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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/09/ufoh-noes/comment-page-3/#comment-114218</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah...he&#039;s already tied up in one thread.  He won&#039;t come here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah&#8230;he&#8217;s already tied up in one thread.  He won&#8217;t come here.</p>
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		<title>By: kuhnigget</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/09/ufoh-noes/comment-page-3/#comment-114215</link>
		<dc:creator>kuhnigget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annnnd....cue Michael Horn in &lt;i&gt;three...two...one...&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/09/ufoh-noes/comment-page-3/#comment-114211</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comments on the video you linked to seem plausible to me (i.e., a bug on the lens).  Perhaps Phil or any other astronomers could share their experiences and if they&#039;ve seen anything similar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments on the video you linked to seem plausible to me (i.e., a bug on the lens).  Perhaps Phil or any other astronomers could share their experiences and if they&#8217;ve seen anything similar?</p>
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		<title>By: Lost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taken by an Italian astronomer ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmqR1jNQM2I

If a non-astronomer tells somebody about &#039;strange things&#039; the first he gets is lots of jokes.

That&#039;s why a serious astronomer must not tell nobody about strange things ... if he wants to keep beeing astronomer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taken by an Italian astronomer &#8230; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmqR1jNQM2I" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmqR1jNQM2I</a></p>
<p>If a non-astronomer tells somebody about &#8216;strange things&#8217; the first he gets is lots of jokes.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why a serious astronomer must not tell nobody about strange things &#8230; if he wants to keep beeing astronomer.</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin Jose Palathinkal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edwin Jose Palathinkal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why doesn&#039;t Google Image Search index photos of &quot;Crop Circles of Extra Terrestrial Origin&quot; in rice paddy fields in Japan and other parts of Asia?

May be Google is fine tuned by aliens!!! &lt;sarcasm&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#8217;t Google Image Search index photos of &#8220;Crop Circles of Extra Terrestrial Origin&#8221; in rice paddy fields in Japan and other parts of Asia?</p>
<p>May be Google is fine tuned by aliens!!! <sarcasm></sarcasm></p>
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		<title>By: J&#8217;s blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Catching up again&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>J&#8217;s blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Catching up again&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bluebeam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/09/ufoh-noes/comment-page-3/#comment-87603</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebeam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctimRp7VKU4

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varginha_UFO_incident

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_Incident

There is no need to believe that an UFO will ever land on the White House Lawn. Also, do not expect that they will ever find any evidence for extraterrestrial life (aside from bacterias and microorganisms). That is because there are no extraterrestrials visiting the earth! Whatever &quot;they&quot; are: They are NOT from another planet in our galaxy! Instead, allmost all of the evidence that we have points to the so-called &quot;interdimensional hypothesis&quot;.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdimensional_hypothesis

And Stephen Hawking, brilliant as he is in other areas, doesn&#039;t seem to have done ANY research into exopolitical matters and ufology in general. Maybe if he had known about Varginha or Rendlesham and had seen this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

...he wouldn&#039;t have said the stupid things he said.
For example: Are Buzz Aldrin, Gordon Cooper and the incredible amount of high ranking government officials that have spoken out openly about UFO&#039;s recently Ã¢ï¿½ï¿½cranks &amp; weirdosÃ¢ï¿½ï¿½ (as Hawking put it)? Remember: Gordon Cooper filmed a UFO during the time when he studied at the USAF Experimental Flight Test School at Edwards AFB. It landed right before his eyes on a dry lake bed. Too bad he gave the film to some guy from the government. The film simply disappeared... .
Furthermore, the &quot;acclimatization campaign&quot; is under way (and now more obvious than ever), as you can read here:

http://newsblaze.com/story/20080516152544reye.nb/newsblaze/OPINIONS/Opinions.html

