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		<title>By: Isabell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/08/01/so-so-close-but-ufologist-blows-it/comment-page-3/#comment-115733</link>
		<dc:creator>Isabell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys still going at it! Be Nice! The last blog link is gone. Did I miss your report Greg? Ever get those calculations done, and have you seen anymore strange lights?

I know this is old news, but I am posting it for anyone who hasn&#039;t already read about this...

Below is a partial list of witnesses from within military/governmental departments that have given their sworn testimony at the National Press Club, Disclosure Project event...


Astronaut Edgar Mitchell

Astronaut Gordon Cooper

Monsignor Corrado Balducci

Dr. Carol Rosin

Admiral Lord Hill-Norton: Five-Star Admiral, Former Head of the British 
Ministry of Defense

Gordon Creighton: Former British Foreign Service Official

Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer

Dr. Alfred Webre: Former Senior Policy Analyst Stanford Research Institute

Denise McKenzie: Former SAIC employee

Colonel Phillip J. Corso, Sr.: US Army (ret.)

Colonel Ross Dedrickson: US Air Force/AEC (ret.)

Lieutenant Walter Haut: US Navy

Dr. Hal Puthoff

Dr. Eugene Mallove

Lieutenant Colonel Thomas E. Bearden: US Army (ret)

John Callahan: FAA Head of Accidents and Investigations

Larry Warren, Security Officer, RAF Bentwaters Woodbridge, NATO

Major George A. Filer III - USAF (Ret)

John Maynard: Defense Intelligence Agency (ret.)

Captain Robert Salas: US Air Force, SAC Launch Controller

Don Phillips: USAF, Lockheed Skunkworks, design engineer/CIA Contractor worked with Kelly Johnson

Lt. Col. Charles Brown: USAF (ret.) Office of Special Investigations, Project Grudge

Mark McCandlish: USAF, Conceptual artist for Rockwell X-30 program and HYSTP program

James Kopf: US Navy/NSA, Crypto Communications

Major-General Vasily Alexeyev: Russian Air Force

Nick Pope: British Ministry of Defense Official

Dr. Roberto Pinotti: Italian UFO expert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys still going at it! Be Nice! The last blog link is gone. Did I miss your report Greg? Ever get those calculations done, and have you seen anymore strange lights?</p>
<p>I know this is old news, but I am posting it for anyone who hasn&#8217;t already read about this&#8230;</p>
<p>Below is a partial list of witnesses from within military/governmental departments that have given their sworn testimony at the National Press Club, Disclosure Project event&#8230;</p>
<p>Astronaut Edgar Mitchell</p>
<p>Astronaut Gordon Cooper</p>
<p>Monsignor Corrado Balducci</p>
<p>Dr. Carol Rosin</p>
<p>Admiral Lord Hill-Norton: Five-Star Admiral, Former Head of the British<br />
Ministry of Defense</p>
<p>Gordon Creighton: Former British Foreign Service Official</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer</p>
<p>Dr. Alfred Webre: Former Senior Policy Analyst Stanford Research Institute</p>
<p>Denise McKenzie: Former SAIC employee</p>
<p>Colonel Phillip J. Corso, Sr.: US Army (ret.)</p>
<p>Colonel Ross Dedrickson: US Air Force/AEC (ret.)</p>
<p>Lieutenant Walter Haut: US Navy</p>
<p>Dr. Hal Puthoff</p>
<p>Dr. Eugene Mallove</p>
<p>Lieutenant Colonel Thomas E. Bearden: US Army (ret)</p>
<p>John Callahan: FAA Head of Accidents and Investigations</p>
<p>Larry Warren, Security Officer, RAF Bentwaters Woodbridge, NATO</p>
<p>Major George A. Filer III &#8211; USAF (Ret)</p>
<p>John Maynard: Defense Intelligence Agency (ret.)</p>
<p>Captain Robert Salas: US Air Force, SAC Launch Controller</p>
<p>Don Phillips: USAF, Lockheed Skunkworks, design engineer/CIA Contractor worked with Kelly Johnson</p>
<p>Lt. Col. Charles Brown: USAF (ret.) Office of Special Investigations, Project Grudge</p>
<p>Mark McCandlish: USAF, Conceptual artist for Rockwell X-30 program and HYSTP program</p>
<p>James Kopf: US Navy/NSA, Crypto Communications</p>
<p>Major-General Vasily Alexeyev: Russian Air Force</p>
<p>Nick Pope: British Ministry of Defense Official</p>
<p>Dr. Roberto Pinotti: Italian UFO expert</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Greg

I&#039;ve also asked John (on the Ed Mitchell Followup thread) to provide details of what he saw, or if I missed it, where it was that he posted.  He hasn&#039;t answered me, either.

