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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: hector ng</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/02/i-agree-with-astrologers/comment-page-2/#comment-129792</link>
		<dc:creator>hector ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking good for Obama.</description>
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		<title>By: Love Horoscopes Truth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/02/i-agree-with-astrologers/comment-page-2/#comment-96970</link>
		<dc:creator>Love Horoscopes Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Love Horoscopes Truth&lt;/strong&gt;

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<p>It has since been implemented in most other blogging tools. This enables authors to keep track of who is linking to, or referring</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz Parsec</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/02/i-agree-with-astrologers/comment-page-1/#comment-96090</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz Parsec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm, Jason, when you have an air force with stealth bombers, you don&#039;t need to fly airplanes into buildings to destroy them.   I do agree with you mostly, though, about fundamentalists in general.  The vast majority (Christian, Moslem, or anything else) are probably non-violent.   But put in a tight spot, they might rationalize *supporting* violence even if they won&#039;t practice it themselves.  Also, I wonder if the fundamentalism actually motivates the violence/terrorism, or is just used to help the terrorists rationalize it.  The KKK, burning and bombing black churches in the 50&#039;s and 60&#039;s, consisted mostly of Christian fundamentalists, but I don&#039;t know it they used their fundamentalism to justify their actions.  On the other hand, their modern successors certainly do.  Check the SPLC for details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, Jason, when you have an air force with stealth bombers, you don&#8217;t need to fly airplanes into buildings to destroy them.   I do agree with you mostly, though, about fundamentalists in general.  The vast majority (Christian, Moslem, or anything else) are probably non-violent.   But put in a tight spot, they might rationalize *supporting* violence even if they won&#8217;t practice it themselves.  Also, I wonder if the fundamentalism actually motivates the violence/terrorism, or is just used to help the terrorists rationalize it.  The KKK, burning and bombing black churches in the 50&#8242;s and 60&#8242;s, consisted mostly of Christian fundamentalists, but I don&#8217;t know it they used their fundamentalism to justify their actions.  On the other hand, their modern successors certainly do.  Check the SPLC for details.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/02/i-agree-with-astrologers/comment-page-1/#comment-96042</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@KevinTheGuesser
. . . and the Christian Jhihad led by King George . . .

Not to sound like I&#039;m defending Christian fundamentalists  (or GWB) who want to insert religious beliefs/indoctrination into schools, gov&#039;t, etc . . . but I don&#039;t see a lot of them flying planes into buildings, strapping bombs to children or using other tactics practiced by actual jihadists.

I&#039;m not sure who you are really trying to insult: Christian fundlmentalists -- almost none of whom use or advocate violence as a means to further their cause -- or actual jihadists -- who probably look at Christian fundamentalists as wimps for their relative nonviolence.

I think fundamentalists of all ilk give us enough fodder without painting all of them as terrorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KevinTheGuesser<br />
. . . and the Christian Jhihad led by King George . . .</p>
<p>Not to sound like I&#8217;m defending Christian fundamentalists  (or GWB) who want to insert religious beliefs/indoctrination into schools, gov&#8217;t, etc . . . but I don&#8217;t see a lot of them flying planes into buildings, strapping bombs to children or using other tactics practiced by actual jihadists.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure who you are really trying to insult: Christian fundlmentalists &#8212; almost none of whom use or advocate violence as a means to further their cause &#8212; or actual jihadists &#8212; who probably look at Christian fundamentalists as wimps for their relative nonviolence.</p>
<p>I think fundamentalists of all ilk give us enough fodder without painting all of them as terrorists.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinTheGuesser</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/02/i-agree-with-astrologers/comment-page-1/#comment-96026</link>
		<dc:creator>KevinTheGuesser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8 years of Republican rule, the Republican war on science, and the Christian Jhihad led by King George ... and I didn&#039;t yet mention the deficit that&#039;s grown by leaps and bounds.

Obama being likened to Kennedy, a Democrat, and the only one to run against McCain.  Youth versus an old dude.  A new way versus &quot;4 more years&quot;.  Religous extremism out the window.

