number of planets that humans can beam down to and have no problem breathing the atmosphere (20% oxygen, 80% nitrogen, 101,300 pascals, ~288 deg Kelvin, etc.)

2.) There are an enormous number of planets in the galaxy containing humanoid life forms (two arms, two legs, one head with a mouth, a nose, two eyes, and two ears) who either speak English as a second language or can be understood via a universal translator

etc., etc.

There were small differences in these assumptions between TOS and TNG such as Warf getting a skull crest instead of the cheaper makeup that Klingons had in TOS, but for the most part the assumptions were pretty much the same - transporter, warp drive, subspace communication, etc., etc.

I think the TNG series would have been much better if they had started with a blank slate in terms of these assumptions.  No more beaming down to planets with an earth-like atmosphere.  Now, the crew must wear spacesuits and land via shuttlecraft.  You can have several scenes where crew members die when their spacesuits fail or get punctured by hostile action.  No more human-like aliens.  Instead, six-legged creatures with exoskeletons that use bioluminescence for communication and not sound waves.  Etc.  Etc.

They could also have dealt with more real science issues such as what are the properties of a large Jovian-sized planet, planets with rings, planets or moons with frozen water crusts, cratering, stellar flares endangering the landing party, etc., etc.  Perhaps a real classification of planets rather than the make-believe Type M, etc.  Real spectral classification of stars (O, B, A. F, G, K, M).  Detection of biospheres from a long distance via spectroscopy, etc., etc.  I think it would have been more interesting as well as more educational.  Of course, it would have required a panel of astronomers, NASA people, etc. kept on permanent retainer to keep the scripts honest.

I would have set the stories in the not-too-distant future, let&#039;s say the year 2118 or something like that.  Perhaps the aliens have only been contacted via SETI and no face-to-tentacle meeting has yet taken place.  So there was a lot of stuff that could have been done if they had ditched the original 1960&#039;s show concept.  Of course, that was unlikely to happen while Gene Roddenberry was still alive (he didn&#039;t die until 1991) so I guess I understand why it never happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take on the whole Star Trek phenonema is that certain assumptions which were built into the original series in the 1960&#8242;s due to budget constraints essentially became locked in and couldn&#8217;t be changed in the 1980&#8242;s when TNG came around even though there was now a special effects budget that could support lots and lots of new ideas.</p>
<p>So such assumptions as<br />
1.) There are an enormous number of planets that humans can beam down to and have no problem breathing the atmosphere (20% oxygen, 80% nitrogen, 101,300 pascals, ~288 deg Kelvin, etc.)</p>
<p>2.) There are an enormous number of planets in the galaxy containing humanoid life forms (two arms, two legs, one head with a mouth, a nose, two eyes, and two ears) who either speak English as a second language or can be understood via a universal translator</p>
<p>etc., etc.</p>
<p>There were small differences in these assumptions between TOS and TNG such as Warf getting a skull crest instead of the cheaper makeup that Klingons had in TOS, but for the most part the assumptions were pretty much the same &#8211; transporter, warp drive, subspace communication, etc., etc.</p>
<p>I think the TNG series would have been much better if they had started with a blank slate in terms of these assumptions.  No more beaming down to planets with an earth-like atmosphere.  Now, the crew must wear spacesuits and land via shuttlecraft.  You can have several scenes where crew members die when their spacesuits fail or get punctured by hostile action.  No more human-like aliens.  Instead, six-legged creatures with exoskeletons that use bioluminescence for communication and not sound waves.  Etc.  Etc.</p>
<p>They could also have dealt with more real science issues such as what are the properties of a large Jovian-sized planet, planets with rings, planets or moons with frozen water crusts, cratering, stellar flares endangering the landing party, etc., etc.  Perhaps a real classification of planets rather than the make-believe Type M, etc.  Real spectral classification of stars (O, B, A. F, G, K, M).  Detection of biospheres from a long distance via spectroscopy, etc., etc.  I think it would have been more interesting as well as more educational.  Of course, it would have required a panel of astronomers, NASA people, etc. kept on permanent retainer to keep the scripts honest.</p>
<p>I would have set the stories in the not-too-distant future, let&#8217;s say the year 2118 or something like that.  Perhaps the aliens have only been contacted via SETI and no face-to-tentacle meeting has yet taken place.  So there was a lot of stuff that could have been done if they had ditched the original 1960&#8242;s show concept.  Of course, that was unlikely to happen while Gene Roddenberry was still alive (he didn&#8217;t die until 1991) so I guess I understand why it never happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Tauber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess Tauber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captain a ship?? Not with his powers. Actually I thought he should get together again with the changeling girl (The Dauphin)- maybe after breaking up with the Judd girl. Or perhaps have a tryst with the young Q character. Aw heck, we&#039;re all adults here- have a go with all three (and make even the folks at Torchwood blush).

