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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t Be A Hadron Hater! &#171; Wired&#8217;s Best LHC Videos</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/11/uncritical-thinking-kills/comment-page-3/#comment-120956</link>
		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t Be A Hadron Hater! &#171; Wired&#8217;s Best LHC Videos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Astronomy does about other, satirical, end of the world type videos.  I posted about his article Uncritical Thinking Skills before but I think it deserves another [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t Be A Hadron Hater! &#171; Bad Astronomy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/11/uncritical-thinking-kills/comment-page-3/#comment-119613</link>
		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t Be A Hadron Hater! &#171; Bad Astronomy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Astronomy blogger Phil Plait talks about all things science related. In a post entitled Uncritical Thinking Skills he talks about the dangers of scientific ignorance and a lack of critical thinking. He even sites [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hawk

Despite your posts being woefully off-topic, I&#039;m going to address some of your comments.  First off, let me just kinda recap.  You are proposing to nuke all of:

Afghanistan, Iran, possibly Syria, possibly Pakistan, and use &quot;daisy cutters&quot; on Palestine

All without any further provocation, other than the perceived, and in some cases verified, support of terrorists.  That&#039;s whole countries.  The wholesale slaughter of everyone in them.  Then you say:

&lt;blockquote&gt;We, at least, give a damn about innocent life&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What about the average citizens in those countries who hate the terrorists and what they are causing just as much as you?  The man or woman who&#039;s just trying to make enough money to support his family in a regular ol&#039; job.  The kids that are going to school and playing outside.  The patients lying in hospital beds with some illness.  None of them is innocent, I guess, huh?  Just because they happen to live in those countries makes them our enemies.  Simply by having been born there, they are our enemies and are not innocent?

You also speak of using our might to deter other countries from attacking us.  Suppressing those who disagree with us.  Sounds rather despotic and un-American, to me, and smacks of dictators of the past: Ghengis Khan, Vlad Tepes, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, and, dare I say it, Sadam Hussein.

Speaking of Hussein, IIRC, he was an atheist and was an enemy of people like Osama Bin Laden.  Yeah, he was a prig, but he was hardly buddy-buddy with Bin Laden&#039;s crew.

Then there&#039;s the whole macho show of force...just nuking whole sovereign countries without taking any manner of diplomatic means to address the underlying issues.  Now, if I were in the government of the other countries in the world, I&#039;d worry that the U.S. is being led by a madman.  Sure, some of our enemies, real or imagined, might be cowed into submission if they had only themselves to rely on.  However, the actions that you propose would probably turn even our allies against us.

Furthermore, taking on such a despotic demeanor will likely just breed more terrorists.  The more people you slaughter, the more they will feel that diplomacy or even conventional warfare will not work.  What is left?  Guerrilla warfare, terrorism.  Inevitably the &quot;powerhouse&quot; will collapse, and likely from within.

Finally, terrorists use violence to get their message across and to scare their targets into compliance.  How are you being any different?  Your suggestions merely perpetuate the cycle.