As the late J. Allen Hynek said: &quot;There is an embarrassing body of evidence&quot; that we are being visited.
In a few years we will see a significant increase in suicides among hardcore ufo-skeptics as groups within the NATO are pushing disclosure right now and the UN seems to be even more upfront about this.</description>
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<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varginha_UFO_incident" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varginha_UFO_incident</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_Incident" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_Incident</a></p>
<p>There is no need to believe that an UFO will ever land on the White House Lawn. Also, do not expect that they will ever find any evidence for extraterrestrial life (aside from bacterias and microorganisms). That is because there are no extraterrestrials visiting the earth! Whatever &#8220;they&#8221; are: They are NOT from another planet in our galaxy! Instead, allmost all of the evidence that we have points to the so-called &#8220;interdimensional hypothesis&#8221;.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdimensional_hypothesis" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdimensional_hypothesis</a></p>
<p>And Stephen Hawking, brilliant as he is in other areas, doesn&#8217;t seem to have done ANY research into exopolitical matters and ufology in general. Maybe if he had known about Varginha or Rendlesham and had seen this video:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk</a></p>
<p>&#8230;he wouldn&#8217;t have said the stupid things he said.<br />
For example: Are Buzz Aldrin, Gordon Cooper and the incredible amount of high ranking government officials that have spoken out openly about UFO&#8217;s recently Ã¢ï¿½ï¿½cranks &amp; weirdosÃ¢ï¿½ï¿½ (as Hawking put it)? Remember: Gordon Cooper filmed a UFO during the time when he studied at the USAF Experimental Flight Test School at Edwards AFB. It landed right before his eyes on a dry lake bed. Too bad he gave the film to some guy from the government. The film simply disappeared&#8230; .<br />
Furthermore, the &#8220;acclimatization campaign&#8221; is under way (and now more obvious than ever), as you can read here:</p>
<p><a href="http://newsblaze.com/story/20080516152544reye.nb/newsblaze/OPINIONS/Opinions.html" rel="nofollow">http://newsblaze.com/story/20080516152544reye.nb/newsblaze/OPINIONS/Opinions.html</a></p>
<p>As the late J. Allen Hynek said: &#8220;There is an embarrassing body of evidence&#8221; that we are being visited.<br />
In a few years we will see a significant increase in suicides among hardcore ufo-skeptics as groups within the NATO are pushing disclosure right now and the UN seems to be even more upfront about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 19:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You poor sheeple: Always bahing the same o&#039;tune......

Start here, if you want to know what everyone who researches such things knows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IZD_RfFFHY

I cannot wait until the rest of society wakes the hell up...........

  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I&#039;m not sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein

It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education.
Albert Einstein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You poor sheeple: Always bahing the same o&#8217;tune&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Start here, if you want to know what everyone who researches such things knows.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IZD_RfFFHY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IZD_RfFFHY</a></p>
<p>I cannot wait until the rest of society wakes the hell up&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I&#8217;m not sure about the former.<br />
- Albert Einstein</p>
<p>It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education.<br />
Albert Einstein</p>
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		<title>By: Bl3ssing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bl3ssing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is actually quite simple if you think about it. Amateur astronomers probably do not report seeing them because they can barely see anything in space as it is. There is so much darkness,dust, glare and space. That it is hard enough to confirm the things we CAN see.
Not to mention that while in space, they are probably moving too fast for our current level of optics to even try and detect... Who knows how fast an extraterrestrial craft could actually travel in space. Plus amateurs do not even have close to the best level of optics in their what? $1,000 telescopes?
Give me a break. The best, and only way we could hope to detect or see a space craft of alien origin is once it enters our atmosphere.
Hince: You get sightings ON Earth. Not in space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is actually quite simple if you think about it. Amateur astronomers probably do not report seeing them because they can barely see anything in space as it is. There is so much darkness,dust, glare and space. That it is hard enough to confirm the things we CAN see.<br />
Not to mention that while in space, they are probably moving too fast for our current level of optics to even try and detect&#8230; Who knows how fast an extraterrestrial craft could actually travel in space. Plus amateurs do not even have close to the best level of optics in their what? $1,000 telescopes?<br />
Give me a break. The best, and only way we could hope to detect or see a space craft of alien origin is once it enters our atmosphere.<br />
Hince: You get sightings ON Earth. Not in space.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 02:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main reason I don&#039;t believe in extraterrestrials visiting earth is the fact that each culture around the world have different versions of these aliens.  North America has the &#039;greys&#039;, Asia has different looking aliens and Russia has different ones as well.  Why would different aliens only visit certain parts of the world and not other ones?  There is obviously a cultural influence on these &#039;sightings&#039;.

