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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: S.G.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/19/2012-the-year-nothing-will-happen/comment-page-3/#comment-227568</link>
		<dc:creator>S.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;May I ask a question here? none of you are from outside the US or CANADA right?&quot;

I&#039;m not, no. Why - does it matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;May I ask a question here? none of you are from outside the US or CANADA right?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not, no. Why &#8211; does it matter?</p>
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		<title>By: Hamza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I ask a question here? none of you are from outside the US or CANADA right?</description>
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		<title>By: S.G.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/19/2012-the-year-nothing-will-happen/comment-page-3/#comment-227171</link>
		<dc:creator>S.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, it&#039;s hard to believe this blog is still receiving comments! 

I just want to put a few things into perspective. First of all, I am by no means a Mayan expert. I have done a bit of research though, and I have found some facts that are worth noting. 

It&#039;s important to remember that however primitive the Mayan may seem to us, they were certainly very adept astronomers, and predicted cycles that were only matched by our technology in the last few hundred years. Also, most of their calenders appear to be astronomical, although some may not have been. 

The meaning of the Long Count calender is largely a mystery. The cycle that it measures has been lost to the sands of time, it seems, in no small part for the fact that the Mayan&#039;s records were systematically destroyed by the Spanish, save for less than a half a dozen or so texts. What we do know is that their (re)creation myth coincides with it, which is believed by most scholars to be a day in 3114 BC, and the calender then resets 1872000 days later, in 2012. There is only one surviving reference to any events that may occur on the latter date from the ancient Mayans themselves. Unfortunately, the tablet is damaged, and thus incomplete. What can be read from it is essentially:

&quot;The Thirteenth baktun (comprising 1872000 days) will end on 4 Ajaw, the 3rd of Uniiw (2012). Black [...illegible...] will occur. The descent of  (the deity) Bolon Yookte&#039; K&#039;uh to the great [...illegible...]&quot;

Not a lot to go on, admittedly. Incidentally, though, these sorts of references to the descensions of gods are actually fairly common, such as in dedications of new structures, temples, etc, for instance, so on the surface, at least, the message isn&#039;t necessarily as ominous as one might imagine. There is one slightly disturbing thing here, though: the deity Bolon Yookte&#039; K&#039;uh generally represents a malevolent figure, often associated with war, the underworld, etc. That is, of course from our limited understanding of their religion, of course, so no doubt he may have served some positive roles as well. Nonetheless it is worth consideration.

Now the matter of their (re)creation myth. It basically says that the gods were unhappy, subjected the existing world to a calamity, and then recreated man from, of all things, corn. The details of the destruction are essentially that the sky blackened, a sticky, putrid rain fell, and the seas rose to an incredible height, covering even high mountains. Several days later, the flood subsided and the gods recreated man. Basically.

One thing that does seem somewhat unlikely is that this event would have been passed down faithfully (and accurately) for, what was then (when the story was commited to writing), 2000 years or so. It&#039;s certainly possible (we have done it, after all), but it definitely begs the question. At any rate, all known Mayan writings associate this event with the turn of the Long Count calender, in the year 3114 BC. Which brings me to another slightly disturbing (if not speculative) observation. If you look at the written history of the world, none go much further back than this date. The Bhagavata Purana of India dates to about 3100, the first pharoahs of Egypt perhaps 3150, the founders of China around 2850, and the first writings of the Sumerians circa 3100. Moreover, all of these histories seem to begin with a common motif: a great flood. A coincidence, perhaps, but again, notable.

Incidentally, the recently discovered Burckle crater in the Indian Ocean, measuring roughly 30KM wide, is believed to have been formed at around this time. If so, it might be a plausible explanation for these myths. After all, a rock of such magnitude crashing into the Earth at, say, 50000 KM/hour could be expected to generate some pretty massive tsunamis, not to mention wreak havoc on the ecosystem, with long-lasting effects of at least a few years. Consider that the meteor causing the Tunguska Event of 1908, as powerful as it was, is generally considered to be just a few tens of meters wide! 

This is all speculation, of course. And furthermore, even if the Long Count does coincide with a period of such a disaster, it doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that a similar event will occur when it restarts, either. However, it is, of course, possible, and it would be foolish to disregard it simply on the grounds that we don&#039;t have any conclusive evidence of a connection. For example, it could be that a group of large meteors were spotted around that time, one or a few struck the earth, and the Mayans (or their ancestors) somehow calculated that the group would return once more 5125 years later. It seems unlikely, naturally, that one would be able to make such a far off predictions of that sort, but then again, we don&#039;t know much about the actual extent of their knowledge, either. Given their prowess as astronomers, one has to wonder. 