Religous nuts alienated by BOTH candidates.  Republicans P!$$ed at the sorry state of &quot;conservatism&quot;.  A minority turnout like none other.

Even a bad psychic ought to be able to call this one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8 years of Republican rule, the Republican war on science, and the Christian Jhihad led by King George &#8230; and I didn&#8217;t yet mention the deficit that&#8217;s grown by leaps and bounds.</p>
<p>Obama being likened to Kennedy, a Democrat, and the only one to run against McCain.  Youth versus an old dude.  A new way versus &#8220;4 more years&#8221;.  Religous extremism out the window.</p>
<p>Religous nuts alienated by BOTH candidates.  Republicans P!$$ed at the sorry state of &#8220;conservatism&#8221;.  A minority turnout like none other.</p>
<p>Even a bad psychic ought to be able to call this one!</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I mean, if someone found a cheese sandwich with Jesus and Obama on it, the publicity for that might be interesting too.&lt;/i&gt;

No thanks. There&#039;s enough messianic talk surrounding Obama already. 

I&#039;m sure he&#039;s a nice guy, but left leaners like him forget that when they draw the &quot;wealthy&quot; line, they ignore the fact that the cost of living can vary by a order of magnitude even within the same state. &quot;Wealthy&quot; in Ohio is not wealthy in Southern California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I mean, if someone found a cheese sandwich with Jesus and Obama on it, the publicity for that might be interesting too.</i></p>
<p>No thanks. There&#8217;s enough messianic talk surrounding Obama already. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s a nice guy, but left leaners like him forget that when they draw the &#8220;wealthy&#8221; line, they ignore the fact that the cost of living can vary by a order of magnitude even within the same state. &#8220;Wealthy&#8221; in Ohio is not wealthy in Southern California.</p>
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		<title>By: ELB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/02/i-agree-with-astrologers/comment-page-1/#comment-95800</link>
		<dc:creator>ELB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, well, the astrologers also said that Bush II would be a single term president and look where that got us. . . 

I hope Obama wins, but if he does I&#039;m sure it will have absolutely nothing to do with Uranus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, well, the astrologers also said that Bush II would be a single term president and look where that got us. . . </p>
<p>I hope Obama wins, but if he does I&#8217;m sure it will have absolutely nothing to do with Uranus.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/02/i-agree-with-astrologers/comment-page-1/#comment-95785</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly enough, studies have shown psychics to be less &quot;accurate&quot; than a mere coin toss...

Robert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough, studies have shown psychics to be less &#8220;accurate&#8221; than a mere coin toss&#8230;</p>
<p>Robert</p>
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		<title>By: moopet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/02/i-agree-with-astrologers/comment-page-1/#comment-95752</link>
		<dc:creator>moopet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if any people&#039;s votes  are influenced by this? Another media article saying, &quot;X is going to win&quot; might not tip people&#039;s choices, but if it&#039;s based on something they believe in, they might just go with the flow. I mean, if someone found a cheese sandwich with Jesus and Obama on it, the publicity for that might be interesting too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if any people&#8217;s votes  are influenced by this? Another media article saying, &#8220;X is going to win&#8221; might not tip people&#8217;s choices, but if it&#8217;s based on something they believe in, they might just go with the flow. I mean, if someone found a cheese sandwich with Jesus and Obama on it, the publicity for that might be interesting too.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Desperation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet Desperation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As an aside, I wasn’t aware that the rest of the western world was so enlightened that the U.S. was the only place where black people were underrepresented in high office, but I digress)&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s the usual sport of the frothing ideologues claiming Americans are so foul and evil, meanwhile everyone else in the world is just as bad (or worse) in their own ways. Meanwhile, racial and ethnic slaughter and cleansing go on all over the world. It&#039;s *human* that basically suck, not any particular group. Anything else is that magic combination of politics and mental illness that seems to be sweeping the planet more and more these days.