Also, I was watching a video of unexplained lights on some UFO show, and my wife walked past and said, &#039;that&#039;s looking down on a sailboat with a bunch of lights on it&#039;.  She was right!  As soon as she said this, it was obvious.  I still see this video on UFO shows as dramatic proof of alien visitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main reason I don&#8217;t believe in extraterrestrials visiting earth is the fact that each culture around the world have different versions of these aliens.  North America has the &#8216;greys&#8217;, Asia has different looking aliens and Russia has different ones as well.  Why would different aliens only visit certain parts of the world and not other ones?  There is obviously a cultural influence on these &#8216;sightings&#8217;.</p>
<p>Also, I was watching a video of unexplained lights on some UFO show, and my wife walked past and said, &#8216;that&#8217;s looking down on a sailboat with a bunch of lights on it&#8217;.  She was right!  As soon as she said this, it was obvious.  I still see this video on UFO shows as dramatic proof of alien visitors.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo Silva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,

I&#039;m a (granted, very, very amateur astronomer)  and I did report TWO incidents to you in an email.  You seemed not to take my email seriously or perhaps you didn&#039;t even read it.

Anyway, I can see a couple of logical flaws in your #1 reason.  First, most astronomers are looking at very small areas and usually have their eyes fixed on what they are looking at, not scanning the sky for moving objects.  Also, they are most likely to be looking at the sky only after dark so that&#039;s half of the day gone.

And aren&#039;t them also most likely to dismiss any unusual thing as &quot;mundane objects like airplanes, satellites, reflections, meteors, and Venus.&quot;  I&#039;m guessing only a small number actually double check if there was anything normal above them at the time, they&#039;ll just assume it is something normal.  This is similar to an explanation Randy gave as to why/how some scientists were fooled when they first started testing subjects for &quot;paranormal&quot; powers.  Simply, they didn&#039;t know what to look for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a (granted, very, very amateur astronomer)  and I did report TWO incidents to you in an email.  You seemed not to take my email seriously or perhaps you didn&#8217;t even read it.</p>
<p>Anyway, I can see a couple of logical flaws in your #1 reason.  First, most astronomers are looking at very small areas and usually have their eyes fixed on what they are looking at, not scanning the sky for moving objects.  Also, they are most likely to be looking at the sky only after dark so that&#8217;s half of the day gone.</p>
<p>And aren&#8217;t them also most likely to dismiss any unusual thing as &#8220;mundane objects like airplanes, satellites, reflections, meteors, and Venus.&#8221;  I&#8217;m guessing only a small number actually double check if there was anything normal above them at the time, they&#8217;ll just assume it is something normal.  This is similar to an explanation Randy gave as to why/how some scientists were fooled when they first started testing subjects for &#8220;paranormal&#8221; powers.  Simply, they didn&#8217;t know what to look for.</p>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Space, How to confound &#8216;Big Brother&#8217; and other Friday findings &#171; Dad2059&#8217;s Blog of Science-Fiction/Science Fact and Tinfoil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carnival of Space, How to confound &#8216;Big Brother&#8217; and other Friday findings &#171; Dad2059&#8217;s Blog of Science-Fiction/Science Fact and Tinfoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 11:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bite of his clever &#8220;Measure the Speed of Light Using Your Microwave&#8221; demo.Bad Astronomy debunked UFOsthis past week, and Charles Lintott summed up his anxiety about the future of spaceflight using [...]</description>
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		<title>By: michaelpinto</title>
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		<dc:creator>michaelpinto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding is that most astronomers are using computer aided techniques and radio astronomy to look at the sky so they may not be peering into telescopes. Besides it would be more easy to spot an unidentified flying object during the day rather at night. Not to mention the fact that pilots (who do survey the sky) do report UFOs from time to time - which isn&#039;t to say that those objects are alien spacecraft, they&#039;re just &quot;unidentified&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that most astronomers are using computer aided techniques and radio astronomy to look at the sky so they may not be peering into telescopes. Besides it would be more easy to spot an unidentified flying object during the day rather at night. Not to mention the fact that pilots (who do survey the sky) do report UFOs from time to time &#8211; which isn&#8217;t to say that those objects are alien spacecraft, they&#8217;re just &#8220;unidentified&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: jalabi</title>
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		<dc:creator>jalabi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 00:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Doug: &quot;[If] there are aliens visiting us, then they have mastered intergalactic flight have radar-evading technologies and have gone to great lengths to not be seen…&quot;

