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	<title>Comments on: Antivaxxers must be stopped! NOW.</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Neds</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/08/22/antivaxxers-must-be-stopped-now/comment-page-6/#comment-218365</link>
		<dc:creator>Neds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having followed this discussion for a while now I had to point out a couple of huge facts the pro-vaxxers have overlooked:

Measles was already in decline before the vaccine was introduced. In England and Wales the annual death rate of children (under age 15) from measles declined from over 1,100 per million in the mid-neneteenth century, to a level of virtually 0, by the mid 1960&#039;s.

and also that you get measles outbreaks in areas with complete vaccination
 (Boulianne N, et al.(1991) [Major measles epidemic in the region of Quebec despite a 99% vaccine coverage]. Can J Public Health. 1991 May-Jun;82(3):189-90. French. PMID: 1884314; UI: 91356447)

So what is the point of a vaccine which cannot be said to have reduced incidence or death from the disease or stop you from getting it.

Brian was onto something before, Catching the disease gives life-long immunity. Vaccines at best give 10-15yr protection. Meaning what would be a harmless disease in childhood (such as mumps with 0 deaths in childhood) you are more succeptible to in adolesence or adulthood (mumps can cause infertility in young men)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having followed this discussion for a while now I had to point out a couple of huge facts the pro-vaxxers have overlooked:</p>
<p>Measles was already in decline before the vaccine was introduced. In England and Wales the annual death rate of children (under age 15) from measles declined from over 1,100 per million in the mid-neneteenth century, to a level of virtually 0, by the mid 1960&#8217;s.</p>
<p>and also that you get measles outbreaks in areas with complete vaccination<br />
 (Boulianne N, et al.(1991) [Major measles epidemic in the region of Quebec despite a 99% vaccine coverage]. Can J Public Health. 1991 May-Jun;82(3):189-90. French. PMID: 1884314; UI: 91356447)</p>
<p>So what is the point of a vaccine which cannot be said to have reduced incidence or death from the disease or stop you from getting it.</p>
<p>Brian was onto something before, Catching the disease gives life-long immunity. Vaccines at best give 10-15yr protection. Meaning what would be a harmless disease in childhood (such as mumps with 0 deaths in childhood) you are more succeptible to in adolesence or adulthood (mumps can cause infertility in young men)</p>
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		<title>By: Middle Raged Punk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why can&#8217;t I escape Fox &#8220;News&#8221;?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/08/22/antivaxxers-must-be-stopped-now/comment-page-6/#comment-205374</link>
		<dc:creator>Middle Raged Punk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why can&#8217;t I escape Fox &#8220;News&#8221;?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has shown this, but repeated fear mongering by anti-vaxxers has caused an increase in childhood diseases like measles and even death. A four week old baby died from whooping cough because not enough children were [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has shown this, but repeated fear mongering by anti-vaxxers has caused an increase in childhood diseases like measles and even death. A four week old baby died from whooping cough because not enough children were [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny McCarthy: spreading dangerous &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/08/22/antivaxxers-must-be-stopped-now/comment-page-6/#comment-197065</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny McCarthy: spreading dangerous &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] after me: Vaccines do not cause autism! We know they don&#8217;t. The tests have been done, the studies examined, and we know that vaccines [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] after me: Vaccines do not cause autism! We know they don&#8217;t. The tests have been done, the studies examined, and we know that vaccines [...]</p>
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		<title>By: autismomma</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/08/22/antivaxxers-must-be-stopped-now/comment-page-6/#comment-194295</link>
		<dc:creator>autismomma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignorance must be bliss, isn&#039;t it?  You tell me because I wouldn&#039;t know. 

Too many of us out there learned the hard way by having our children pumped full of these - many of them only minimally studied before release - drugs only to watch our children literally disappear into the chasm of autism.  I love it when people such as the author here claim &quot;study after study&quot; show vaccines do not cause autism and then have the audacity to only produce one or two links to studies.

Seriously, get your head out.  You won&#039;t find a person out there who is more knowledgeable and up-to-date and educated on different studies out there than a spectrum parent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignorance must be bliss, isn&#8217;t it?  You tell me because I wouldn&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>Too many of us out there learned the hard way by having our children pumped full of these &#8211; many of them only minimally studied before release &#8211; drugs only to watch our children literally disappear into the chasm of autism.  I love it when people such as the author here claim &#8220;study after study&#8221; show vaccines do not cause autism and then have the audacity to only produce one or two links to studies.</p>
<p>Seriously, get your head out.  You won&#8217;t find a person out there who is more knowledgeable and up-to-date and educated on different studies out there than a spectrum parent.</p>
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		<title>By: The Sad Corners of Crazy &#171; toxic culture</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/08/22/antivaxxers-must-be-stopped-now/comment-page-6/#comment-188878</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sad Corners of Crazy &#171; toxic culture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Body Count, is keeping up with the number of corpses on her anti-scientific hands. But hey, anti-vaxxers know just as much science as everybody else, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Body Count, is keeping up with the number of corpses on her anti-scientific hands. But hey, anti-vaxxers know just as much science as everybody else, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Antivaxxers on the rise in California &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/08/22/antivaxxers-must-be-stopped-now/comment-page-6/#comment-169985</link>
		<dc:creator>Antivaxxers on the rise in California &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] don&#8217;t think I need to go into details about how truly awful the antivaccination movement is, since I&#8217;ve hammered it so many times before. But just to let you know how pervasive and dangerous this borderline cult is, here&#8217;s an [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] don&#8217;t think I need to go into details about how truly awful the antivaccination movement is, since I&#8217;ve hammered it so many times before. But just to let you know how pervasive and dangerous this borderline cult is, here&#8217;s an [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vaccines and autism: yet another dead link &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/08/22/antivaxxers-must-be-stopped-now/comment-page-6/#comment-151487</link>
		<dc:creator>Vaccines and autism: yet another dead link &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not willing to let something like evidence sway them, turned instead to vaccines themselves, even though many studies have been made showing vaccines in general have no link to autism. Still, because this group is vocal and has larger-than-life spokesmen (and because it&#8217;s very [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not willing to let something like evidence sway them, turned instead to vaccines themselves, even though many studies have been made showing vaccines in general have no link to autism. Still, because this group is vocal and has larger-than-life spokesmen (and because it&#8217;s very [...]</p>
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