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	<title>Comments on: Louisiana&#8217;s doom, now with video!</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/06/13/more-on-louisianas-doom/comment-page-1/#comment-688</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can somebody tell me just how Young Earth Creationism replaced Christ as the core of the Christian faith?

Baptist preacher and blogger Internet Monk &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.internetmonk.com/articles/C/creation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ranted about the same thing&lt;/a&gt;.  In a later blog posting (which I can&#039;t find now that I want to cite it), he described YEC attitudes as part of a more generic &quot;Get on our bus or get run over.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can somebody tell me just how Young Earth Creationism replaced Christ as the core of the Christian faith?</p>
<p>Baptist preacher and blogger Internet Monk <a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/articles/C/creation.html" rel="nofollow">ranted about the same thing</a>.  In a later blog posting (which I can&#8217;t find now that I want to cite it), he described YEC attitudes as part of a more generic &#8220;Get on our bus or get run over.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mike burkhart</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/06/13/more-on-louisianas-doom/comment-page-1/#comment-687</link>
		<dc:creator>mike burkhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact i suppose that the textbook for this class will be the Bible and some fundamentist interpatation of it . Of course no one elese interpation will be taught or allowed in this class . For example I wont be able to say in this class the the 7 days of creation was only put in the book of Genisis to show the importanice of the sabith rest and is not to be taken literaly or that cahpters 1 and 2 of Genisis are two diferend acounts of the creation or that God dose not have our human concept of time . If any one teach any other interpation thy will be thrown in jail and we will have anthor scopes monkey trail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact i suppose that the textbook for this class will be the Bible and some fundamentist interpatation of it . Of course no one elese interpation will be taught or allowed in this class . For example I wont be able to say in this class the the 7 days of creation was only put in the book of Genisis to show the importanice of the sabith rest and is not to be taken literaly or that cahpters 1 and 2 of Genisis are two diferend acounts of the creation or that God dose not have our human concept of time . If any one teach any other interpation thy will be thrown in jail and we will have anthor scopes monkey trail</p>
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		<title>By: mike burkhart</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/06/13/more-on-louisianas-doom/comment-page-1/#comment-686</link>
		<dc:creator>mike burkhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ther is a place to teach the Bible and the book of Genesis and to discus God creatation of man it is called SUNDAY SCHOOL ( in my church catacism class because it is usely taught on saturday ) not science class . In science class you are ther to learn science not theology</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ther is a place to teach the Bible and the book of Genesis and to discus God creatation of man it is called SUNDAY SCHOOL ( in my church catacism class because it is usely taught on saturday ) not science class . In science class you are ther to learn science not theology</p>
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		<title>By: BudgetAstronomer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/06/13/more-on-louisianas-doom/comment-page-1/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>BudgetAstronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ZZMike:
Allow me to clarify the analogy you started. Gravity pulls stuff down. This is a fact. But how does gravity work? Are there gravity force particles? Is gravity the result of space curvature? We don&#039;t know for sure. These are theories of gravity - explanatory models that accurately describe the fact of falling objects (and orbiting galaxies). And surprisingly, there are significant connections between both models of gravity, which aditional models (such as loop quantum gravity) attempt to resolve.
Evolution - change over time - is a fact that is recorded in the fossil record. The &quot;theory of evolution&quot;, or natural selection, is a model of the process by which evolution occured. There are additional &quot;add on&quot; models, such as punctuated equilibrium and earth impact models, that say there is more going on than just gradual change. Again, these models all tie together, rather than being competing &quot;theories&quot; as the ID proponents would have you believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ZZMike:<br />
Allow me to clarify the analogy you started. Gravity pulls stuff down. This is a fact. But how does gravity work? Are there gravity force particles? Is gravity the result of space curvature? We don&#8217;t know for sure. These are theories of gravity &#8211; explanatory models that accurately describe the fact of falling objects (and orbiting galaxies). And surprisingly, there are significant connections between both models of gravity, which aditional models (such as loop quantum gravity) attempt to resolve.<br />
Evolution &#8211; change over time &#8211; is a fact that is recorded in the fossil record. The &#8220;theory of evolution&#8221;, or natural selection, is a model of the process by which evolution occured. There are additional &#8220;add on&#8221; models, such as punctuated equilibrium and earth impact models, that say there is more going on than just gradual change. Again, these models all tie together, rather than being competing &#8220;theories&#8221; as the ID proponents would have you believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Booker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Booker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone has ever driven around in Northern Louisiana, they would comprehend the mentality that would support and advocate the &quot;trojan horse&quot; legislation that is being foisted upon the LA education system.  Rural Louisiana ain&#039;t exactly the most cosmopolitan part of the nation.  I ain&#039;t going to indulge in snide comments about arrested evolution in that region because that would belie a non-comprehension of the real science.