John, I actually am curious about what it was that you saw.  Please post the details.  Maybe someone here can help shed light on what you may have seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Greg</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also asked John (on the Ed Mitchell Followup thread) to provide details of what he saw, or if I missed it, where it was that he posted.  He hasn&#8217;t answered me, either.</p>
<p>John, I actually am curious about what it was that you saw.  Please post the details.  Maybe someone here can help shed light on what you may have seen.</p>
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		<title>By: kuhnigget</title>
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		<dc:creator>kuhnigget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;20 years ago, every picture of Mars you saw was red. Then we start seeing a blue Mars&quot;

Uh, um, er....right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;20 years ago, every picture of Mars you saw was red. Then we start seeing a blue Mars&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh, um, er&#8230;.right.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg in Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Says:
August 6th, 2008 at 1:04 am

&lt;i&gt;@ Jan

“He WON’T be in the history books because of what he says about alien UFO’s.”

&lt;b&gt;He will be later, and the entire history of the second part of the 20th century will also be rewriten. I know this as I have knowledge of this, very much like Mitchell has knowledge of this. You don’t yet have the knowledge of this, so it’s expected for you to be sceptical, but you cannot say aliens aren’t visiting Earth as a truely accurate statement.&lt;/b&gt; You can accurately say there is no real physical evidence available to the public that aliens are visiting Earth, and that this means that none are likely to be visiting. But actually you just don’t know, and your available evidence may be lacking to make any real conclusion on the issue. What’s most likely is not always what is true. That is absolutely the same for any sceptic who wishes to make incorrect conclusions.&lt;/I&gt;

RAF asked you several times, and I asked you on August 6th, 2008 at 6:53 am, what &quot;evidence&quot; do you have that aliens are here now, and what is this &quot;knowledge&quot; that you and Mitchell have? Were you mistaken when you wrote the words, &quot;I know this and have knowledge of this,&quot; do you really have proof, or were you just making something up?

You have yet on this post or any other post actually provided your &quot;evidence.&quot; 

You are free to speculate and hypothesize all you want, but don&#039;t expect us to simply take your word for anything, without having proof.

8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Says:<br />
August 6th, 2008 at 1:04 am</p>
<p><i>@ Jan</p>
<p>“He WON’T be in the history books because of what he says about alien UFO’s.”</p>
<p><b>He will be later, and the entire history of the second part of the 20th century will also be rewriten. I know this as I have knowledge of this, very much like Mitchell has knowledge of this. You don’t yet have the knowledge of this, so it’s expected for you to be sceptical, but you cannot say aliens aren’t visiting Earth as a truely accurate statement.</b> You can accurately say there is no real physical evidence available to the public that aliens are visiting Earth, and that this means that none are likely to be visiting. But actually you just don’t know, and your available evidence may be lacking to make any real conclusion on the issue. What’s most likely is not always what is true. That is absolutely the same for any sceptic who wishes to make incorrect conclusions.</i></p>
<p>RAF asked you several times, and I asked you on August 6th, 2008 at 6:53 am, what &#8220;evidence&#8221; do you have that aliens are here now, and what is this &#8220;knowledge&#8221; that you and Mitchell have? Were you mistaken when you wrote the words, &#8220;I know this and have knowledge of this,&#8221; do you really have proof, or were you just making something up?</p>
<p>You have yet on this post or any other post actually provided your &#8220;evidence.&#8221; </p>
<p>You are free to speculate and hypothesize all you want, but don&#8217;t expect us to simply take your word for anything, without having proof.</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ RAF

Right so I can&#039;t talk off topic a bit without suffering your wrath then, or are you done behaving like a child?

And I do not have to say when I&#039;m speculating and when I&#039;m not.  You for some reason assume I&#039;m claiming certain things when I didn&#039;t.  I&#039;ve detailed a sightings I&#039;ve had in another blog on this site already and I&#039;ve not claimed to know it was aliens.  I can speculate whatever I want, and then make further speculation from that, but I have only claimed that I don&#039;t know what I saw.  You are asking for justification for everything I speculate, which is absolutely ridiculous.

You still don&#039;t get it that not everyone is a complete believer that wants aliens to exist, I would find it fascinating if they do exist, but I&#039;m only concerned with what&#039;s real and turns out to be the truth.  

&quot;If you can’t understand that, then I’m just about “done” with you.&quot;