Wesley needs to interact, as a sort of human ambassador, with higher beings- there were all sorts in the Trek universe- to take care of larger issues way beyond mortal men.

Trek didn&#039;t really deal with interactions between higher species, just one on one with us. But the Q, the various evolved-into-energy types, that one guy who wiped out an entire alien civilization with a single thought. Trek brought together normal aliens into a common cause, the Federation. Don&#039;t the folks on the next plane need human intervention too to achieve a greater unity?

Jess Tauber</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captain a ship?? Not with his powers. Actually I thought he should get together again with the changeling girl (The Dauphin)- maybe after breaking up with the Judd girl. Or perhaps have a tryst with the young Q character. Aw heck, we&#8217;re all adults here- have a go with all three (and make even the folks at Torchwood blush).</p>
<p>Wesley needs to interact, as a sort of human ambassador, with higher beings- there were all sorts in the Trek universe- to take care of larger issues way beyond mortal men.</p>
<p>Trek didn&#8217;t really deal with interactions between higher species, just one on one with us. But the Q, the various evolved-into-energy types, that one guy who wiped out an entire alien civilization with a single thought. Trek brought together normal aliens into a common cause, the Federation. Don&#8217;t the folks on the next plane need human intervention too to achieve a greater unity?</p>
<p>Jess Tauber</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 13:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, some Trek Rules:

1) In the event of an emergency, the holodeck SHUTS DOWN. Priority.
2) In the event of an anomalous object being discovered in the middle of nowhere for no apparent reason that looks completely normal, engage warp 9
3)DATA&#039;s off switch is not to be used for recreational purposes
4)All single female guests are to be given a full security escort in the event that Commander Riker shows up
5)Picard should just make friends with Q, and let him help next time the galaxy is under threat one of the many powerless and non-omnipitent life forms which inhabit it
6)Whorf should not be allowed to carry an entire armoury in his quarters, in case he decides to a)kill other kilingons for revenge or honour b) kill himself for revenge or honour C) kill one of his family members for revenge or honour
7)Deanna should stop pretending she has psychic powers just because she senses that the Klingon is angry! Why else would he be shouting!
8) Crew members should inform the computer exactly when an intership communication has been terminated, as they never seem to do this and just keep on talking. How does the computer know what to transmit and what not to?
9)ad inf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, some Trek Rules:</p>
<p>1) In the event of an emergency, the holodeck SHUTS DOWN. Priority.<br />
2) In the event of an anomalous object being discovered in the middle of nowhere for no apparent reason that looks completely normal, engage warp 9<br />
3)DATA&#8217;s off switch is not to be used for recreational purposes<br />
4)All single female guests are to be given a full security escort in the event that Commander Riker shows up<br />
5)Picard should just make friends with Q, and let him help next time the galaxy is under threat one of the many powerless and non-omnipitent life forms which inhabit it<br />
6)Whorf should not be allowed to carry an entire armoury in his quarters, in case he decides to a)kill other kilingons for revenge or honour b) kill himself for revenge or honour C) kill one of his family members for revenge or honour<br />
7)Deanna should stop pretending she has psychic powers just because she senses that the Klingon is angry! Why else would he be shouting! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> Crew members should inform the computer exactly when an intership communication has been terminated, as they never seem to do this and just keep on talking. How does the computer know what to transmit and what not to?<br />
9)ad inf</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 12:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After his mystical trek around the universe, Wes came back to be..... THE TACTICAL OFFICER ON THE HOOD! How crap is that? And as far as people not wanting more trek, how about they make it anyway, and you just dont watch it. Then we will all be happy. A new series should be set on Earth, 200 years on, with no starfleet left and a big messy civil war - a real departure from the norm. Going to the academy would be the obvious thing left to do, and it will end up like Smallville or some rubbish, with loads of teen problems for the new target audience to chew on, with weekly top bands guest starring in the student lounge, augmented with copious lashings of Americana. Probably why it ENT didnt work so well. No more to say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After his mystical trek around the universe, Wes came back to be&#8230;.. THE TACTICAL OFFICER ON THE HOOD! How crap is that? And as far as people not wanting more trek, how about they make it anyway, and you just dont watch it. Then we will all be happy. A new series should be set on Earth, 200 years on, with no starfleet left and a big messy civil war &#8211; a real departure from the norm. Going to the academy would be the obvious thing left to do, and it will end up like Smallville or some rubbish, with loads of teen problems for the new target audience to chew on, with weekly top bands guest starring in the student lounge, augmented with copious lashings of Americana. Probably why it ENT didnt work so well. No more to say&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz Parsec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz Parsec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 06:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Star Trek: Probing Wild, New, Exciting Directions?</description>
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		<title>By: Fedaykin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fedaykin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of Wesley, I think that the details of the character were handled very poorly, especially in the early seasons.