Y&#039;all need to understand (as Steven J. Gould took great pains to clarify), that evolution is not the inevitable progression and improvement of a species.  Evolution at its base means only adaptation.  Survival of the fittest only applies to an organism that is &quot;fit&quot; to function in a particular environmental niche.  In no way does evolution science define one species, or ethnic group, as inherently superior to any other.

With this understanding, one should properly wince when watching the play/movie &quot;Inherit the Wind&quot;.  William Jennings Bryant was a very prominent fighter for social justice issues, and denounced the &quot;theory of evolution&quot; partly because of the mentality of &quot;social darwinism&quot; that justified the oppression and exploitation of people in the lesser social strati because of their alleged inferiority.  It is a shame that history remembers him as a buffoon because of the Scopes trial, and his stand against &quot;teaching evolution&quot;.

It is also a shame that the vestiges of the movement that opposed the imposition of the mis-interpretation of evolution theory, is now driven by the exploitation of people in the less advantaged social strata, such as rural Louisiana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone has ever driven around in Northern Louisiana, they would comprehend the mentality that would support and advocate the &#8220;trojan horse&#8221; legislation that is being foisted upon the LA education system.  Rural Louisiana ain&#8217;t exactly the most cosmopolitan part of the nation.  I ain&#8217;t going to indulge in snide comments about arrested evolution in that region because that would belie a non-comprehension of the real science.</p>
<p>Y&#8217;all need to understand (as Steven J. Gould took great pains to clarify), that evolution is not the inevitable progression and improvement of a species.  Evolution at its base means only adaptation.  Survival of the fittest only applies to an organism that is &#8220;fit&#8221; to function in a particular environmental niche.  In no way does evolution science define one species, or ethnic group, as inherently superior to any other.</p>
<p>With this understanding, one should properly wince when watching the play/movie &#8220;Inherit the Wind&#8221;.  William Jennings Bryant was a very prominent fighter for social justice issues, and denounced the &#8220;theory of evolution&#8221; partly because of the mentality of &#8220;social darwinism&#8221; that justified the oppression and exploitation of people in the lesser social strati because of their alleged inferiority.  It is a shame that history remembers him as a buffoon because of the Scopes trial, and his stand against &#8220;teaching evolution&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is also a shame that the vestiges of the movement that opposed the imposition of the mis-interpretation of evolution theory, is now driven by the exploitation of people in the less advantaged social strata, such as rural Louisiana.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob1207</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/06/13/more-on-louisianas-doom/comment-page-1/#comment-683</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob1207</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HidariMak, that&#039;s a great vid.  Thanks for the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HidariMak, that&#8217;s a great vid.  Thanks for the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Louisiana disparages Darwin &#124; Uncommon Descent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louisiana disparages Darwin &#124; Uncommon Descent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: HidariMak</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/06/13/more-on-louisianas-doom/comment-page-1/#comment-681</link>
		<dc:creator>HidariMak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To follow up on the real scientists who &quot;are not arguing over whether evolution is real or not&quot;, the NCSE wasn&#039;t the first group to question this.  Somebody posted a rather good breakdown of the DI scam on to YouTube.  And if this was brought up when the NCSE link was first posted, my apologies, but it bears repeating anyways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty1Bo6GmPqM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To follow up on the real scientists who &#8220;are not arguing over whether evolution is real or not&#8221;, the NCSE wasn&#8217;t the first group to question this.  Somebody posted a rather good breakdown of the DI scam on to YouTube.  And if this was brought up when the NCSE link was first posted, my apologies, but it bears repeating anyways.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty1Bo6GmPqM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty1Bo6GmPqM</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mechanic</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/06/13/more-on-louisianas-doom/comment-page-1/#comment-680</link>
		<dc:creator>Mechanic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When these &quot;Flintstonians&quot; want to &quot;teach the controversy&quot; in science classes humanists should respond by wanting to &quot;teach the controversy&quot; about Christianity in social science classes.  Maybe the contrast would get through the studied, thick craniums of those such as Bush and McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When these &#8220;Flintstonians&#8221; want to &#8220;teach the controversy&#8221; in science classes humanists should respond by wanting to &#8220;teach the controversy&#8221; about Christianity in social science classes.  Maybe the contrast would get through the studied, thick craniums of those such as Bush and McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob1207</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/06/13/more-on-louisianas-doom/comment-page-1/#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob1207</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Doc&#039;s post of 13 Jun 2008 at 11:28 am

Yes, there are &quot;God of the gaps&quot; implications to old Earth creationism (itself an umbrella term covering gap creationism, day-age creationism,  Intelligent Design, et cetera).  I will leave it to the old Earth creationists to sort that out, while kindly inviting them to change their views.

