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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: The Centipede</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Centipede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 21:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, honesty demands me share my story.  In high school, my biology teacher was an honest-to-God on-public-access-television Holy Roller.  Total YEC.  When it came to teaching evolution, though, he said something that I respect him for to this day:

&quot;Class, we are going to study evolution over the next while.  Now, please understand, this is not only a requirement but the state of the science.  You need to know that I disagree with it, but on purely religious grounds.  I&#039;ll do my best not to let my bias show or enter into my teaching but &lt;i&gt;keep it in mind&lt;/i&gt;.  This &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; science, and important.&quot;

That&#039;s the reason why I disagree vehemently when people say that one can&#039;t be religious and scientific at the same time; &lt;i&gt;I&#039;ve seen it done.&lt;/i&gt;  It takes a lot of responsibility, introspection, and self-management, but people are fully capable of going &quot;I believe this because it is true, I believe this because I want it to be true but this other is the accepted scientific truth.&quot;  Mostly people choose not to do it (or never even realize they have the choice and power to do it) because they are not taught to.

What my teacher believes, as long as he or she is honest about it, is irrelevant compared to what he or she &lt;i&gt;teaches&lt;/i&gt;.  Sadly, one is all too often identical to the other, but there are people out there who we should be applauding because they do their jobs and to them well despite their perhaps backwards beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, honesty demands me share my story.  In high school, my biology teacher was an honest-to-God on-public-access-television Holy Roller.  Total YEC.  When it came to teaching evolution, though, he said something that I respect him for to this day:</p>
<p>&#8220;Class, we are going to study evolution over the next while.  Now, please understand, this is not only a requirement but the state of the science.  You need to know that I disagree with it, but on purely religious grounds.  I&#8217;ll do my best not to let my bias show or enter into my teaching but <i>keep it in mind</i>.  This <i>is</i> science, and important.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the reason why I disagree vehemently when people say that one can&#8217;t be religious and scientific at the same time; <i>I&#8217;ve seen it done.</i>  It takes a lot of responsibility, introspection, and self-management, but people are fully capable of going &#8220;I believe this because it is true, I believe this because I want it to be true but this other is the accepted scientific truth.&#8221;  Mostly people choose not to do it (or never even realize they have the choice and power to do it) because they are not taught to.</p>
<p>What my teacher believes, as long as he or she is honest about it, is irrelevant compared to what he or she <i>teaches</i>.  Sadly, one is all too often identical to the other, but there are people out there who we should be applauding because they do their jobs and to them well despite their perhaps backwards beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: Maksutov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maksutov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 06:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having lived in the southern US for 18 years now, I know where a lot of the data come from that put those histograms where they are.

I used to be an advisor for seniors in the Ole Miss Engineering School, typically guiding a group through their graduate projects. In such a role I got to meet a lot of the staff of the engineering and science departments. It was (and is) a hotbed for creationists and IDers.

It always struck me as peculiar when, for example, I&#039;d be talking to a geology professor, and we happened to venture into a topic such as the age of the Earth, you could see him blink, shift gears, and put on his dogma hat as he pronounced with rapt, blank eyes that the Earth and the Universe were really 6000 years old.

Then he&#039;d return to reality and talk about what he was supposed to be teaching the students. But there&#039;d always be more than a hint of insincerity.

How such persons manage to exist with such dual/multiple personalities is beyond my ken. That they&#039;re in positions where they&#039;re &quot;educating&quot; our youth is ludicrous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having lived in the southern US for 18 years now, I know where a lot of the data come from that put those histograms where they are.</p>
<p>I used to be an advisor for seniors in the Ole Miss Engineering School, typically guiding a group through their graduate projects. In such a role I got to meet a lot of the staff of the engineering and science departments. It was (and is) a hotbed for creationists and IDers.</p>
<p>It always struck me as peculiar when, for example, I&#8217;d be talking to a geology professor, and we happened to venture into a topic such as the age of the Earth, you could see him blink, shift gears, and put on his dogma hat as he pronounced with rapt, blank eyes that the Earth and the Universe were really 6000 years old.</p>
<p>Then he&#8217;d return to reality and talk about what he was supposed to be teaching the students. But there&#8217;d always be more than a hint of insincerity.</p>
<p>How such persons manage to exist with such dual/multiple personalities is beyond my ken. That they&#8217;re in positions where they&#8217;re &#8220;educating&#8221; our youth is ludicrous.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Brueschke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Brueschke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 05:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been more interested in physics and Geology than biology, and as I looked at quantum physics I decided that I&#039;m an adherent to the Watchmaker Analogy. Something kick started the Universe 14-odd billion years ago, got bored and left.

If the creationists wanted to explain G-d starting things, they should look at the Big Bang 14 GYA. But that&#039;d require more math and hard science than they are comfortable with I reckon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been more interested in physics and Geology than biology, and as I looked at quantum physics I decided that I&#8217;m an adherent to the Watchmaker Analogy. Something kick started the Universe 14-odd billion years ago, got bored and left.</p>
<p>If the creationists wanted to explain G-d starting things, they should look at the Big Bang 14 GYA. But that&#8217;d require more math and hard science than they are comfortable with I reckon.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Sure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Sure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 00:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was disappointed to see no love for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism.  The universe is 45 minutes old.

Everything you remember before that came factory installed for you.
You &amp; Col. Tigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was disappointed to see no love for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism.  The universe is 45 minutes old.</p>
<p>Everything you remember before that came factory installed for you.<br />
You &amp; Col. Tigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Tervuren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tervuren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 23:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Special Education Teacher, I teach Emotionally Disturbed middle and high school students.  I teach in rural Northern New York State.  In the program I taught in a couple of years ago, I (or my assistant) would attend the mainstream classes with the students who could mainstream, so we could reteach the material as needed.  I always attended the Science classes.

I found that the Ninth Grade Earth Science teacher had a small table in the front of the classroom covered in Young Earth Creationist tracts.  They were never referred to in class, as far as I heard.  But they were there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Special Education Teacher, I teach Emotionally Disturbed middle and high school students.  I teach in rural Northern New York State.  In the program I taught in a couple of years ago, I (or my assistant) would attend the mainstream classes with the students who could mainstream, so we could reteach the material as needed.  I always attended the Science classes.</p>
<p>I found that the Ninth Grade Earth Science teacher had a small table in the front of the classroom covered in Young Earth Creationist tracts.  They were never referred to in class, as far as I heard.  But they were there!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 22:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, might be time to rally your peeps in Louisiana again to contact their representatives....


http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/19150769.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, might be time to rally your peeps in Louisiana again to contact their representatives&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/19150769.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/19150769.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 22:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sickening. America is well on it&#039;s way to becoming the laughing stock of the planet. Especially when it comes to science, engineering, and other technical issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sickening. America is well on it&#8217;s way to becoming the laughing stock of the planet. Especially when it comes to science, engineering, and other technical issues.</p>
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