So, in conclusion, my assessment is that the world will most likely not end in 2012, but if anything does happen, it will most likely originate skyward, so a vigilance in celestial observation would be highly recommended. That said, we are very lucky to live in these times, if such a threat does indeed pose itself. High-tech instruments, supercomputers, and dedicated observers and analysts continually scan the skys, and so our chances of spotting a problem early on are very good. Moreover, there are many technologies readily available that could used in our defense, as well, so we really aren&#039;t in such a bad position after all. In other words, whatever the case, there is really no need for panic or hysteria. With an open mind and a sharp eye, we&#039;ll pull through just fine.

Best Regards, 

- S.G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, it&#8217;s hard to believe this blog is still receiving comments! </p>
<p>I just want to put a few things into perspective. First of all, I am by no means a Mayan expert. I have done a bit of research though, and I have found some facts that are worth noting. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to remember that however primitive the Mayan may seem to us, they were certainly very adept astronomers, and predicted cycles that were only matched by our technology in the last few hundred years. Also, most of their calenders appear to be astronomical, although some may not have been. </p>
<p>The meaning of the Long Count calender is largely a mystery. The cycle that it measures has been lost to the sands of time, it seems, in no small part for the fact that the Mayan&#8217;s records were systematically destroyed by the Spanish, save for less than a half a dozen or so texts. What we do know is that their (re)creation myth coincides with it, which is believed by most scholars to be a day in 3114 BC, and the calender then resets 1872000 days later, in 2012. There is only one surviving reference to any events that may occur on the latter date from the ancient Mayans themselves. Unfortunately, the tablet is damaged, and thus incomplete. What can be read from it is essentially:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Thirteenth baktun (comprising 1872000 days) will end on 4 Ajaw, the 3rd of Uniiw (2012). Black [...illegible...] will occur. The descent of  (the deity) Bolon Yookte&#8217; K&#8217;uh to the great [...illegible...]&#8221;</p>
<p>Not a lot to go on, admittedly. Incidentally, though, these sorts of references to the descensions of gods are actually fairly common, such as in dedications of new structures, temples, etc, for instance, so on the surface, at least, the message isn&#8217;t necessarily as ominous as one might imagine. There is one slightly disturbing thing here, though: the deity Bolon Yookte&#8217; K&#8217;uh generally represents a malevolent figure, often associated with war, the underworld, etc. That is, of course from our limited understanding of their religion, of course, so no doubt he may have served some positive roles as well. Nonetheless it is worth consideration.</p>
<p>Now the matter of their (re)creation myth. It basically says that the gods were unhappy, subjected the existing world to a calamity, and then recreated man from, of all things, corn. The details of the destruction are essentially that the sky blackened, a sticky, putrid rain fell, and the seas rose to an incredible height, covering even high mountains. Several days later, the flood subsided and the gods recreated man. Basically.</p>
<p>One thing that does seem somewhat unlikely is that this event would have been passed down faithfully (and accurately) for, what was then (when the story was commited to writing), 2000 years or so. It&#8217;s certainly possible (we have done it, after all), but it definitely begs the question. At any rate, all known Mayan writings associate this event with the turn of the Long Count calender, in the year 3114 BC. Which brings me to another slightly disturbing (if not speculative) observation. If you look at the written history of the world, none go much further back than this date. The Bhagavata Purana of India dates to about 3100, the first pharoahs of Egypt perhaps 3150, the founders of China around 2850, and the first writings of the Sumerians circa 3100. Moreover, all of these histories seem to begin with a common motif: a great flood. A coincidence, perhaps, but again, notable.</p>
<p>Incidentally, the recently discovered Burckle crater in the Indian Ocean, measuring roughly 30KM wide, is believed to have been formed at around this time. If so, it might be a plausible explanation for these myths. After all, a rock of such magnitude crashing into the Earth at, say, 50000 KM/hour could be expected to generate some pretty massive tsunamis, not to mention wreak havoc on the ecosystem, with long-lasting effects of at least a few years. Consider that the meteor causing the Tunguska Event of 1908, as powerful as it was, is generally considered to be just a few tens of meters wide! </p>
<p>This is all speculation, of course. And furthermore, even if the Long Count does coincide with a period of such a disaster, it doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that a similar event will occur when it restarts, either. However, it is, of course, possible, and it would be foolish to disregard it simply on the grounds that we don&#8217;t have any conclusive evidence of a connection. For example, it could be that a group of large meteors were spotted around that time, one or a few struck the earth, and the Mayans (or their ancestors) somehow calculated that the group would return once more 5125 years later. It seems unlikely, naturally, that one would be able to make such a far off predictions of that sort, but then again, we don&#8217;t know much about the actual extent of their knowledge, either. Given their prowess as astronomers, one has to wonder. </p>
<p>So, in conclusion, my assessment is that the world will most likely not end in 2012, but if anything does happen, it will most likely originate skyward, so a vigilance in celestial observation would be highly recommended. That said, we are very lucky to live in these times, if such a threat does indeed pose itself. High-tech instruments, supercomputers, and dedicated observers and analysts continually scan the skys, and so our chances of spotting a problem early on are very good. Moreover, there are many technologies readily available that could used in our defense, as well, so we really aren&#8217;t in such a bad position after all. In other words, whatever the case, there is really no need for panic or hysteria. With an open mind and a sharp eye, we&#8217;ll pull through just fine.</p>
<p>Best Regards, </p>
<p>- S.G.</p>
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		<title>By: What i've done</title>
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		<dc:creator>What i've done</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all natural disasters will go off at once all around the world covering the world in darkness so no one can see. The world will be covered in hot lava. ever little of our people will live then they will die with the lack of food and water. then a thousand of years later our civization will evolve and will be reborn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all natural disasters will go off at once all around the world covering the world in darkness so no one can see. The world will be covered in hot lava. ever little of our people will live then they will die with the lack of food and water. then a thousand of years later our civization will evolve and will be reborn.</p>
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		<title>By: what i&#8217;ve done</title>
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		<dc:creator>what i&#8217;ve done</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I think will happen on 2012 is that all natural Disasters will go off all around the world and only a couple of us will live and then die of starvasion and then in a couple of years the earth will start over again with our civilization will evolve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I think will happen on 2012 is that all natural Disasters will go off all around the world and only a couple of us will live and then die of starvasion and then in a couple of years the earth will start over again with our civilization will evolve.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos AKA CarlosPanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos AKA CarlosPanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real end of the world is 5 billion years away. 