However, I think it is notable that Wesley Crusher is one of the only regular or semi-regular character in TNG that experienced significant character development over the course of the series (the other being Ro). If you watch the first and last episodes (barring the future versions who technically aren&#039;t &quot;real&quot;) of the series, it is nearly impossible to distinguish the characterization of the principals.

It is that character development that redeems Wesley as an interesting character, and makes future stories about him worthwhile. Don&#039;t get me wrong, I love many of the other characters, but they have no real promise for future stories because they are static and can only really serve well in the context they were developed for (i.e. the Greek play type format of TNG) which has been covered pretty much to its furthest extent, hence the repetitious episodes of the later series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of Wesley, I think that the details of the character were handled very poorly, especially in the early seasons.</p>
<p>However, I think it is notable that Wesley Crusher is one of the only regular or semi-regular character in TNG that experienced significant character development over the course of the series (the other being Ro). If you watch the first and last episodes (barring the future versions who technically aren&#8217;t &#8220;real&#8221;) of the series, it is nearly impossible to distinguish the characterization of the principals.</p>
<p>It is that character development that redeems Wesley as an interesting character, and makes future stories about him worthwhile. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I love many of the other characters, but they have no real promise for future stories because they are static and can only really serve well in the context they were developed for (i.e. the Greek play type format of TNG) which has been covered pretty much to its furthest extent, hence the repetitious episodes of the later series.</p>
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		<title>By: OtherRob</title>
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		<dc:creator>OtherRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 21:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure if &quot;thanks&quot; is the right word or not, Mena. ;-) I got about 20 seconds in and bailed....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if &#8220;thanks&#8221; is the right word or not, Mena. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I got about 20 seconds in and bailed&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 19:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok OtherRob, I looked for it and even (shudder) listened to it a bit.  I have no idea what the video is for, it looks like something done at a high school for some reason, but here goes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG3SZQ-ZTlY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok OtherRob, I looked for it and even (shudder) listened to it a bit.  I have no idea what the video is for, it looks like something done at a high school for some reason, but here goes:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG3SZQ-ZTlY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG3SZQ-ZTlY</a></p>
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		<title>By: johnparadox</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnparadox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Bobcloclimar
    PerryG:
      “ST:OPE”, anyone?
No, no, it should be Star Trek: Other, New Exciting Directions ;) &lt;/i&gt;

Star Trek: Other Wild New Exciting Directions?

J/P=?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bobcloclimar<br />
    PerryG:<br />
      “ST:OPE”, anyone?<br />
No, no, it should be Star Trek: Other, New Exciting Directions <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </i></p>
<p>Star Trek: Other Wild New Exciting Directions?</p>
<p>J/P=?</p>
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		<title>By: OtherRob</title>
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		<dc:creator>OtherRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bobcloclimar: I didn&#039;t object to the fact that there were lyrics in the Enterprise opening. While I wasn&#039;t particularly enamored of them, I didn&#039;t object to them. And I liked the imagry of the opening a lot.

But I just assumed that it was an original song created for the opening credits. Finding out that it wasn&#039;t bugs me a lot.