If &quot;holier than thou&quot; attitudes could be converted to energy, Europe could launch their whole continent into orbit. The hypocrisy is neck deep over there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As an aside, I wasn’t aware that the rest of the western world was so enlightened that the U.S. was the only place where black people were underrepresented in high office, but I digress)</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s the usual sport of the frothing ideologues claiming Americans are so foul and evil, meanwhile everyone else in the world is just as bad (or worse) in their own ways. Meanwhile, racial and ethnic slaughter and cleansing go on all over the world. It&#8217;s *human* that basically suck, not any particular group. Anything else is that magic combination of politics and mental illness that seems to be sweeping the planet more and more these days.</p>
<p>If &#8220;holier than thou&#8221; attitudes could be converted to energy, Europe could launch their whole continent into orbit. The hypocrisy is neck deep over there.</p>
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		<title>By: SSJPabs</title>
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		<dc:creator>SSJPabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Relax Phil, if anything the astrologers are actually better at predicting the future than political pundits, believe me.</description>
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		<title>By: quasidog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/02/i-agree-with-astrologers/comment-page-1/#comment-95732</link>
		<dc:creator>quasidog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Australia and my 7 year old nephew can tell Obama is going to win.</description>
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		<title>By: Tometheus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/02/i-agree-with-astrologers/comment-page-1/#comment-95712</link>
		<dc:creator>Tometheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m shocked!  SHOCKED at you Phil!  How dare you compare Uranus to that bloated hot-air-filled politician that’s tipped way over to the right, making him um.. spin.. um.. weirdly..  

What was I saying?  

Oh right... Uranus is the &lt;i&gt;interesting&lt;/i&gt; planet!  You Uranus-haters make me sick!  :D

..and congrats on the new digs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m shocked!  SHOCKED at you Phil!  How dare you compare Uranus to that bloated hot-air-filled politician that’s tipped way over to the right, making him um.. spin.. um.. weirdly..  </p>
<p>What was I saying?  </p>
<p>Oh right&#8230; Uranus is the <i>interesting</i> planet!  You Uranus-haters make me sick!  <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>..and congrats on the new digs.</p>
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		<title>By: Nemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, I&#039;ve been very concerned with several of the recent ballyhooed &quot;movements to the right&quot; by Obama -- until I heard him explain them, at which point I thought, &quot;Oh, is that all?&quot;. They seem to have been grossly mischaracterized in the MSM. Re: the faith-based initiative specifically, you can read more discussion of it here:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/07/this_is_depressing_barack_obama_promises.php

and here:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/obama_and_faithbased_initiativ.php

Now, would I prefer a candidate who would not only abolish the office of faith-based initiatives, but also try to revoke churches&#039; tax exemption? Absolutely. But I know I&#039;m not going to get that; so, I&#039;ll settle for someone that I &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; will at least curtail the wingnut welfare and redirect the program towards genuine charity. Or I could vote for Nader again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, I&#8217;ve been very concerned with several of the recent ballyhooed &#8220;movements to the right&#8221; by Obama &#8212; until I heard him explain them, at which point I thought, &#8220;Oh, is that all?&#8221;. They seem to have been grossly mischaracterized in the MSM. Re: the faith-based initiative specifically, you can read more discussion of it here:</p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/07/this_is_depressing_barack_obama_promises.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/07/this_is_depressing_barack_obama_promises.php</a></p>
<p>and here:</p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/obama_and_faithbased_initiativ.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/obama_and_faithbased_initiativ.php</a></p>
<p>Now, would I prefer a candidate who would not only abolish the office of faith-based initiatives, but also try to revoke churches&#8217; tax exemption? Absolutely. But I know I&#8217;m not going to get that; so, I&#8217;ll settle for someone that I <i>think</i> will at least curtail the wingnut welfare and redirect the program towards genuine charity. Or I could vote for Nader again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hagerty</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/02/i-agree-with-astrologers/comment-page-1/#comment-95696</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Hagerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ach! That was supposed to be &quot;didn&#039;t do the trick for me&quot; in the last post.

- Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ach! That was supposed to be &#8220;didn&#8217;t do the trick for me&#8221; in the last post.</p>
<p>- Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hagerty</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/02/i-agree-with-astrologers/comment-page-1/#comment-95695</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Hagerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sure hope Obama wins. Not that I like his politics, in fact just the opposite. I think he is far too naive, especially on international matters. But if he loses we&#039;re going to have another four years of Democrats and supporters bitching and moaning about how the Republicans &quot;stole&quot; the election because Obama was &quot;supposed&quot; to win. I really don&#039;t want to go through that again.

This election is the Democrats to lose. With GWB&#039;s approval rating where it&#039;s been the past few years, you&#039;d think all they&#039;d need is a candidate with a pulse to beat anyone who even mildly aligns himself with the current administration. However the protracted Barrack-Hillary war revealed far more than I think either candidate wanted to that early. Their little love fest last week to show &quot;unity&quot; did do the trick for me. Outside of being completely staged and orchestrated (well, what isn&#039;t in politics?), it showed the hypocrisy of political campaigns in general. &quot;Hey, all that mud we were slinging at each other the past year and a half? We didn&#039;t really mean it. This person&#039;s really all right. It&#039;s &#039;The Other Guy&#039; who&#039;s the bad one.&quot;

- Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure hope Obama wins. Not that I like his politics, in fact just the opposite. I think he is far too naive, especially on international matters. But if he loses we&#8217;re going to have another four years of Democrats and supporters bitching and moaning about how the Republicans &#8220;stole&#8221; the election because Obama was &#8220;supposed&#8221; to win. I really don&#8217;t want to go through that again.</p>
<p>This election is the Democrats to lose. With GWB&#8217;s approval rating where it&#8217;s been the past few years, you&#8217;d think all they&#8217;d need is a candidate with a pulse to beat anyone who even mildly aligns himself with the current administration. However the protracted Barrack-Hillary war revealed far more than I think either candidate wanted to that early. Their little love fest last week to show &#8220;unity&#8221; did do the trick for me. Outside of being completely staged and orchestrated (well, what isn&#8217;t in politics?), it showed the hypocrisy of political campaigns in general. &#8220;Hey, all that mud we were slinging at each other the past year and a half? We didn&#8217;t really mean it. This person&#8217;s really all right. It&#8217;s &#8216;The Other Guy&#8217; who&#8217;s the bad one.&#8221;</p>
<p>- Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be surprised how accurate they can appear.  I recall in 1992 psychic Linda Georgian early in the race first predicted Bush (&quot;then added anybody but Clinton&quot;) would win then later predicted Clinton would win.  Then of course she would brag about her correct prediction, though she bet on both sides!  The problem is people have short memories, and don&#039;t pay them much attention, nor do they demand that the skeptical perspective be presented.  I agree with Phil, they should have delved into their own past predictions, they can still make amends--day after election day print results if they were wrong.  They could ask the psychics to predict the contest in each of the 50 states, make it a pop quiz so they don&#039;t know it is coming (oh but give them a map, I mean geography doesn&#039;t necessarily have to be the forte&#039; of the psychic)
I agree that journalists should be more responsible about printing an article about psychics.  Yes they typically are for amusement but they still have a responsibility.  For example it is fairly typical after a poll to have a bit of small print about whether it was a scientific poll and also the margin of error.  If such meticulous adherence to the truth and the whole truth is needed for a poll, then psychics certainly deserve a bit of the skeptical eye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be surprised how accurate they can appear.  I recall in 1992 psychic Linda Georgian early in the race first predicted Bush (&#8220;then added anybody but Clinton&#8221;) would win then later predicted Clinton would win.  Then of course she would brag about her correct prediction, though she bet on both sides!  The problem is people have short memories, and don&#8217;t pay them much attention, nor do they demand that the skeptical perspective be presented.  I agree with Phil, they should have delved into their own past predictions, they can still make amends&#8211;day after election day print results if they were wrong.  They could ask the psychics to predict the contest in each of the 50 states, make it a pop quiz so they don&#8217;t know it is coming (oh but give them a map, I mean geography doesn&#8217;t necessarily have to be the forte&#8217; of the psychic)<br />
I agree that journalists should be more responsible about printing an article about psychics.  Yes they typically are for amusement but they still have a responsibility.  For example it is fairly typical after a poll to have a bit of small print about whether it was a scientific poll and also the margin of error.  If such meticulous adherence to the truth and the whole truth is needed for a poll, then psychics certainly deserve a bit of the skeptical eye.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@aleph1=c
I think you’ve misinterpreted Hoonser’s statement. It didn’t say if you oppose Obama, then you are racist. Unfortunately, there are still enough racists around to make it difficult for Obama to win.

