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	<title>Comments on: The Universe so bright, it&#8217;s gotta wear shades</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Tod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 06:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, thanks again for yet another fascinating post.  I loved the picture and I learned a bit from your lucid explanation.

Keep them coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, thanks again for yet another fascinating post.  I loved the picture and I learned a bit from your lucid explanation.</p>
<p>Keep them coming!</p>
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		<title>By: bswift</title>
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		<dc:creator>bswift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 21:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Varn Nine, I corrected myself in my hasty response to ShavenYak about 9 seconds after I posted it.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Varn Nine, I corrected myself in my hasty response to ShavenYak about 9 seconds after I posted it.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: ShavenYak</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShavenYak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 15:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Varn Nine, for saving me the trouble of typing all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Varn Nine, for saving me the trouble of typing all that.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Crowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Crowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 14:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;That’s enough energy to run a typical American house for… let’s see… carry the two… a gazillion years. More or less.&#039;

... or Al Gore&#039;s house for maybe a day and a half.

GC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;That’s enough energy to run a typical American house for… let’s see… carry the two… a gazillion years. More or less.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8230; or Al Gore&#8217;s house for maybe a day and a half.</p>
<p>GC</p>
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		<title>By: Varn Nine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Varn Nine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever since I saw that &#039;someone is wrong on the internet&#039; post by xkcd, I can&#039;t leave these things alone.

&lt;i&gt;If you want numbers, then on average, stars in the nearby Universe produce about 4,600,000,000,000,000 Watts per cubic light year, but we see only 2,600,000,000,000,000 Watts of it. The rest is absorbed by dust. That’s enough energy to run a typical American house for… let’s see… carry the two… a gazillion years.&lt;/i&gt;

Scientists usually aren&#039;t unclear on Units of Measure as such, but they sometimes speak fast and use words in their &#039;civilian&#039; context (I used to wax raging when hippies would talk about energy), not stopping to think someone who thinks less clearly will be confused. Power and energy look pretty much the same to a layperson.

Energy is the inherent ability to do work, and has the same units as work. Power is work done or energy transmitted (or wasted, or created) per time unit. If the Universe produces 4.6E15 Watts, this means Joules per second, or roughly how many kilograms you could lift one meter high each second in Earth gravity. In an hour, the energy thus accrued would be 4.6E12 kWh.

&lt;i&gt;So in an hour (if the new model is correct), a typical cubic light year of your local Universe creates $460 billion worth of power.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;d have to agree with ShavenYak and disagree with bswift. Strictly speaking, you put a price tag on energy, not power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever since I saw that &#8216;someone is wrong on the internet&#8217; post by xkcd, I can&#8217;t leave these things alone.</p>
<p><i>If you want numbers, then on average, stars in the nearby Universe produce about 4,600,000,000,000,000 Watts per cubic light year, but we see only 2,600,000,000,000,000 Watts of it. The rest is absorbed by dust. That’s enough energy to run a typical American house for… let’s see… carry the two… a gazillion years.</i></p>
<p>Scientists usually aren&#8217;t unclear on Units of Measure as such, but they sometimes speak fast and use words in their &#8216;civilian&#8217; context (I used to wax raging when hippies would talk about energy), not stopping to think someone who thinks less clearly will be confused. Power and energy look pretty much the same to a layperson.</p>
<p>Energy is the inherent ability to do work, and has the same units as work. Power is work done or energy transmitted (or wasted, or created) per time unit. If the Universe produces 4.6E15 Watts, this means Joules per second, or roughly how many kilograms you could lift one meter high each second in Earth gravity. In an hour, the energy thus accrued would be 4.6E12 kWh.</p>
<p><i>So in an hour (if the new model is correct), a typical cubic light year of your local Universe creates $460 billion worth of power.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to agree with ShavenYak and disagree with bswift. Strictly speaking, you put a price tag on energy, not power.</p>
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		<title>By: madge</title>
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		<dc:creator>madge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 05:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the mess : (madge dons her rubber gloves and whips out her feather duster to clean up : ) Prolly caused by my son! I seem to spend my life clearing up after him. Age 13,  a science geek par excellence and yet can&#039;t work a vacuum cleaner! Sheesh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the mess : (madge dons her rubber gloves and whips out her feather duster to clean up : ) Prolly caused by my son! I seem to spend my life clearing up after him. Age 13,  a science geek par excellence and yet can&#8217;t work a vacuum cleaner! Sheesh</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Kary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Kary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 04:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the moment I&#039;m a little too tired to start digging through the paper, so I&#039;m probably just missing something obvious here. But as I look at the abstract there is one thing that bothers me. It describes the attenuation at specific wavelengths, but as I recall from our discussion of Obler&#039;s Paradox back in cosmology class, on any meaningful timescale dust can only redistribute the light to different wavelengths, it can&#039;t really eliminate it. So if this dust is absorbing 87% of the light at 2.1 microns, that just means that there is a lot more light coming out at some other wavelength, probably out at 10, 20 or 30 microns instead.