Just like it really bugs me that BSG used &quot;All Along the Watchtower&quot; in last season&#039;s finale. Harumpf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bobcloclimar: I didn&#8217;t object to the fact that there were lyrics in the Enterprise opening. While I wasn&#8217;t particularly enamored of them, I didn&#8217;t object to them. And I liked the imagry of the opening a lot.</p>
<p>But I just assumed that it was an original song created for the opening credits. Finding out that it wasn&#8217;t bugs me a lot.</p>
<p>Just like it really bugs me that BSG used &#8220;All Along the Watchtower&#8221; in last season&#8217;s finale. Harumpf.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobcloclimar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobcloclimar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;PerryG:

&lt;i&gt;but isn’t Wesley out there exploring “other planes of existence” with The Traveler?&lt;/i&gt;

“ST:OPE”, anyone? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, no, it should be Star Trek: Other, New Exciting Directions ;)

The Enterprise introduction was excellent. Everyone was turned off by the fact that there were &lt;i&gt;vocals&lt;/i&gt; in a Trek intro, but the song fits perfectly into the montage, which really explored ;) what Trek should be about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>PerryG:</p>
<p><i>but isn’t Wesley out there exploring “other planes of existence” with The Traveler?</i></p>
<p>“ST:OPE”, anyone? </p></blockquote>
<p>No, no, it should be Star Trek: Other, New Exciting Directions <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The Enterprise introduction was excellent. Everyone was turned off by the fact that there were <i>vocals</i> in a Trek intro, but the song fits perfectly into the montage, which really explored <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  what Trek should be about.</p>
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		<title>By: OtherRob</title>
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		<dc:creator>OtherRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait. The music from Enterprise wasn&#039;t original? I didn&#039;t know that. I didn&#039;t mind it before -- though I didn&#039;t love it either -- but now I just think it&#039;s lame. :-(

I do think think the series got better toward the end. Of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait. The music from Enterprise wasn&#8217;t original? I didn&#8217;t know that. I didn&#8217;t mind it before &#8212; though I didn&#8217;t love it either &#8212; but now I just think it&#8217;s lame. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I do think think the series got better toward the end. Of course.</p>
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		<title>By: David D.G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David D.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 16:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case it escaped your attention, Phil, Wesley nearly got kicked out of the Academy because of participating in a forbidden daredevil stunt that killed another cadet, and then later he became a Starfleet Academy dropout and went hitchhiking around the galaxy with The Traveler.  This is hardly the sort of stable, mature, dependable person whom Starfleet would ever give command of a ship.  He was brilliant scientifically, and that plus his jaunts with The Traveler just might make him a decent candidate for being a consultant on a ship&#039;s missions -- but that&#039;s about it.

Mind you, I agree that everything wrong about Wesley Crusher was the fault of the writers (and perhaps, to a lesser extent, the directors); Wil Wheaton&#039;s acting was everything one could ask for, and then some.  It&#039;s a darned shame that his character&#039;s great potential was so badly mishandled in ways he could not control or prevent.


~David D.G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case it escaped your attention, Phil, Wesley nearly got kicked out of the Academy because of participating in a forbidden daredevil stunt that killed another cadet, and then later he became a Starfleet Academy dropout and went hitchhiking around the galaxy with The Traveler.  This is hardly the sort of stable, mature, dependable person whom Starfleet would ever give command of a ship.  He was brilliant scientifically, and that plus his jaunts with The Traveler just might make him a decent candidate for being a consultant on a ship&#8217;s missions &#8212; but that&#8217;s about it.</p>
<p>Mind you, I agree that everything wrong about Wesley Crusher was the fault of the writers (and perhaps, to a lesser extent, the directors); Wil Wheaton&#8217;s acting was everything one could ask for, and then some.  It&#8217;s a darned shame that his character&#8217;s great potential was so badly mishandled in ways he could not control or prevent.</p>
<p>~David D.G.</p>
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		<title>By: RAM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 16:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m just an old guy

Having seen all of the originals when they were first aired

I liked all of the STs and realize my expectaions were a little less w/ each series after TNG

I am OK w/ something new but, equaly OK w/ the end of a franchise

I liked some Wesley stuff too
but mostly he was short changed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just an old guy</p>
<p>Having seen all of the originals when they were first aired</p>
<p>I liked all of the STs and realize my expectaions were a little less w/ each series after TNG</p>
<p>I am OK w/ something new but, equaly OK w/ the end of a franchise</p>
<p>I liked some Wesley stuff too<br />
but mostly he was short changed</p>
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		<title>By: goodguyseatpie</title>
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		<dc:creator>goodguyseatpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 15:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be interested in a sci-fi investigation show.  Some of my favorite BSG episodes are the ones that involve investigating some mystery.