Ah, but you assume that the alien-made UFOs *have* &quot;radar-evading technologies&quot;. Maybe they just came across a material which has those properties by chance, and not by design. Look at our own real-world example, the Stealth bomber/fighter, which was designed to have a very small radar footprint, but whose surface does not hold up well in the rain :)

And why do so many assume that aliens who can traverse space must of necessity have cloaking devices on their transportation? We, a fairly advanced civilization, have sent numerous probes that are reaching for the limits of space, and to the best of my (imperfect) knowledge, none of them (Voyager, Pioneer, et al.) have cloaking devices, do they?

And for those who believe that aliens are real, and that they are here already....well, it is *possible*, but it&#039;s not *probable*. Then again, of the maybe trillions of microbes on earth, at least some of them are of extra-terrestrial origin. Who knows, maybe HIV is not the product of a government experiment to wipe out black people :) but is an ET intelligence that didn&#039;t figure on being absorbed by the bodies of these pesky humans that they found here on earth.

OK, OK, I will take off my tinfoil hat and put down my copy of &quot;The X-Files&quot; box set, and let the rest of you ponder this. I am proud to be a human though -- we are probably the only creatures in known existence who have the capability to envisage and articulate the possibility of un-earthly intelligences, going so far as to produce arguments and counter-arguments about their existence, how they evolved, how they could come here, why would they come here, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Doug: &#8220;[If] there are aliens visiting us, then they have mastered intergalactic flight have radar-evading technologies and have gone to great lengths to not be seen…&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, but you assume that the alien-made UFOs *have* &#8220;radar-evading technologies&#8221;. Maybe they just came across a material which has those properties by chance, and not by design. Look at our own real-world example, the Stealth bomber/fighter, which was designed to have a very small radar footprint, but whose surface does not hold up well in the rain <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And why do so many assume that aliens who can traverse space must of necessity have cloaking devices on their transportation? We, a fairly advanced civilization, have sent numerous probes that are reaching for the limits of space, and to the best of my (imperfect) knowledge, none of them (Voyager, Pioneer, et al.) have cloaking devices, do they?</p>
<p>And for those who believe that aliens are real, and that they are here already&#8230;.well, it is *possible*, but it&#8217;s not *probable*. Then again, of the maybe trillions of microbes on earth, at least some of them are of extra-terrestrial origin. Who knows, maybe HIV is not the product of a government experiment to wipe out black people <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  but is an ET intelligence that didn&#8217;t figure on being absorbed by the bodies of these pesky humans that they found here on earth.</p>
<p>OK, OK, I will take off my tinfoil hat and put down my copy of &#8220;The X-Files&#8221; box set, and let the rest of you ponder this. I am proud to be a human though &#8212; we are probably the only creatures in known existence who have the capability to envisage and articulate the possibility of un-earthly intelligences, going so far as to produce arguments and counter-arguments about their existence, how they evolved, how they could come here, why would they come here, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: zzz05</title>
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		<dc:creator>zzz05</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 19:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So if two people are looking up at the sky, the astronomer is much less likely to see any anomalous phenomena. &quot;