So, haven&#039;t people already been observing the amount of light coming out of galaxies in the far infrared (and maybe even microwave bands)? And if so, hasn&#039;t that been included in the typical mass-to-light ratios for those galaxies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the moment I&#8217;m a little too tired to start digging through the paper, so I&#8217;m probably just missing something obvious here. But as I look at the abstract there is one thing that bothers me. It describes the attenuation at specific wavelengths, but as I recall from our discussion of Obler&#8217;s Paradox back in cosmology class, on any meaningful timescale dust can only redistribute the light to different wavelengths, it can&#8217;t really eliminate it. So if this dust is absorbing 87% of the light at 2.1 microns, that just means that there is a lot more light coming out at some other wavelength, probably out at 10, 20 or 30 microns instead.</p>
<p>So, haven&#8217;t people already been observing the amount of light coming out of galaxies in the far infrared (and maybe even microwave bands)? And if so, hasn&#8217;t that been included in the typical mass-to-light ratios for those galaxies?</p>
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		<title>By: bswift</title>
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		<dc:creator>bswift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 04:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TorbjÃ¶rn:  There is indeed much more baryonic gas (that is not in stars), and I believe a lot of it is in intergalactic space, which has a relatively much larger volume.  The number I quoted was, as I said, a rule-of-thumb for the average gas density in the galactic disk.  I don&#039;t have a good feel for the average intergalactic medium gas density, so I can&#039;t quote that for you, but it&#039;s got to be quite a bit less (down by ~2 orders of mag or so?  more?)...what saves you is the enormous volume of the IGM that this low-density gas occupies.

So, yes, there&#039;s a lot more mass in gas than in the stars in the universe, but in galaxies, usually there&#039;s more mass in stars.*

*I personally don&#039;t study galaxies, and this is just based on what I&#039;m recalling offhand.  However, I&#039;m pretty certain this is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TorbjÃ¶rn:  There is indeed much more baryonic gas (that is not in stars), and I believe a lot of it is in intergalactic space, which has a relatively much larger volume.  The number I quoted was, as I said, a rule-of-thumb for the average gas density in the galactic disk.  I don&#8217;t have a good feel for the average intergalactic medium gas density, so I can&#8217;t quote that for you, but it&#8217;s got to be quite a bit less (down by ~2 orders of mag or so?  more?)&#8230;what saves you is the enormous volume of the IGM that this low-density gas occupies.</p>
<p>So, yes, there&#8217;s a lot more mass in gas than in the stars in the universe, but in galaxies, usually there&#8217;s more mass in stars.*</p>
<p>*I personally don&#8217;t study galaxies, and this is just based on what I&#8217;m recalling offhand.  However, I&#8217;m pretty certain this is right.</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, can we assume that stars are a major component of the baryonic mass?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This pie chart, which must be dated, claims that it is 10 % of the gas component&lt;/a&gt;. bswift gets the reverse ratio, so I&#039;m uncertain to within two orders of magnitude here. :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, can we assume that stars are a major component of the baryonic mass?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe" rel="nofollow">This pie chart, which must be dated, claims that it is 10 % of the gas component</a>. bswift gets the reverse ratio, so I&#8217;m uncertain to within two orders of magnitude here. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TMB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly enough, I just finished the proof corrections on my paper about correcting galaxy luminosities and colours for dust when seen at different inclinations. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough, I just finished the proof corrections on my paper about correcting galaxy luminosities and colours for dust when seen at different inclinations. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Blaidd Drwg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blaidd Drwg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 01:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What astronomers call dust is actually a relatively complex molecule, based on carbon and created in red giants,&quot;