Many Christians (since they&#039;re the dominant religious group that we&#039;re dealing with) readily accepted Darwin&#039;s theory in the decades after it was published and gained scientific acceptance.  The prominent backlash against it didn&#039;t really start until the end of the 19th and start of the 20th century with the rise of Christian Fundamentalism (which is a thoroughly modern movement).

It seems to me that sometimes Christians who accept science are attacked for being bad Christians.  This concerns me, since I think all of us who support science should promote it together and put our religious beliefs--or the lack thereof--aside to do so.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s helpful when people like PZ Myers accuse those like Ken Miller of being wishy-washy Catholics.  How would PZ feel if Miller told him that he&#039;s not a good atheist since PZ believes in morality and atheism necessarily implies, in his (Miller&#039;s) view, hedonism?  That&#039;d be offensive, I think.  And, in any event, there&#039;s no shortage of good Catholic theologians (see John Haught, who testified for the plaintiffs in the Dover case) who don&#039;t have the slightest problem incorporating science into their world view, which already didn&#039;t take the Bible literally (Augustin rejected a literal reading of Genesis about 14 centuries before Darwin).

Conservative Christians sometimes attack scientists because they change their views with new evidence.  I find it unfortunately ironic that some people, while promoting science, attack Christians who change their beliefs with new evidence.

We&#039;re all in this together, right?  Yay science.  Down with the Louisiana creationism law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Doc&#8217;s post of 13 Jun 2008 at 11:28 am</p>
<p>Yes, there are &#8220;God of the gaps&#8221; implications to old Earth creationism (itself an umbrella term covering gap creationism, day-age creationism,  Intelligent Design, et cetera).  I will leave it to the old Earth creationists to sort that out, while kindly inviting them to change their views.</p>
<p>Many Christians (since they&#8217;re the dominant religious group that we&#8217;re dealing with) readily accepted Darwin&#8217;s theory in the decades after it was published and gained scientific acceptance.  The prominent backlash against it didn&#8217;t really start until the end of the 19th and start of the 20th century with the rise of Christian Fundamentalism (which is a thoroughly modern movement).</p>
<p>It seems to me that sometimes Christians who accept science are attacked for being bad Christians.  This concerns me, since I think all of us who support science should promote it together and put our religious beliefs&#8211;or the lack thereof&#8211;aside to do so.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s helpful when people like PZ Myers accuse those like Ken Miller of being wishy-washy Catholics.  How would PZ feel if Miller told him that he&#8217;s not a good atheist since PZ believes in morality and atheism necessarily implies, in his (Miller&#8217;s) view, hedonism?  That&#8217;d be offensive, I think.  And, in any event, there&#8217;s no shortage of good Catholic theologians (see John Haught, who testified for the plaintiffs in the Dover case) who don&#8217;t have the slightest problem incorporating science into their world view, which already didn&#8217;t take the Bible literally (Augustin rejected a literal reading of Genesis about 14 centuries before Darwin).</p>
<p>Conservative Christians sometimes attack scientists because they change their views with new evidence.  I find it unfortunately ironic that some people, while promoting science, attack Christians who change their beliefs with new evidence.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re all in this together, right?  Yay science.  Down with the Louisiana creationism law.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After watching the video and reading the bill, I don&#039;t really understand what it is this bill would accomplish.  The only real provision it has is to allow teachers to teach from approved supplemental materials in addition to the standard textbook.  But in the interview, they seemed to be saying that teachers can already do that.  So, regardless of what the motives for the bill might be, it doesn&#039;t seem like it actually does anything at all.  Can anyone explain this to me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After watching the video and reading the bill, I don&#8217;t really understand what it is this bill would accomplish.  The only real provision it has is to allow teachers to teach from approved supplemental materials in addition to the standard textbook.  But in the interview, they seemed to be saying that teachers can already do that.  So, regardless of what the motives for the bill might be, it doesn&#8217;t seem like it actually does anything at all.  Can anyone explain this to me?</p>
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		<title>By: Chester M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chester M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember getting printouts of recent science events in my Earth Science class, if they happened to relate to our topics. Things like recent earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, astronomy events, etc. Like Dr. Forrest said, there&#039;s nothing stopping teachers from doing this already and this bill isn&#039;t needed.