and yet:
amateur astronomers make discoveries of new objects all the time. perhaps the only field where nowadays, the amateur&#039;s productivity is close to that of the professional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So if two people are looking up at the sky, the astronomer is much less likely to see any anomalous phenomena. &#8221;</p>
<p>and yet:<br />
amateur astronomers make discoveries of new objects all the time. perhaps the only field where nowadays, the amateur&#8217;s productivity is close to that of the professional.</p>
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		<title>By: zzz05</title>
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		<dc:creator>zzz05</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 19:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, a plug for my favorite site:

http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm

expose the conspiracy! let the truth out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, a plug for my favorite site:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm</a></p>
<p>expose the conspiracy! let the truth out!</p>
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		<title>By: zzz05</title>
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		<dc:creator>zzz05</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 18:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so, i guess the thinking would be that they fly over here, fly around a little, then fly home. can&#039;t find a parking spot?

except for the ones who crash, of course.

either they don&#039;t want to be observed by humans, and are too incompetent to manage that, or they do want to contact humans, and are incompetent to do that. either way, it&#039;s a hell of a waste of fuel for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so, i guess the thinking would be that they fly over here, fly around a little, then fly home. can&#8217;t find a parking spot?</p>
<p>except for the ones who crash, of course.</p>
<p>either they don&#8217;t want to be observed by humans, and are too incompetent to manage that, or they do want to contact humans, and are incompetent to do that. either way, it&#8217;s a hell of a waste of fuel for them.</p>
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		<title>By: kroosing 2 '37'</title>
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		<dc:creator>kroosing 2 '37'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 18:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh! I notice &quot;The Day The Earth Stood Still&quot; has already been mentioned...  Well, the link is of course obvious.

On a serious note, the variety of comments here and on networkworld.com is amazing.  It just shows the need to be precise and specific in thought and speech.  Many good, in se valid arguments run past each other and miss the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh! I notice &#8220;The Day The Earth Stood Still&#8221; has already been mentioned&#8230;  Well, the link is of course obvious.</p>
<p>On a serious note, the variety of comments here and on networkworld.com is amazing.  It just shows the need to be precise and specific in thought and speech.  Many good, in se valid arguments run past each other and miss the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Marking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Marking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It has nothing to do with evolution or the development of some superior race at some distant place. They’re probably from a dimension, 5th, 6th, 11th our senses don’t compute.&quot;

Except that in several instances UFO buffs have reported that the UFO beings have specifically told the contactee where the UFO beings are from.  In the early days of ufology this origin point for the UFO beings was commonly a planet in our solar system:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Adamski

&quot;On November 20, 1952 Adamski and several friends were in the Colorado Desert near the town of Desert Center, California when they are said to have seen a large submarine-shaped object hovering in the sky. Believing that the ship was looking for him, Adamski is said to have left his friends and to have headed away from the main road. Shortly afterwards, according to Adamski&#039;s accounts, a scout ship made of a type of translucent metal landed close to him, and its pilot, a Venusian called Orthon, disembarked and sought him out.

Adamski described Orthon as being of medium height humanoid, having long-blond hair, a tanned skin , and as wearing reddish-brown shoes with a trouser: &quot;his trousers were not like mine&quot;. Adamski said Orthon communicated with him via telepathy and through hand signals. During their conversation, Orthon is said to have warned of the dangers of nuclear war and to have arranged for Adamski to be taken on a trip to see the solar system including the planet Venus, the location where Mrs. Adamski had been reincarnated. Adamski said that Orthon had refused to allow himself to be photographed, and instead asked Adamski to provide him with a blank photographic plate, which Adamski says that he gave him. When Orthon left, Adamski said that he and George Hunt Williamson were able to take plaster casts of Orthons footprints, and that the prints contained mysterious symbols.&quot;