First off, I totally agree that racism (as well as a host of other evil &quot;isms&quot;) are alive and well in the U.S. I don&#039;t believe he was calling any specific person a racist. But, I believe, implied in his statement, is the assertion that Obama is unelectable because he is black.

(As an aside, I wasn&#039;t aware that the rest of the western world was so enlightened that the U.S. was the only place where black people were underrepresented in high office, but I digress)

Certainly, his promise to spend public money on &quot;faith-based initiatives&quot; a la GWB didn&#039;t help him woo my vote. I wonder why I seem to be the only person on this blog bothered by that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@aleph1=c<br />
I think you’ve misinterpreted Hoonser’s statement. It didn’t say if you oppose Obama, then you are racist. Unfortunately, there are still enough racists around to make it difficult for Obama to win.</p>
<p>First off, I totally agree that racism (as well as a host of other evil &#8220;isms&#8221;) are alive and well in the U.S. I don&#8217;t believe he was calling any specific person a racist. But, I believe, implied in his statement, is the assertion that Obama is unelectable because he is black.</p>
<p>(As an aside, I wasn&#8217;t aware that the rest of the western world was so enlightened that the U.S. was the only place where black people were underrepresented in high office, but I digress)</p>
<p>Certainly, his promise to spend public money on &#8220;faith-based initiatives&#8221; a la GWB didn&#8217;t help him woo my vote. I wonder why I seem to be the only person on this blog bothered by that?</p>
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		<title>By: aleph1=c</title>
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		<dc:creator>aleph1=c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason

I think you&#039;ve misinterpreted Hoonser&#039;s statement. It didn&#039;t say if you oppose Obama, then you are racist. Unfortunately, there are still enough racists around to make it difficult for Obama to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve misinterpreted Hoonser&#8217;s statement. It didn&#8217;t say if you oppose Obama, then you are racist. Unfortunately, there are still enough racists around to make it difficult for Obama to win.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Ota</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Ota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that the astrologer has a 50% chance of being correct. So when &#039;bama gets elected, boneheads will try to vindicate the astrologer....

Sheesh...as Harlan Ellison has said, the two most common things in the Universe are Hydrogen and Stupidity....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that the astrologer has a 50% chance of being correct. So when &#8216;bama gets elected, boneheads will try to vindicate the astrologer&#8230;.</p>
<p>Sheesh&#8230;as Harlan Ellison has said, the two most common things in the Universe are Hydrogen and Stupidity&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I bet it’s around 50% for most of them.&quot;

It&#039;s worth pointing out that if an astrologer has a 50/50 chance of getting each election right, after 10 elections, one in 1024 astrologers (on average) will have gotten all 10 right.  So it&#039;s actually *expected* that *someone* nails them all.

This is why I put little credence in bogus statistics like &quot;As goes X, so goes the nation&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I bet it’s around 50% for most of them.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth pointing out that if an astrologer has a 50/50 chance of getting each election right, after 10 elections, one in 1024 astrologers (on average) will have gotten all 10 right.  So it&#8217;s actually *expected* that *someone* nails them all.</p>
<p>This is why I put little credence in bogus statistics like &#8220;As goes X, so goes the nation&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: BillinDetroit</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillinDetroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Picking one to win would mean more if either were likely to make the lot of the average Joe any better.  I predict &#039;different clown, same circus&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Picking one to win would mean more if either were likely to make the lot of the average Joe any better.  I predict &#8216;different clown, same circus&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Celtic_Evolution</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celtic_Evolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jeffersonian