I also agree though that ST needs a complete overhaul.  To quote Roger Ebert, from his review of Nemesis:

&quot;I think it is time for &quot;Star Trek&quot; to make a mighty leap forward another 1,000 years into the future, to a time when starships do not look like rides in a 1970s amusement arcade, when aliens do not look like humans with funny foreheads, and when wonder, astonishment and literacy are permitted back into the series. Star Trek was kind of terrific once, but now it is a copy of a copy of a copy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be interested in a sci-fi investigation show.  Some of my favorite BSG episodes are the ones that involve investigating some mystery.</p>
<p>I also agree though that ST needs a complete overhaul.  To quote Roger Ebert, from his review of Nemesis:</p>
<p>&#8220;I think it is time for &#8220;Star Trek&#8221; to make a mighty leap forward another 1,000 years into the future, to a time when starships do not look like rides in a 1970s amusement arcade, when aliens do not look like humans with funny foreheads, and when wonder, astonishment and literacy are permitted back into the series. Star Trek was kind of terrific once, but now it is a copy of a copy of a copy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 15:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will:
&lt;i&gt;I tried watching Enterprise once. I switched channels halfway through the theme song. Is there something wrong with me?&lt;/i&gt;

Not with that song.  If Elvis had still been alive and he had tuned it in he would have shot the tv again I&#039;m sure.  Trek got lazy with that one.  A crap song from a movie (Patch Adams).  At least Rod Stewart wasn&#039;t singing it, they splurged on someone else.  The idea behind the opening credits was good, the execution stunk.  The song was probably one of the reasons that I couldn&#039;t stand to watch it.  That and the remakes of episodes from other Treks.  With Voyager you get to the point of wondering if it will be a time travel bringing everyone back to life episode, the holodoc getting kidnapped, a holodeck malfunction, the &quot;is the main character going mad&quot; plot line, or the Bore-g showing up in every other season finale (TNG was guilty of that too).  Enterprise just redid all the bad episodes, nothing new.  Not even the theme song. Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will:<br />
<i>I tried watching Enterprise once. I switched channels halfway through the theme song. Is there something wrong with me?</i></p>
<p>Not with that song.  If Elvis had still been alive and he had tuned it in he would have shot the tv again I&#8217;m sure.  Trek got lazy with that one.  A crap song from a movie (Patch Adams).  At least Rod Stewart wasn&#8217;t singing it, they splurged on someone else.  The idea behind the opening credits was good, the execution stunk.  The song was probably one of the reasons that I couldn&#8217;t stand to watch it.  That and the remakes of episodes from other Treks.  With Voyager you get to the point of wondering if it will be a time travel bringing everyone back to life episode, the holodoc getting kidnapped, a holodeck malfunction, the &#8220;is the main character going mad&#8221; plot line, or the Bore-g showing up in every other season finale (TNG was guilty of that too).  Enterprise just redid all the bad episodes, nothing new.  Not even the theme song. Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood Herring</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood Herring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jorge: If Star Trek was good enough for the likes of Isaac Asimov and Arthur C. Clarke, it&#039;s good enough for me.

Try reading Yvonne Fern&#039;s books, they might help you &quot;get&quot; ST.

Wil, you did a fantastic job with relatively poor material - I&#039;m currently converting my 76 year old mother into a Trekkie, and she&#039;s already a Wesley fan (though she still calls Worf &quot;Wart&quot;!)

Oh - and I&#039;m 100% fictional too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jorge: If Star Trek was good enough for the likes of Isaac Asimov and Arthur C. Clarke, it&#8217;s good enough for me.</p>
<p>Try reading Yvonne Fern&#8217;s books, they might help you &#8220;get&#8221; ST.</p>
<p>Wil, you did a fantastic job with relatively poor material &#8211; I&#8217;m currently converting my 76 year old mother into a Trekkie, and she&#8217;s already a Wesley fan (though she still calls Worf &#8220;Wart&#8221;!)</p>
<p>Oh &#8211; and I&#8217;m 100% fictional too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: !AstralProjectile</title>
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		<dc:creator>!AstralProjectile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreeing with most everyone here.

