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	<title>Comments on: Cassini to image Enceladus&#8217;s warm vents</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: MaDeR</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaDeR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Risky? MRO routinely do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Risky? MRO routinely do it.</p>
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		<title>By: John Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you need a parabolic nozzle?  The jets aren&#039;t that well collimated, especially considering that I don&#039;t believe that there are a lot of collisions in the jets.

But hey, if you prefer to assume we don&#039;t know mathematics and that we haven&#039;t modeled this jets*, I suppose nothing I can say will dissuade you from that.

* It&#039;s been (and is being) done by several competing teams, in fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you need a parabolic nozzle?  The jets aren&#8217;t that well collimated, especially considering that I don&#8217;t believe that there are a lot of collisions in the jets.</p>
<p>But hey, if you prefer to assume we don&#8217;t know mathematics and that we haven&#8217;t modeled this jets*, I suppose nothing I can say will dissuade you from that.</p>
<p>* It&#8217;s been (and is being) done by several competing teams, in fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bigfoot -
Thanks for confirming my suspicion of needing a high speed connection; I&#039;m on a landline connection.


What I wonder, is are there any multi-organ life forms in all that water?  It seems to me, something like jelly fish could be there.
That question&#039;s for this moon and Europa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bigfoot -<br />
Thanks for confirming my suspicion of needing a high speed connection; I&#8217;m on a landline connection.</p>
<p>What I wonder, is are there any multi-organ life forms in all that water?  It seems to me, something like jelly fish could be there.<br />
That question&#8217;s for this moon and Europa.</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first couple of skeet shot images are in, and they are a beaut! I do hope the thermal sensors got as lucky/qualified pointing.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Anyone care to speculate on how those vents manage to maintain their perfect parabolic nozzle shape, so they can blast collimated beams of matter hundreds of miles into space?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I haven&#039;t seen any evidence that the emissions consists of collimated flows. 

But in that is the case I assume that the emissions are so rarefied into the preexisting vacuum (well, almost, considering the ambient E ring) that they inhabit the &lt; href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_molecular_flow&quot;&gt;molecular flow&lt;/a&gt; regime of high vacuum. With in principle infinite free mean paths there isn&#039;t much angular divergence after passing a fairly short crack &quot;collimator&quot;. 

But I&#039;m curious about your proposed alternative, as I can&#039;t imagine any geophysical process that would differ substantially in geometry from a crack. (I assume that larger open liquid areas would mostly ice over and narrow down naturally.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first couple of skeet shot images are in, and they are a beaut! I do hope the thermal sensors got as lucky/qualified pointing.</p>
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Anyone care to speculate on how those vents manage to maintain their perfect parabolic nozzle shape, so they can blast collimated beams of matter hundreds of miles into space?
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<p>I haven&#8217;t seen any evidence that the emissions consists of collimated flows. </p>
<p>But in that is the case I assume that the emissions are so rarefied into the preexisting vacuum (well, almost, considering the ambient E ring) that they inhabit the < href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_molecular_flow">molecular flow regime of high vacuum. With in principle infinite free mean paths there isn&#8217;t much angular divergence after passing a fairly short crack &#8220;collimator&#8221;. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m curious about your proposed alternative, as I can&#8217;t imagine any geophysical process that would differ substantially in geometry from a crack. (I assume that larger open liquid areas would mostly ice over and narrow down naturally.)</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Robert:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Torbjörn Larsson is “all hot and bothered” but not the same way at all… probably.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, I&#039;m male. ... so of course I jumped on the opportunity to take a crack at BA&#039;s (intentional or unintentional) pun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Robert:</p>
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Torbjörn Larsson is “all hot and bothered” but not the same way at all… probably.
</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I&#8217;m male. &#8230; so of course I jumped on the opportunity to take a crack at BA&#8217;s (intentional or unintentional) pun.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone care to speculate on how those vents manage to maintain their perfect parabolic nozzle shape, so they can blast collimated beams of matter hundreds of miles into space?  Or how they keep the beams from spreading after they leave the nozzles?  The subject is carefully avoided in everything official I&#039;ve read about them.

Me, I&#039;m skeptical of perfectly parabolic nozzles formed and maintained in ice.  We know of another mechanism to heat and loft material from a planetary surface that doesn&#039;t demand a subterranean ammonia ocean or magical nozzles, but it involves mathematics that astronomers, as a rule, dislike intensely.  

The degree of credulity needed to accept the perfect-nozzles alternative is breathtaking.  Never let an astronomer pretend skepticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone care to speculate on how those vents manage to maintain their perfect parabolic nozzle shape, so they can blast collimated beams of matter hundreds of miles into space?  Or how they keep the beams from spreading after they leave the nozzles?  The subject is carefully avoided in everything official I&#8217;ve read about them.</p>
<p>Me, I&#8217;m skeptical of perfectly parabolic nozzles formed and maintained in ice.  We know of another mechanism to heat and loft material from a planetary surface that doesn&#8217;t demand a subterranean ammonia ocean or magical nozzles, but it involves mathematics that astronomers, as a rule, dislike intensely.  </p>
<p>The degree of credulity needed to accept the perfect-nozzles alternative is breathtaking.  Never let an astronomer pretend skepticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ansorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ansorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What did one bacteria say to another?

I really love those warm vents,,,

GAry 7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did one bacteria say to another?</p>
<p>I really love those warm vents,,,</p>
<p>GAry 7</p>
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