As American and Soviet space probes travelled farther and farther and visited the planets in our solar system, the origin point for the UFO beings shifted from within our solar system to other star systems such as Zeta Reticuli.  My, oh my, what a coincidence.  Just as real space probes arrive at Venus and find that the environment is hostile to life, all of a sudden the UFO folks aren&#039;t from there anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It has nothing to do with evolution or the development of some superior race at some distant place. They’re probably from a dimension, 5th, 6th, 11th our senses don’t compute.&#8221;</p>
<p>Except that in several instances UFO buffs have reported that the UFO beings have specifically told the contactee where the UFO beings are from.  In the early days of ufology this origin point for the UFO beings was commonly a planet in our solar system:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Adamski" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Adamski</a></p>
<p>&#8220;On November 20, 1952 Adamski and several friends were in the Colorado Desert near the town of Desert Center, California when they are said to have seen a large submarine-shaped object hovering in the sky. Believing that the ship was looking for him, Adamski is said to have left his friends and to have headed away from the main road. Shortly afterwards, according to Adamski&#8217;s accounts, a scout ship made of a type of translucent metal landed close to him, and its pilot, a Venusian called Orthon, disembarked and sought him out.</p>
<p>Adamski described Orthon as being of medium height humanoid, having long-blond hair, a tanned skin , and as wearing reddish-brown shoes with a trouser: &#8220;his trousers were not like mine&#8221;. Adamski said Orthon communicated with him via telepathy and through hand signals. During their conversation, Orthon is said to have warned of the dangers of nuclear war and to have arranged for Adamski to be taken on a trip to see the solar system including the planet Venus, the location where Mrs. Adamski had been reincarnated. Adamski said that Orthon had refused to allow himself to be photographed, and instead asked Adamski to provide him with a blank photographic plate, which Adamski says that he gave him. When Orthon left, Adamski said that he and George Hunt Williamson were able to take plaster casts of Orthons footprints, and that the prints contained mysterious symbols.&#8221;</p>
<p>As American and Soviet space probes travelled farther and farther and visited the planets in our solar system, the origin point for the UFO beings shifted from within our solar system to other star systems such as Zeta Reticuli.  My, oh my, what a coincidence.  Just as real space probes arrive at Venus and find that the environment is hostile to life, all of a sudden the UFO folks aren&#8217;t from there anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: kroosing 2 '37'</title>
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		<dc:creator>kroosing 2 '37'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“When a flying saucer lands on the White House lawn, someone call me.”

Will happen on December 12, 2008, visible in your local theatre when Klaatu returns!  And this prophecy will prove to be true!

(unless producers and directors yet start fighting over character, caliber and salability and this project is mercily aborted)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“When a flying saucer lands on the White House lawn, someone call me.”</p>
<p>Will happen on December 12, 2008, visible in your local theatre when Klaatu returns!  And this prophecy will prove to be true!</p>
<p>(unless producers and directors yet start fighting over character, caliber and salability and this project is mercily aborted)</p>
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		<title>By: Dunc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dunc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 13:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We’re not fast, we’re not strong, we can’t fly, we have no natural weapons or defenses.&lt;/i&gt;

And that is exactly why we&#039;re smart. Creatures with such advantages are perfectly capable of successfully reproducing without ever making the vast metabolic investment needed to develop and sustain a large brain, or the equally vast developmental investment needed to learn how to use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We’re not fast, we’re not strong, we can’t fly, we have no natural weapons or defenses.</i></p>
<p>And that is exactly why we&#8217;re smart. Creatures with such advantages are perfectly capable of successfully reproducing without ever making the vast metabolic investment needed to develop and sustain a large brain, or the equally vast developmental investment needed to learn how to use it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 04:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it be possible that earth is the only planet to ever sustain intelligent life?  The universe is a very big place, it would seem reasonable that life could have sparked at a few locations and somewhere within those 13.5 billion years.  Could that life have existed long enough to develop intelligence?