&lt;i&gt;You can change it back for the bible belt anyway.&lt;/i&gt;

THAT is certainly true.  An interesting poll that backs that statement is here:

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/exit-polls/race-ethnicity.html

White voters were polled from every state, indicating what percentage voted for Obama.  Now, understanding Jason&#039;s point that it may be irresponsible to assign not voting for Obama purely to racism, the poll is very telling in that the following states had the lowest support for Obama:

Arkansas - 16%
Kentucky - 22%
Florida - 23%
S. Carolina - 24%
Alabama - 25%
Tennessee - 26%
West Virginia - 28%
Oklahoma - 29%

These were the only states with less than 30% of white voters supporting Obama... make of it what you will.

The overall numbers still support Obama at this point in the upcoming election, so I&#039;d still stand by my original point... but you are right about the Bible belt, Jeffersonian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jeffersonian</p>
<p><i>You can change it back for the bible belt anyway.</i></p>
<p>THAT is certainly true.  An interesting poll that backs that statement is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/exit-polls/race-ethnicity.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/exit-polls/race-ethnicity.html</a></p>
<p>White voters were polled from every state, indicating what percentage voted for Obama.  Now, understanding Jason&#8217;s point that it may be irresponsible to assign not voting for Obama purely to racism, the poll is very telling in that the following states had the lowest support for Obama:</p>
<p>Arkansas &#8211; 16%<br />
Kentucky &#8211; 22%<br />
Florida &#8211; 23%<br />
S. Carolina &#8211; 24%<br />
Alabama &#8211; 25%<br />
Tennessee &#8211; 26%<br />
West Virginia &#8211; 28%<br />
Oklahoma &#8211; 29%</p>
<p>These were the only states with less than 30% of white voters supporting Obama&#8230; make of it what you will.</p>
<p>The overall numbers still support Obama at this point in the upcoming election, so I&#8217;d still stand by my original point&#8230; but you are right about the Bible belt, Jeffersonian.</p>
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		<title>By: Protesilaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Protesilaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeffersonian
Unless you’re Al Gore.

Actually I would say everyone making a prediction in 2000 can claim they were right.  If they said Bush, he was elected, if they said Gore, he got the popular vote.  It was a win-win for anyone making a prediction…except the pundits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeffersonian<br />
Unless you’re Al Gore.</p>
<p>Actually I would say everyone making a prediction in 2000 can claim they were right.  If they said Bush, he was elected, if they said Gore, he got the popular vote.  It was a win-win for anyone making a prediction…except the pundits.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffersonian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/02/i-agree-with-astrologers/comment-page-1/#comment-95621</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffersonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Flooey Says:
&quot;Actually, I’d imagine their track records are more than 50%, at least over many elections, since the winner of an election is, by definition, the more popular guy. &quot;
Unless you&#039;re Al Gore.

@Celtic_Evolution Says:
&quot;I think Americans are by and large still too racist to elect a black man.&quot;
You can change it back for the bible belt anyway.

@Tyler Durden Says: 
&quot;we’re more or less over our sexist tendencies but have a long way left to go on our bigotry.&quot;
True. Even though, historically, the reverse was true in some ways (with black men having the right to vote before women, etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Flooey Says:<br />
&#8220;Actually, I’d imagine their track records are more than 50%, at least over many elections, since the winner of an election is, by definition, the more popular guy. &#8221;<br />
Unless you&#8217;re Al Gore.</p>
<p>@Celtic_Evolution Says:<br />
&#8220;I think Americans are by and large still too racist to elect a black man.&#8221;<br />
You can change it back for the bible belt anyway.</p>
<p>@Tyler Durden Says:<br />
&#8220;we’re more or less over our sexist tendencies but have a long way left to go on our bigotry.&#8221;<br />
True. Even though, historically, the reverse was true in some ways (with black men having the right to vote before women, etc.).</p>
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