While I understand the emotions of the issue, when thought through, your suggestions only stand to make things worse in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hawk</p>
<p>Despite your posts being woefully off-topic, I&#8217;m going to address some of your comments.  First off, let me just kinda recap.  You are proposing to nuke all of:</p>
<p>Afghanistan, Iran, possibly Syria, possibly Pakistan, and use &#8220;daisy cutters&#8221; on Palestine</p>
<p>All without any further provocation, other than the perceived, and in some cases verified, support of terrorists.  That&#8217;s whole countries.  The wholesale slaughter of everyone in them.  Then you say:</p>
<blockquote><p>We, at least, give a damn about innocent life</p></blockquote>
<p>What about the average citizens in those countries who hate the terrorists and what they are causing just as much as you?  The man or woman who&#8217;s just trying to make enough money to support his family in a regular ol&#8217; job.  The kids that are going to school and playing outside.  The patients lying in hospital beds with some illness.  None of them is innocent, I guess, huh?  Just because they happen to live in those countries makes them our enemies.  Simply by having been born there, they are our enemies and are not innocent?</p>
<p>You also speak of using our might to deter other countries from attacking us.  Suppressing those who disagree with us.  Sounds rather despotic and un-American, to me, and smacks of dictators of the past: Ghengis Khan, Vlad Tepes, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, and, dare I say it, Sadam Hussein.</p>
<p>Speaking of Hussein, IIRC, he was an atheist and was an enemy of people like Osama Bin Laden.  Yeah, he was a prig, but he was hardly buddy-buddy with Bin Laden&#8217;s crew.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the whole macho show of force&#8230;just nuking whole sovereign countries without taking any manner of diplomatic means to address the underlying issues.  Now, if I were in the government of the other countries in the world, I&#8217;d worry that the U.S. is being led by a madman.  Sure, some of our enemies, real or imagined, might be cowed into submission if they had only themselves to rely on.  However, the actions that you propose would probably turn even our allies against us.</p>
<p>Furthermore, taking on such a despotic demeanor will likely just breed more terrorists.  The more people you slaughter, the more they will feel that diplomacy or even conventional warfare will not work.  What is left?  Guerrilla warfare, terrorism.  Inevitably the &#8220;powerhouse&#8221; will collapse, and likely from within.</p>
<p>Finally, terrorists use violence to get their message across and to scare their targets into compliance.  How are you being any different?  Your suggestions merely perpetuate the cycle.</p>
<p>While I understand the emotions of the issue, when thought through, your suggestions only stand to make things worse in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ye Gods people.
How did this become about politics and wars?

I read these comments and despair at many of them.  So many of you have missed the point it is laughable, or taken the point in some direction that has nothing to do with the original topic!

If you are able, you need to fight the woo whereever you see it for the people that are not equipped to do it themselves. 

Fight the woo.

Over and out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ye Gods people.<br />
How did this become about politics and wars?</p>
<p>I read these comments and despair at many of them.  So many of you have missed the point it is laughable, or taken the point in some direction that has nothing to do with the original topic!</p>
<p>If you are able, you need to fight the woo whereever you see it for the people that are not equipped to do it themselves. </p>
<p>Fight the woo.</p>
<p>Over and out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mark Quinn &amp; SR
You seem to be under the impression that this site is a gathering place where the geniuses of the world come to poke fun at the lesser intellects of the world.  It’s not.  It’s a site where the regular people of the world come to learn and discuss science.  Phil’s posts are non-technical and very easy for all us regular people to understand.  I really don’t understand your criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mark Quinn &#038; SR<br />
You seem to be under the impression that this site is a gathering place where the geniuses of the world come to poke fun at the lesser intellects of the world.  It’s not.  It’s a site where the regular people of the world come to learn and discuss science.  Phil’s posts are non-technical and very easy for all us regular people to understand.  I really don’t understand your criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They choose to be against us - easier still w ehgo intheire without their support and with our ICBMs. 

They die. Bin Laden dies. We win. They become dust - radioactive dust. 

Any survivors get to realise they chose wrong and regtret it - tough shiite. 

ICBMs incase youdon&#039;;t already know = 

Inter 
Continental
Ballistic 
Missiles 

Pakistam lacks &#039;em.
We got &#039;em. 

Russia has them - but would hesitate to use &#039;em if we didn&#039;t threaten them, directly. 

Taking out the Terrorists who attacked us - well Russia won&#039;t mind too much. They&#039;ve got their own Muslim Terrorists in Chechnestan. Huff and puff as they may, the Russians will NOT die and destroy * their * country for the sake of the Iranians or Bin Laden or Palestine or wherever else. They might get angry - but they won&#039;t attack. They dare not.

