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	<title>Comments on: Socialists not fans of private space</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/30/socialists-not-fans-of-private-space/comment-page-3/#comment-107595</link>
		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry.  Must&#039;ve woke up on a rock this morning.  I&#039;ll feed no more trolls today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry.  Must&#8217;ve woke up on a rock this morning.  I&#8217;ll feed no more trolls today!</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/30/socialists-not-fans-of-private-space/comment-page-3/#comment-107593</link>
		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ijon Tichy: &lt;em&gt;That’s because you’re blind or illiterate or exceedingly anal.&lt;/em&gt;

Or it might mean that I saw the point of Phil&#039;s post, and all you saw was something to be upset about and a reason to insult people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ijon Tichy: <em>That’s because you’re blind or illiterate or exceedingly anal.</em></p>
<p>Or it might mean that I saw the point of Phil&#8217;s post, and all you saw was something to be upset about and a reason to insult people.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Plait</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/30/socialists-not-fans-of-private-space/comment-page-3/#comment-107589</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Plait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ArgusEyes, nice try, but Bzzzzt. I didn&#039;t say I didn&#039;t like socialism, I said I didn&#039;t like what that paper had to say. I suppose the title could be interpreted to make people think I meant all socialism, but you can&#039;t infer that from the article. 

Some socialism is a good thing, like health care and social security. Since McCain collects his SS check, do you want to call him a socialist too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ArgusEyes, nice try, but Bzzzzt. I didn&#8217;t say I didn&#8217;t like socialism, I said I didn&#8217;t like what that paper had to say. I suppose the title could be interpreted to make people think I meant all socialism, but you can&#8217;t infer that from the article. </p>
<p>Some socialism is a good thing, like health care and social security. Since McCain collects his SS check, do you want to call him a socialist too?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarcastro</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/30/socialists-not-fans-of-private-space/comment-page-3/#comment-107586</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarcastro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Everything that I have done or achieved I have done it on my own without the help of others. Part of the reason that I have been so motivated to do the things that I have done is because I am compelled with the possibility of having a sizable monetary reward by the time I retire.&lt;/i&gt;

Since you are utterly self-reliant I take it you will not be calling the police when I come to your home to kill you and take your hard earned money.

And how the hell did you post this without using the ARPA-funded internet!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Everything that I have done or achieved I have done it on my own without the help of others. Part of the reason that I have been so motivated to do the things that I have done is because I am compelled with the possibility of having a sizable monetary reward by the time I retire.</i></p>
<p>Since you are utterly self-reliant I take it you will not be calling the police when I come to your home to kill you and take your hard earned money.</p>
<p>And how the hell did you post this without using the ARPA-funded internet!?</p>
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		<title>By: Akheloios</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akheloios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criticising an entire group of people just because of their fringe lunatic elements? It&#039;s a bit bellow you Phil, most of Europe is Socialist to one extent or the other, and we&#039;re very happy thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criticising an entire group of people just because of their fringe lunatic elements? It&#8217;s a bit bellow you Phil, most of Europe is Socialist to one extent or the other, and we&#8217;re very happy thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/07/30/socialists-not-fans-of-private-space/comment-page-3/#comment-107481</link>
		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Argh! Flippin&#039; typos! Goish-durrn dang-nabbed blinking bustard of a 
machine! 

Why can&#039;t we edit? Not meaning to sound ungrateful here (esp. having just pointed out the ingratitude of others against NASA) but sheesh! 

Oh &amp; Phil, your silly &#039;no swearing&#039; policy has me sounding very much like Ned Flanders and I&#039;m not like that - very frustrating. 

... But I love your blog all the same! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argh! Flippin&#8217; typos! Goish-durrn dang-nabbed blinking bustard of a<br />
machine! </p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t we edit? Not meaning to sound ungrateful here (esp. having just pointed out the ingratitude of others against NASA) but sheesh! </p>
<p>Oh &#038; Phil, your silly &#8216;no swearing&#8217; policy has me sounding very much like Ned Flanders and I&#8217;m not like that &#8211; very frustrating. </p>
<p>&#8230; But I love your blog all the same! <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: StevoR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevoR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm .. Socialists  criticising the super-rich .. What a surprise - NOT! *Yawn* roll eyes *

Socialism is NOT what most Americans (USA-ites for the geographical purists) think it is. 

It ain&#039;t Leninism, nor Communism any more than neo-conservatives are neo-nazis. 