...if he&#039;s really so worried about using old textbooks in science classrooms, why not propose a bill to provide funds for new textbooks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember getting printouts of recent science events in my Earth Science class, if they happened to relate to our topics. Things like recent earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, astronomy events, etc. Like Dr. Forrest said, there&#8217;s nothing stopping teachers from doing this already and this bill isn&#8217;t needed.</p>
<p>&#8230;if he&#8217;s really so worried about using old textbooks in science classrooms, why not propose a bill to provide funds for new textbooks?</p>
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		<title>By: slang</title>
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		<dc:creator>slang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But still, at what point did people drop “theory” from “the theory of evolution”? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since the &quot;but you can&#039;t prove me WRONG!!!!&quot; squad keeps taking the word out of its scientific meaning, and lower it to their level, covering it with nonsensical drool.

&lt;blockquote&gt;(One problem is that the word “theory” has different meanings in common parlance and in science. In common parlance, it means “a pretty good guess”, which is not what we mean by it.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly. In science, there is no greater praise than to see your theory be supported by evidence and predictions and eventually be accepted by the scientific community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But still, at what point did people drop “theory” from “the theory of evolution”? </p></blockquote>
<p>Since the &#8220;but you can&#8217;t prove me WRONG!!!!&#8221; squad keeps taking the word out of its scientific meaning, and lower it to their level, covering it with nonsensical drool.</p>
<blockquote><p>(One problem is that the word “theory” has different meanings in common parlance and in science. In common parlance, it means “a pretty good guess”, which is not what we mean by it.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly. In science, there is no greater praise than to see your theory be supported by evidence and predictions and eventually be accepted by the scientific community.</p>
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		<title>By: ccpetersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>ccpetersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m working on exhibits for a science museum and one of the panels I just wrote begins with the sentence: &quot;Long before humans existed, dinosaurs dominated life on Earth.&quot;

Fortunately, the client isn&#039;t going to brook any Flintstonian nonsense...

As for the unfortunate shill who got shoved in front of the cameras to defend Louisiana&#039;s decision... I say, bring on more of &#039;em!  the more idiots.. er, I mean confused people they throw in front of the cameras, the more it shows us how silly these &quot;teachin&#039; what Gawd means us ta lern&quot; movements will look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m working on exhibits for a science museum and one of the panels I just wrote begins with the sentence: &#8220;Long before humans existed, dinosaurs dominated life on Earth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fortunately, the client isn&#8217;t going to brook any Flintstonian nonsense&#8230;</p>
<p>As for the unfortunate shill who got shoved in front of the cameras to defend Louisiana&#8217;s decision&#8230; I say, bring on more of &#8216;em!  the more idiots.. er, I mean confused people they throw in front of the cameras, the more it shows us how silly these &#8220;teachin&#8217; what Gawd means us ta lern&#8221; movements will look.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveStar</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, Oh.  I got a sinking feeling watching those two videos.  I think they might actually sneak this bill, and others like it, by.  I also think this situation needs more national attention.  I wouldn&#039;t know anything about it were it not for BA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, Oh.  I got a sinking feeling watching those two videos.  I think they might actually sneak this bill, and others like it, by.  I also think this situation needs more national attention.  I wouldn&#8217;t know anything about it were it not for BA.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Meils</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Meils</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think that the &quot;Flying Spaghetti Monster&quot; needs to be taught in LA too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think that the &#8220;Flying Spaghetti Monster&#8221; needs to be taught in LA too!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil (et al)...

It&#039;s funny you post this, as in today&#039;s paper (here in Michigan) the sponsors of the ID bill here are making the &lt;b&gt;same exact talking points&lt;/b&gt; that Sen Nevers is making.

This just proves this is an organized attack by the creationists to get their agenda passed by the states - especially if there is going to be a radical shift in government thinking after the November elections.</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s funny you post this, as in today&#8217;s paper (here in Michigan) the sponsors of the ID bill here are making the <b>same exact talking points</b> that Sen Nevers is making.</p>
<p>This just proves this is an organized attack by the creationists to get their agenda passed by the states &#8211; especially if there is going to be a radical shift in government thinking after the November elections.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I wrong to think that the response to &quot;It&#039;s only a theory&quot; should be pointing out that the &quot;theory&quot; is our understanding of something that does happen? Gravity is a fact, the theory of gravity is our understanding of how it works. Evolution is a fact, the &quot;theory&quot; is our understanding of it. In both cases even if our understanding, or &quot;theory&quot;, is wrong the effect is still real.