Esp. if we show we&#039;re not too weak &amp; gutless to hit back at our enemies with ALL the forces at our disposal,incl.the most destructive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They choose to be against us &#8211; easier still w ehgo intheire without their support and with our ICBMs. </p>
<p>They die. Bin Laden dies. We win. They become dust &#8211; radioactive dust. </p>
<p>Any survivors get to realise they chose wrong and regtret it &#8211; tough shiite. </p>
<p>ICBMs incase youdon&#8217;;t already know = </p>
<p>Inter<br />
Continental<br />
Ballistic<br />
Missiles </p>
<p>Pakistam lacks &#8216;em.<br />
We got &#8216;em. </p>
<p>Russia has them &#8211; but would hesitate to use &#8216;em if we didn&#8217;t threaten them, directly. </p>
<p>Taking out the Terrorists who attacked us &#8211; well Russia won&#8217;t mind too much. They&#8217;ve got their own Muslim Terrorists in Chechnestan. Huff and puff as they may, the Russians will NOT die and destroy * their * country for the sake of the Iranians or Bin Laden or Palestine or wherever else. They might get angry &#8211; but they won&#8217;t attack. They dare not.</p>
<p>Esp. if we show we&#8217;re not too weak &#038; gutless to hit back at our enemies with ALL the forces at our disposal,incl.the most destructive.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually we should offer Pakistan a simple choice - give us their A-bombs and agree to NEVER seek nukes again  - or face the consequences. 

Make &#039;em choose once and for all  - are they with us or with the Terrorists?

They choose to be with us - to properly support us then we go in there with their support and kill the terrorists  incl. bin Laden sheltering there. War on terror ends - in victory. We&#039;re safe, they&#039;re dead. 

(Oh &amp; the Israelis are safe too. At long last.This is the day after we&#039;ve shown them we&#039;re serious by taking out Iran, Iraq, Gaza etc ..Without putting our troops in harms way and without messing about.) 

They choose to be withagainst uis - easier still w ehgo intheire  without their support and with our ICBMs. They die. Bin Laden dies. We win. Theey become dust -rasdioactive dust. Any survivors get to realise they chose wrong and regtret it - tough shiite. 

This should&#039;ve happened on Sept. 12th or maybe by latest October 2001. Sadly,  it didn&#039;t. 

Still there&#039;s always President McCain to do the right thing and be a real man and not what Arnie calls a girlie man.

Its pretty simple really : 

You&#039;re on our side or your not. 
You want America (&amp; the West) to win - or you don&#039;t. That&#039;s all. 

Liberals don&#039;t want us to win? Then they&#039;ll lose. You&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually we should offer Pakistan a simple choice &#8211; give us their A-bombs and agree to NEVER seek nukes again  &#8211; or face the consequences. </p>
<p>Make &#8216;em choose once and for all  &#8211; are they with us or with the Terrorists?</p>
<p>They choose to be with us &#8211; to properly support us then we go in there with their support and kill the terrorists  incl. bin Laden sheltering there. War on terror ends &#8211; in victory. We&#8217;re safe, they&#8217;re dead. </p>
<p>(Oh &#038; the Israelis are safe too. At long last.This is the day after we&#8217;ve shown them we&#8217;re serious by taking out Iran, Iraq, Gaza etc ..Without putting our troops in harms way and without messing about.) </p>
<p>They choose to be withagainst uis &#8211; easier still w ehgo intheire  without their support and with our ICBMs. They die. Bin Laden dies. We win. Theey become dust -rasdioactive dust. Any survivors get to realise they chose wrong and regtret it &#8211; tough shiite. </p>
<p>This should&#8217;ve happened on Sept. 12th or maybe by latest October 2001. Sadly,  it didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Still there&#8217;s always President McCain to do the right thing and be a real man and not what Arnie calls a girlie man.</p>
<p>Its pretty simple really : </p>
<p>You&#8217;re on our side or your not.<br />
You want America (&#038; the West) to win &#8211; or you don&#8217;t. That&#8217;s all. </p>
<p>Liberals don&#8217;t want us to win? Then they&#8217;ll lose. You&#8217;ll see.</p>
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