&quot;We are Stardust, We are Golden,
And we&#039;ve got to get ourselves,
Back to the Garden&quot;


&quot;Of course, finding an outlet in a cubic light year (which is 1039 cubic kilometers) might be an issue.&quot;

I have enough touble finding the outlet behind the couch - finally found it while watching &quot;Blink&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What astronomers call dust is actually a relatively complex molecule, based on carbon and created in red giants,&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We are Stardust, We are Golden,<br />
And we&#8217;ve got to get ourselves,<br />
Back to the Garden&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Of course, finding an outlet in a cubic light year (which is 1039 cubic kilometers) might be an issue.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have enough touble finding the outlet behind the couch &#8211; finally found it while watching &#8220;Blink&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Grand Lunar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grand Lunar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 23:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given what I read about carbon stars pumping out all their dust, I figured they had to be clouding up the universe.

I find it a bit ironic too; here on Earth, we worry about the carbon we dump into the air, and thus try to reduce it.
Out in space, these stars that produce power by a rather clean method for our means on Earth also are pumping out carbon.

Funny, isn&#039;t it?
Not that&#039;s it&#039;s a reason to ignore our issues with carbon....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given what I read about carbon stars pumping out all their dust, I figured they had to be clouding up the universe.</p>
<p>I find it a bit ironic too; here on Earth, we worry about the carbon we dump into the air, and thus try to reduce it.<br />
Out in space, these stars that produce power by a rather clean method for our means on Earth also are pumping out carbon.</p>
<p>Funny, isn&#8217;t it?<br />
Not that&#8217;s it&#8217;s a reason to ignore our issues with carbon&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sili</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 23:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t you just say the other day that we&#039;re actually missing about half the baryonic matter we need according to the distribution of light elements and the WMAP? This seems to fit nicely with that number.

As brought up by Pieter Kok, bswift and Richard B. Drummon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t you just say the other day that we&#8217;re actually missing about half the baryonic matter we need according to the distribution of light elements and the WMAP? This seems to fit nicely with that number.</p>
<p>As brought up by Pieter Kok, bswift and Richard B. Drummon.</p>
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		<title>By: David Galbraith&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Universal electricity bill doubles</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Galbraith&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Universal electricity bill doubles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] According to Badastronomy the universe generates (or is that consumes?) half a trillion dollars of power per cubic light year per hour, not a quarter of a trillion as was thought until yesterday. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] According to Badastronomy the universe generates (or is that consumes?) half a trillion dollars of power per cubic light year per hour, not a quarter of a trillion as was thought until yesterday. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the universe is &quot;producing&quot; (i.e. converting) 4.6e15 joules/second (power), at the rate of $0.10 per kWh ($/energy), according to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;client=safari&amp;rls=en-us&amp;q=4%2C600%2C000%2C000%2C000%2C000+Watts+*+1+second++*+%2810+cents%2FkWh%29&amp;btnG=Search&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;google&lt;/a&gt;, that&#039;s 1.27e8 $/second or about 4000 trillion dollars a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the universe is &#8220;producing&#8221; (i.e. converting) 4.6e15 joules/second (power), at the rate of $0.10 per kWh ($/energy), according to <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;client=safari&amp;rls=en-us&amp;q=4%2C600%2C000%2C000%2C000%2C000+Watts+*+1+second++*+%2810+cents%2FkWh%29&amp;btnG=Search" rel="nofollow">google</a>, that&#8217;s 1.27e8 $/second or about 4000 trillion dollars a year.</p>
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		<title>By: tigerhawkvok</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigerhawkvok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niice.  Do you know what parameters, in particular, were tweaked to give this new result?

Also: you (a) may want to clairfy the power output as 460 billion dollars *per second* [I&#039;m assuming], and (b) Pleeease use scientific notation for the numbers of huge!