I just don&#039;t get why &quot;It&#039;s a theory&quot; is still being used as an argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I wrong to think that the response to &#8220;It&#8217;s only a theory&#8221; should be pointing out that the &#8220;theory&#8221; is our understanding of something that does happen? Gravity is a fact, the theory of gravity is our understanding of how it works. Evolution is a fact, the &#8220;theory&#8221; is our understanding of it. In both cases even if our understanding, or &#8220;theory&#8221;, is wrong the effect is still real.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t get why &#8220;It&#8217;s a theory&#8221; is still being used as an argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny stuff.  The young lady came across as an silly, shrill shill and the Senator was wishing the phone and tv had never been invented.  Classic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny stuff.  The young lady came across as an silly, shrill shill and the Senator was wishing the phone and tv had never been invented.  Classic.</p>
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		<title>By: Vagueofgodalming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vagueofgodalming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dominique Magee may be sincere in the sense that she believes she is taking a stand for education, but I thought it was pretty clear that she&#039;d been coached.

For example, she made it sound as if teachers were not teaching anything at all about origins at first - it only came clear later that her beef is that they teach the wrong side, from her point of view.

And she made heavy use of the transparent talking point that evolution is &#039;outdated&#039;, which Nevers had been doing first.

It isn&#039;t just her academic development that&#039;s being ruined, it&#039;s her honesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dominique Magee may be sincere in the sense that she believes she is taking a stand for education, but I thought it was pretty clear that she&#8217;d been coached.</p>
<p>For example, she made it sound as if teachers were not teaching anything at all about origins at first &#8211; it only came clear later that her beef is that they teach the wrong side, from her point of view.</p>
<p>And she made heavy use of the transparent talking point that evolution is &#8216;outdated&#8217;, which Nevers had been doing first.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t just her academic development that&#8217;s being ruined, it&#8217;s her honesty.</p>
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		<title>By: Some more on &#8220;academic freedom&#8221; in Louisiana &#171; Allusions of Grandeur</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/06/13/more-on-louisianas-doom/comment-page-1/#comment-644</link>
		<dc:creator>Some more on &#8220;academic freedom&#8221; in Louisiana &#171; Allusions of Grandeur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more on &#8220;academic freedom&#8221; in&#160;Louisiana  Bad Astronomy has an excellent post on the fiasco in Louisiana. It centers around a local news segment on SB 733, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] more on &#8220;academic freedom&#8221; in&nbsp;Louisiana  Bad Astronomy has an excellent post on the fiasco in Louisiana. It centers around a local news segment on SB 733, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PaulW</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had no problems viewing this with IE6, strange.</description>
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		<title>By: IBY</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/06/13/more-on-louisianas-doom/comment-page-1/#comment-668</link>
		<dc:creator>IBY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Barsby

Nah, creationists are just a branch that separated that never progressed :) In all seriousness, though, some of them are intelligent, its just that they are misguided and become cranks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Barsby</p>
<p>Nah, creationists are just a branch that separated that never progressed <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  In all seriousness, though, some of them are intelligent, its just that they are misguided and become cranks.</p>
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		<title>By: James Barsby</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/06/13/more-on-louisianas-doom/comment-page-1/#comment-667</link>
		<dc:creator>James Barsby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am beginning to doubt evolutionary theory…

I mean, going from apes to creationists… wouldn’t that be a backwards step in terms of intelligence.</description>
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<p>I mean, going from apes to creationists… wouldn’t that be a backwards step in terms of intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: IBY</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/06/13/more-on-louisianas-doom/comment-page-1/#comment-666</link>
		<dc:creator>IBY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate the way the TV interview was carried out, and will always be carried out (sarcasm) what a surprise (/sarcasm). It seemed like they were giving more time to the proponents of the creation bill, while they didn&#039;t give Ms. Forrest enough time to argue Magee. Actually, there wasn&#039;t even enough time, which is a problem in TV news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate the way the TV interview was carried out, and will always be carried out (sarcasm) what a surprise (/sarcasm). It seemed like they were giving more time to the proponents of the creation bill, while they didn&#8217;t give Ms. Forrest enough time to argue Magee. Actually, there wasn&#8217;t even enough time, which is a problem in TV news.</p>
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