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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Memnok</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/03/skepticism-through-cartooning/comment-page-1/#comment-195641</link>
		<dc:creator>Memnok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TACCL
You missed the point of the cartoon entirely. The entire thing was about *chances*, that while being HIGHLY improbable, it&#039;s not impossible.

And the cupcake vs bird argument was stating that the watchmaker&#039;s argument comes from: you see a watch in a forest, and notice it must be designed due to its complexity; since lifeforms are ALSO complex, we are designed too [by a god]!  The author says that choosing complexity as the defining quality for &quot;being designed&quot; is a logical fallacy, because arbitrarily you could choose &quot;color&quot; to mean an item is &quot;tasty&quot;. Thus- cupcake vs bird. 

I know I restated what the author wrote, but eh...  Good comic by the way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TACCL<br />
You missed the point of the cartoon entirely. The entire thing was about *chances*, that while being HIGHLY improbable, it&#8217;s not impossible.</p>
<p>And the cupcake vs bird argument was stating that the watchmaker&#8217;s argument comes from: you see a watch in a forest, and notice it must be designed due to its complexity; since lifeforms are ALSO complex, we are designed too [by a god]!  The author says that choosing complexity as the defining quality for &#8220;being designed&#8221; is a logical fallacy, because arbitrarily you could choose &#8220;color&#8221; to mean an item is &#8220;tasty&#8221;. Thus- cupcake vs bird. </p>
<p>I know I restated what the author wrote, but eh&#8230;  Good comic by the way!</p>
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		<title>By: The Anti-cartoon Cruelty League</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/03/skepticism-through-cartooning/comment-page-1/#comment-118390</link>
		<dc:creator>The Anti-cartoon Cruelty League</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be a fair bit of cruelty towards cartoon characters there ...

The guy in the white room? What did he do to deserve that horrible and long drawn out death? 

It seems to me it demonstrates that if the cartoons authour was God we&#039;d all be in a hell of a lot of trouble. 

... &amp; are kids really so dumb they&#039;ll confuse a cupcake with a bird? Not likely! If naught else that shows in what utter contempt athiests hold the intellect of the normal people - &amp; how they&#039;d like to toy with &#039;em if they could..

The moral I take from it :

When people play God - things go horribly wrong. 
When God plays God  - all ends right..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be a fair bit of cruelty towards cartoon characters there &#8230;</p>
<p>The guy in the white room? What did he do to deserve that horrible and long drawn out death? </p>
<p>It seems to me it demonstrates that if the cartoons authour was God we&#8217;d all be in a hell of a lot of trouble. </p>
<p>&#8230; &#038; are kids really so dumb they&#8217;ll confuse a cupcake with a bird? Not likely! If naught else that shows in what utter contempt athiests hold the intellect of the normal people &#8211; &#038; how they&#8217;d like to toy with &#8216;em if they could..</p>
<p>The moral I take from it :</p>
<p>When people play God &#8211; things go horribly wrong.<br />
When God plays God  &#8211; all ends right..</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/03/skepticism-through-cartooning/comment-page-1/#comment-116021</link>
		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 04:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Nathan Myers:

I don&#039;t have anything against fairness, and in all fairness those people &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; need toothpaste. 

As for the rest of the commentary, congratulations; it is again a prime example of obtuseness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Nathan Myers:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have anything against fairness, and in all fairness those people <i>did</i> need toothpaste. </p>
<p>As for the rest of the commentary, congratulations; it is again a prime example of obtuseness.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Myers</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/03/skepticism-through-cartooning/comment-page-1/#comment-115702</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Torbjörn: What have you got  against fairness?  Many people who have access to toothpaste, and perhaps even use it, are no different from the people in the strip; consider Davidlpf. Although I am doubtful that he has a tail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Torbjörn: What have you got  against fairness?  Many people who have access to toothpaste, and perhaps even use it, are no different from the people in the strip; consider Davidlpf. Although I am doubtful that he has a tail.</p>
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		<title>By: Nemo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/03/skepticism-through-cartooning/comment-page-1/#comment-115640</link>
		<dc:creator>Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a nice illustration of the Lithic Principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a nice illustration of the Lithic Principle.</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/03/skepticism-through-cartooning/comment-page-1/#comment-115612</link>
		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
The Dr. Noodle Improbability was great but doesn’t it aid creationism’s ideas? ie, something that improbable must have been caused by a divine being…
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It was a bit aimless above and beyond portraying small probabilities/large number ideas. But assuming everything being equal, an observation that seems improbable reveals that there is in all likelihood an underlying process responsible. Say, big bang responsible for the observable universe as opposed to a massive vacuum fluctuation.

@ Nathan Myers:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
In fairness, they don’t really need toothpaste yet (unless they live on Hispaniola).
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Eh, why a nitpick, why the obtuseness, and why at the surface a contrafactual statement? IIRC the paleontological evidence is that human populations dental statuses takes a nosedive when they adopt agriculture. Also, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1797337&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;albeit bacterial phylogeny is a mess there is definitive signs of coevolution between &lt;i&gt;Streptococcus mutans&lt;/i&gt; and its current host&lt;/a&gt;, signifying some shared history.   

[As major religions correlate with agriculture I think the comic portrayed not only a realistic background but a likely one. Not that the details would detract from the message or the LOL.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
The Dr. Noodle Improbability was great but doesn’t it aid creationism’s ideas? ie, something that improbable must have been caused by a divine being…
</p></blockquote>
<p>It was a bit aimless above and beyond portraying small probabilities/large number ideas. But assuming everything being equal, an observation that seems improbable reveals that there is in all likelihood an underlying process responsible. Say, big bang responsible for the observable universe as opposed to a massive vacuum fluctuation.</p>
<p>@ Nathan Myers:</p>
<blockquote><p>
In fairness, they don’t really need toothpaste yet (unless they live on Hispaniola).
</p></blockquote>
<p>Eh, why a nitpick, why the obtuseness, and why at the surface a contrafactual statement? IIRC the paleontological evidence is that human populations dental statuses takes a nosedive when they adopt agriculture. Also, <a href="http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1797337" rel="nofollow">albeit bacterial phylogeny is a mess there is definitive signs of coevolution between <i>Streptococcus mutans</i> and its current host</a>, signifying some shared history.   </p>
<p>[As major religions correlate with agriculture I think the comic portrayed not only a realistic background but a likely one. Not that the details would detract from the message or the LOL.]</p>
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		<title>By: SF Reader</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/03/skepticism-through-cartooning/comment-page-1/#comment-115561</link>
		<dc:creator>SF Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Todd W: “Why do people feel the need to worship?”

I&#039;m convinced that some parent in the far past got tired of answering a child&#039;s questions and said the equivalent of &quot;God did it&quot; or perhaps &quot;Don&#039;t do that, or God will get you&quot;, and the rest is elaboration and CYA, followed by power games.

Dennis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Todd W: “Why do people feel the need to worship?”</p>
<p>I&#8217;m convinced that some parent in the far past got tired of answering a child&#8217;s questions and said the equivalent of &#8220;God did it&#8221; or perhaps &#8220;Don&#8217;t do that, or God will get you&#8221;, and the rest is elaboration and CYA, followed by power games.</p>
<p>Dennis</p>
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