Don&#039;t worry about 2012 (NOT a film, a real year though)

I don&#039;t believe Planet X or so.

So don&#039;t believe and know that the world will end in 2012. So have more humanitarian consciousness, renewal and ascension as we undergo physical, mental, emotional and spiritual transformation on December 21, 2012 as Mayan Calendar ends, despite pole-shifting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real end of the world is 5 billion years away. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about 2012 (NOT a film, a real year though)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe Planet X or so.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t believe and know that the world will end in 2012. So have more humanitarian consciousness, renewal and ascension as we undergo physical, mental, emotional and spiritual transformation on December 21, 2012 as Mayan Calendar ends, despite pole-shifting.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t belive that people believe this stuff that we&#039;re all going to die in2012 it&#039;s not going to happen.  There is proof that the world will end about 5 billion years from now the sun will burn out and expand enough to swallow earth and become a yellow dwarf but&#039;all of us right now will already be dead.  Pretty much I&#039;ll be a lump of coal by then so not to worry.  Foe example the warning sings that people say will help us live like terrorists,volcanoes, tsunamis all happen n naterly.  All I&#039;m saying is if you believe were going to die in 2012 you&#039;re just a moron by there isn&#039;t any proof just like the new millennium in2000.

P.S. I&#039;m only eleven I&#039;m not world&#039;s greatest speller I do have a point for this noncence.  You never know when you&#039;re going to die so shut up about 2012!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t belive that people believe this stuff that we&#8217;re all going to die in2012 it&#8217;s not going to happen.  There is proof that the world will end about 5 billion years from now the sun will burn out and expand enough to swallow earth and become a yellow dwarf but&#8217;all of us right now will already be dead.  Pretty much I&#8217;ll be a lump of coal by then so not to worry.  Foe example the warning sings that people say will help us live like terrorists,volcanoes, tsunamis all happen n naterly.  All I&#8217;m saying is if you believe were going to die in 2012 you&#8217;re just a moron by there isn&#8217;t any proof just like the new millennium in2000.</p>
<p>P.S. I&#8217;m only eleven I&#8217;m not world&#8217;s greatest speller I do have a point for this noncence.  You never know when you&#8217;re going to die so shut up about 2012!</p>
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