The happiest, most cosmopolitan and enlightened societies and nations in the world - Iceland, Denmark, Holland, Sweden, Ireland*, - tend to have good mix of socialist and capaitalist features. These incl. good governence -accountable, democratic leadership and, yes, are also high-taxing and high social security and welfare providing. 

Free market capitalism that is unfettered gets you in a &quot;Grapes of Wrath&quot;
type nightmare. (Read some Steinbeck folks  - he was one US author and socialist that got things spot on.)

As for private vs public space travel - judge them by their results
NASA had men inspace inthe 1950&#039;s,the Soviet&#039;s had thefirstman inspace, first woman in space and many successful missions back inthe 50&#039;s and still
today. NASA got 12 people to the Moon. Built and flew the shuttle withgretasucccesses and theoddd catastrophic failure. 

Public space agencies (on behalf of all the people for everyone&#039;s benefit)
have launched and run all the space-probes to date from Magellan and Viking to Voyager and have sent four spacecraft beyond our solar system past the
orbit of Pluto!

Private space agencies (for the personal profit of a few superwealthy elitists) have  ... hmmm .. looks hard.. gets out microscope .. Ah yes, one or two sub-orbital flights with a couple of people pout in zero gee for a
couple of minutes. So today they are where NASA was in the late 1950&#039;s -60&#039;s ..

Those results speak for themselves. And much as I&#039;d cheer Branson, Rutan &amp;co on they say that Public is almost literally lightyears (or okay 100&#039;s of AU at least!) ahead of private as far as space exploration goes. ;-)

Lets not knock NASA too hard or be too ungrateful about them considering the
magnitude of what they&#039;ve achieved folks.

 rivate is still

* For the record I&#039;m an Aussie. Iceland topped the world according tohappiness and standard ofliving ina recent Un poll with theothers pretty much globally recognised for having good standards of living and being generally positive places tolive. The USA -soad tosay is along, long way behind them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm .. Socialists  criticising the super-rich .. What a surprise &#8211; NOT! *Yawn* roll eyes *</p>
<p>Socialism is NOT what most Americans (USA-ites for the geographical purists) think it is. </p>
<p>It ain&#8217;t Leninism, nor Communism any more than neo-conservatives are neo-nazis. </p>
<p>The happiest, most cosmopolitan and enlightened societies and nations in the world &#8211; Iceland, Denmark, Holland, Sweden, Ireland*, &#8211; tend to have good mix of socialist and capaitalist features. These incl. good governence -accountable, democratic leadership and, yes, are also high-taxing and high social security and welfare providing. </p>
<p>Free market capitalism that is unfettered gets you in a &#8220;Grapes of Wrath&#8221;<br />
type nightmare. (Read some Steinbeck folks  &#8211; he was one US author and socialist that got things spot on.)</p>
<p>As for private vs public space travel &#8211; judge them by their results<br />
NASA had men inspace inthe 1950&#8217;s,the Soviet&#8217;s had thefirstman inspace, first woman in space and many successful missions back inthe 50&#8217;s and still<br />
today. NASA got 12 people to the Moon. Built and flew the shuttle withgretasucccesses and theoddd catastrophic failure. </p>
<p>Public space agencies (on behalf of all the people for everyone&#8217;s benefit)<br />
have launched and run all the space-probes to date from Magellan and Viking to Voyager and have sent four spacecraft beyond our solar system past the<br />
orbit of Pluto!</p>
<p>Private space agencies (for the personal profit of a few superwealthy elitists) have  &#8230; hmmm .. looks hard.. gets out microscope .. Ah yes, one or two sub-orbital flights with a couple of people pout in zero gee for a<br />
couple of minutes. So today they are where NASA was in the late 1950&#8217;s -60&#8217;s ..</p>
<p>Those results speak for themselves. And much as I&#8217;d cheer Branson, Rutan &#038;co on they say that Public is almost literally lightyears (or okay 100&#8217;s of AU at least!) ahead of private as far as space exploration goes. <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Lets not knock NASA too hard or be too ungrateful about them considering the<br />
magnitude of what they&#8217;ve achieved folks.</p>
<p> rivate is still</p>
<p>* For the record I&#8217;m an Aussie. Iceland topped the world according tohappiness and standard ofliving ina recent Un poll with theothers pretty much globally recognised for having good standards of living and being generally positive places tolive. The USA -soad tosay is along, long way behind them.</p>
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