If alien intelligence are visiting our planet, it will have developed technologies well beyond human comprehension.  Crossing time and space (and they will manipulate time), only to zip precariously through the sky and flash the headlights at a few ignorant humans?  The whole plot would seem a bit naive.

Would we recognize or even perceive alien technology?  Would they care to reveal themselves and to what purpose would it serve?

Even if there were something unique on earth of interest to them, perhaps a valuable resource or some astronomically unique fluke of nature, would they not have already dealt with it, in the time of their choice?  Why would that time be now and why return repeatedly?

Astronomers possess no greater potential of seeing a UFO than an average person (in other words, don&#039;t hold your breath).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be possible that earth is the only planet to ever sustain intelligent life?  The universe is a very big place, it would seem reasonable that life could have sparked at a few locations and somewhere within those 13.5 billion years.  Could that life have existed long enough to develop intelligence?</p>
<p>If alien intelligence are visiting our planet, it will have developed technologies well beyond human comprehension.  Crossing time and space (and they will manipulate time), only to zip precariously through the sky and flash the headlights at a few ignorant humans?  The whole plot would seem a bit naive.</p>
<p>Would we recognize or even perceive alien technology?  Would they care to reveal themselves and to what purpose would it serve?</p>
<p>Even if there were something unique on earth of interest to them, perhaps a valuable resource or some astronomically unique fluke of nature, would they not have already dealt with it, in the time of their choice?  Why would that time be now and why return repeatedly?</p>
<p>Astronomers possess no greater potential of seeing a UFO than an average person (in other words, don&#8217;t hold your breath).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 23:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m consider myself a very amateur astronomer (amateur - from the French - to love). Theres only been one occasion where I can honestly say that I didn&#039;t have a clue at what I was seeing. Most of the time (like the article says), I see satellites, Venus, the occasional meteor. One time though I had no explanation for the triangular shaped object I saw hovering on the western horizon, which appeared to change from a single object to a triple triangular shaped object. I do have no doubts that other civilisations exist, given the number of galaxies which exist in the universe. Its just that they&#039;re probably not that interested in our childish, primitive ways. Lets face it, who could blame them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m consider myself a very amateur astronomer (amateur &#8211; from the French &#8211; to love). Theres only been one occasion where I can honestly say that I didn&#8217;t have a clue at what I was seeing. Most of the time (like the article says), I see satellites, Venus, the occasional meteor. One time though I had no explanation for the triangular shaped object I saw hovering on the western horizon, which appeared to change from a single object to a triple triangular shaped object. I do have no doubts that other civilisations exist, given the number of galaxies which exist in the universe. Its just that they&#8217;re probably not that interested in our childish, primitive ways. Lets face it, who could blame them!</p>
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		<title>By: Lugosi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lugosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 22:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My personal theory: While there is certainly life life on other worlds (if you get right down to it, life is just a series of fancy chemical reactions), &quot;intelligent&quot; life is far more rare. And any race that does eventually become technologically advanced ends up sewing the seeds of its own destruction, either through war or environmental degradation. Additionally, the distances involved in interstellar travel rule out contact between worlds.
Of course, with my luck, later tonight I&#039;ll get abducted by aliens heavily armed with anal probes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal theory: While there is certainly life life on other worlds (if you get right down to it, life is just a series of fancy chemical reactions), &#8220;intelligent&#8221; life is far more rare. And any race that does eventually become technologically advanced ends up sewing the seeds of its own destruction, either through war or environmental degradation. Additionally, the distances involved in interstellar travel rule out contact between worlds.<br />
Of course, with my luck, later tonight I&#8217;ll get abducted by aliens heavily armed with anal probes.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Why Don&#8217;t Amateur Astronomers Report Seeing UFOs?&#160;&#124;&#160;Orbiting Frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 18:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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