Though there is a bit of a nifty-factor in seeing a massive number of zeroes following a digit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niice.  Do you know what parameters, in particular, were tweaked to give this new result?</p>
<p>Also: you (a) may want to clairfy the power output as 460 billion dollars *per second* [I'm assuming], and (b) Pleeease use scientific notation for the numbers of huge!</p>
<p>Though there is a bit of a nifty-factor in seeing a massive number of zeroes following a digit.</p>
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		<title>By: ioresult</title>
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		<dc:creator>ioresult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I reread the intro and I get it now.</description>
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		<title>By: ioresult</title>
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		<dc:creator>ioresult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.*

I don&#039;t get it.

*See?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.*</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>*See?</p>
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		<title>By: Fer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesing. And the picture of the galaxy is simply beatiuful. It reminds me of the Sombrero Galaxy, only with less dust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesing. And the picture of the galaxy is simply beatiuful. It reminds me of the Sombrero Galaxy, only with less dust.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard B. Drumm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard B. Drumm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pieter Kok &amp; bswift:
My thoughts exactly! This doubles (more-R-less) the baryonic slice of the universe&#039;s pie! Go baryons! W00t!  W00t!
Take that, dark matter! (Well give us a little ground anyway...)
Richard Drumm the Astronomy Bum
(If I can think of a better nickname, I&#039;ll start using it ASAP)
... in Charlottesville till the cows come home...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pieter Kok &amp; bswift:<br />
My thoughts exactly! This doubles (more-R-less) the baryonic slice of the universe&#8217;s pie! Go baryons! W00t!  W00t!<br />
Take that, dark matter! (Well give us a little ground anyway&#8230;)<br />
Richard Drumm the Astronomy Bum<br />
(If I can think of a better nickname, I&#8217;ll start using it ASAP)<br />
&#8230; in Charlottesville till the cows come home&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bswift</title>
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		<dc:creator>bswift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bryan:  Proabably in diffuse gas.  Rules of thumb that I know:  1) there&#039;s about 1 particle per cm^3 in gas in the &quot;typical&quot; interstellar medium, and 2) the mean distance between stars in the disk is about 1 parsec (~3 light years).

Using these numbers I get about 0.001 solar masses per cubic light year in gas and about 0.03 solar masses per cubic light year in stars.

The sun&#039;s luminosity is 3.8x10^26 Watts and using this as a &quot;typical&quot; star, that gives us about 10^25 Watts/LY^3 (so I don&#039;t know where Phil gets fewx10^15 Watts/LY^3 above...my estimate can&#039;t be that far off.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bryan:  Proabably in diffuse gas.  Rules of thumb that I know:  1) there&#8217;s about 1 particle per cm^3 in gas in the &#8220;typical&#8221; interstellar medium, and 2) the mean distance between stars in the disk is about 1 parsec (~3 light years).</p>
<p>Using these numbers I get about 0.001 solar masses per cubic light year in gas and about 0.03 solar masses per cubic light year in stars.</p>
<p>The sun&#8217;s luminosity is 3.8&#215;10^26 Watts and using this as a &#8220;typical&#8221; star, that gives us about 10^25 Watts/LY^3 (so I don&#8217;t know where Phil gets fewx10^15 Watts/LY^3 above&#8230;my estimate can&#8217;t be that far off.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Muskens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Muskens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I look up NGC 4545 in the World Wide Telescope I see a totally different galaxy .......????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I look up NGC 4545 in the World Wide Telescope I see a totally different galaxy &#8230;&#8230;.????</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan McCloskey</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/15/the-universe-so-bright-its-gotta-wear-shades/comment-page-1/#comment-89531</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan McCloskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that that ain&#039;t bright, Phil, but isn&#039;t that still only about .00000000001 solar mass stars per cubic light year? Still pretty lonely out there. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that that ain&#8217;t bright, Phil, but isn&#8217;t that still only about .00000000001 solar mass stars per cubic light year? Still pretty lonely out there. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lars Thorsen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/15/the-universe-so-bright-its-gotta-wear-shades/comment-page-1/#comment-89529</link>
		<dc:creator>Lars Thorsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I thought my workplace was short of outlets. I am SO not hoovering the universe. Not without some serious extension cords at least!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I thought my workplace was short of outlets. I am SO not hoovering the universe. Not without some serious extension cords at least!</p>
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		<title>By: shadowfax</title>
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		<dc:creator>shadowfax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 18:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty picture.

I ... um ... like pretty pictures.</description>
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<p>I &#8230; um &#8230; like pretty pictures.</p>
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