You actually think you&#039;re doing favours for people by wasting their time, I don&#039;t think so.  Are you really so sad that you need to seek people out to attack just for stating they&#039;ve seen something unusual that&#039;s unidentified, and then speculating further on that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ RAF</p>
<p>Right so I can&#8217;t talk off topic a bit without suffering your wrath then, or are you done behaving like a child?</p>
<p>And I do not have to say when I&#8217;m speculating and when I&#8217;m not.  You for some reason assume I&#8217;m claiming certain things when I didn&#8217;t.  I&#8217;ve detailed a sightings I&#8217;ve had in another blog on this site already and I&#8217;ve not claimed to know it was aliens.  I can speculate whatever I want, and then make further speculation from that, but I have only claimed that I don&#8217;t know what I saw.  You are asking for justification for everything I speculate, which is absolutely ridiculous.</p>
<p>You still don&#8217;t get it that not everyone is a complete believer that wants aliens to exist, I would find it fascinating if they do exist, but I&#8217;m only concerned with what&#8217;s real and turns out to be the truth.  </p>
<p>&#8220;If you can’t understand that, then I’m just about “done” with you.&#8221;</p>
<p>You actually think you&#8217;re doing favours for people by wasting their time, I don&#8217;t think so.  Are you really so sad that you need to seek people out to attack just for stating they&#8217;ve seen something unusual that&#8217;s unidentified, and then speculating further on that?</p>
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		<title>By: natnat</title>
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		<dc:creator>natnat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Dr. Mitchell. He isn&#039;t the first astronaut to publicly come out stating that UFOS are real. Read about Gordon Cooper (one of the original Mercury 7 astronauts, and a test pilot at Edwards AFB.) He briefed the UN in the 70&#039;s over this, and personally relayed his own experiences with seeing UFOs in World War II, and also filming them in the desert while testing F-86 jets, only to have his film confiscated.  When these guys start talking, people should listen. Sure it&#039;s great fun to mess around and make jokes, but these men were chosen to walk on the moon and go to space due to being level headed, smart individuals. They were picked from thousands upon thousands of the best. To discount their opinion is ridiculous. 

What I believe is happening right now, is the bread and butter system. 20 years ago, every picture of Mars you saw was red. Then we start seeing a blue Mars. Then we hear about possible microbes in a meteor from Mars. Then we send probes to look for these microbes, and we discover possible evidence of ice. Now we are discovering entire frozen glacier pools up there along with Methane gas (sometimes methane gas can be an indicator of life and/or past life.) Slowly but surely, they are whittling away at public apprehension about extraterrestrials and UFOs. They are bringing us into an era where we are accepting of the fact that other planets may have ice/water/microbes/etc. By the time we are finally told the truth about aliens and UFOs, we won&#039;t even care because it will have been slowly hammered into our brains long before.  Take care and Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Dr. Mitchell. He isn&#8217;t the first astronaut to publicly come out stating that UFOS are real. Read about Gordon Cooper (one of the original Mercury 7 astronauts, and a test pilot at Edwards AFB.) He briefed the UN in the 70&#8217;s over this, and personally relayed his own experiences with seeing UFOs in World War II, and also filming them in the desert while testing F-86 jets, only to have his film confiscated.  When these guys start talking, people should listen. Sure it&#8217;s great fun to mess around and make jokes, but these men were chosen to walk on the moon and go to space due to being level headed, smart individuals. They were picked from thousands upon thousands of the best. To discount their opinion is ridiculous. </p>
<p>What I believe is happening right now, is the bread and butter system. 20 years ago, every picture of Mars you saw was red. Then we start seeing a blue Mars. Then we hear about possible microbes in a meteor from Mars. Then we send probes to look for these microbes, and we discover possible evidence of ice. Now we are discovering entire frozen glacier pools up there along with Methane gas (sometimes methane gas can be an indicator of life and/or past life.) Slowly but surely, they are whittling away at public apprehension about extraterrestrials and UFOs. They are bringing us into an era where we are accepting of the fact that other planets may have ice/water/microbes/etc. By the time we are finally told the truth about aliens and UFOs, we won&#8217;t even care because it will have been slowly hammered into our brains long before.  Take care and Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: RAF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John says: &quot;...sorry I forgot we’re not allowed to speculate not even one little bit.&quot; 

That&#039;s obviously NOT what I said...one can only wonder just why you find it necessary to &quot;twist&quot; what others say...

You started by saying that there would be evidence indicating that aliens have visited Earth. (and that the history books would have to be re-written). Then, (when you decided that argument wouldn&#039;t &quot;work&quot; for you) you decided it best to change that argument to include ANY aliens discovered ANYWHERE, ANYTIME.

No one here is saying that aliens will not be found somewhere, sometime in the future. What they are saying is that Dr. Mitchell has no evidence that aliens are here, now.

The 2 ideas are not the same, no matter how much you &quot;want&quot; them to be so. If you can&#039;t understand that, then I&#039;m just about &quot;done&quot; with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John says: &#8220;&#8230;sorry I forgot we’re not allowed to speculate not even one little bit.&#8221; </p>
<p>That&#8217;s obviously NOT what I said&#8230;one can only wonder just why you find it necessary to &#8220;twist&#8221; what others say&#8230;</p>
<p>You started by saying that there would be evidence indicating that aliens have visited Earth. (and that the history books would have to be re-written). Then, (when you decided that argument wouldn&#8217;t &#8220;work&#8221; for you) you decided it best to change that argument to include ANY aliens discovered ANYWHERE, ANYTIME.</p>
<p>No one here is saying that aliens will not be found somewhere, sometime in the future. What they are saying is that Dr. Mitchell has no evidence that aliens are here, now.</p>
<p>The 2 ideas are not the same, no matter how much you &#8220;want&#8221; them to be so. If you can&#8217;t understand that, then I&#8217;m just about &#8220;done&#8221; with you.</p>
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