I hope Wil was able to set Phil straight on the quality of The Outer Limits remake: Wil Wheaton guest stars in the Outer Limits: The Light Brigade.

OT, but did anyone else enjoy seeing Scott Bacula&#039;s character go flying out the 99th floor window of the &quot;Golden Stacks&quot; building last week on Tracy Ulmann&#039;s new show? She&#039;s a genius!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreeing with most everyone here.</p>
<p>I hope Wil was able to set Phil straight on the quality of The Outer Limits remake: Wil Wheaton guest stars in the Outer Limits: The Light Brigade.</p>
<p>OT, but did anyone else enjoy seeing Scott Bacula&#8217;s character go flying out the 99th floor window of the &#8220;Golden Stacks&#8221; building last week on Tracy Ulmann&#8217;s new show? She&#8217;s a genius!</p>
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		<title>By: One Eyed Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Eyed Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only new Star Trek series that would interest me is one that involves a time period beyond any of the previous series.

In both Voyager and TNG there were several episodes hinting at the potential of humans to evolve beyond their current state. So perhaps something that involves humanity during this transition.  I guess that was done somewhat in the Babylon 5 series with the telepath/mundane conflict.

The other option (that would interest me) is a post war scenario.  The Federation has been broken by Borg or another race and the Federation races are left as a ragged band of refugees, traveling space to survive and find a new home. Can anyone say Battle Star Galactica?

Sigh. I guess it&#039;s all been done.  Then again, what SciFi idea hasn&#039;t been done before?

PS: I liked the Wesley character.

Still have any of your books for sale, Wil?

-OEJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only new Star Trek series that would interest me is one that involves a time period beyond any of the previous series.</p>
<p>In both Voyager and TNG there were several episodes hinting at the potential of humans to evolve beyond their current state. So perhaps something that involves humanity during this transition.  I guess that was done somewhat in the Babylon 5 series with the telepath/mundane conflict.</p>
<p>The other option (that would interest me) is a post war scenario.  The Federation has been broken by Borg or another race and the Federation races are left as a ragged band of refugees, traveling space to survive and find a new home. Can anyone say Battle Star Galactica?</p>
<p>Sigh. I guess it&#8217;s all been done.  Then again, what SciFi idea hasn&#8217;t been done before?</p>
<p>PS: I liked the Wesley character.</p>
<p>Still have any of your books for sale, Wil?</p>
<p>-OEJ</p>
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		<title>By: alfaniner</title>
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		<dc:creator>alfaniner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 12:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(wil) - &quot;I never really know what to say or do when a science fiction site/magazine/talkshow/whatever actually says nice things about me, but having years of “OMG I HATE YOU SO MUCH!” screamed in my face (literally and online) I’m at a total loss at the moment.&quot;

They didn&#039;t scream at you, they screamed at Wesley, who is pretend.

/pedantry

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(wil) &#8211; &#8220;I never really know what to say or do when a science fiction site/magazine/talkshow/whatever actually says nice things about me, but having years of “OMG I HATE YOU SO MUCH!” screamed in my face (literally and online) I’m at a total loss at the moment.&#8221;</p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t scream at you, they screamed at Wesley, who is pretend.</p>
<p>/pedantry<br />
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 12:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried watching Enterprise once.  I switched channels halfway through the theme song.  Is there something wrong with me?</description>
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		<title>By: JohnW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 12:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would never work.  Wesley as captain?  Who would he look up to, to give that goofy &quot;Did I do good, Captain?&quot; grin at the end of every episode?

And Janeway was fine, I think she is the only Trek character to hook up with Sam Malone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ5IYH9-L8Q

On second thought, I really think I have to agree with Peter F.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would never work.  Wesley as captain?  Who would he look up to, to give that goofy &#8220;Did I do good, Captain?&#8221; grin at the end of every episode?</p>
<p>And Janeway was fine, I think she is the only Trek character to hook up with Sam Malone:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ5IYH9-L8Q" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ5IYH9-L8Q</a></p>
<p>On second thought, I really think I have to agree with Peter F.</p>
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