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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Shuttle safety dance &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/29/hubble-update/comment-page-1/#comment-174166</link>
		<dc:creator>Shuttle safety dance &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was done before, last September, again for the Hubble servicing mission. But that launch was scrubbed due to a failure of a component on Hubble. The launch was delayed until May of this year so that a spare part could be moved into the Shuttle [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was done before, last September, again for the Hubble servicing mission. But that launch was scrubbed due to a failure of a component on Hubble. The launch was delayed until May of this year so that a spare part could be moved into the Shuttle [...]</p>
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		<title>By: La NASA comienza a reconfigurar el Hubble : Blogografia /version beta/</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/29/hubble-update/comment-page-1/#comment-125940</link>
		<dc:creator>La NASA comienza a reconfigurar el Hubble : Blogografia /version beta/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] El componente estropeado, denominado Control Unit/Science Data Formatter, destacado en rojo en esta imagen - Foto NASA vía Bad Astronomy Blog [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] El componente estropeado, denominado Control Unit/Science Data Formatter, destacado en rojo en esta imagen &#8211; Foto NASA vía Bad Astronomy Blog [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Selección Digital&#187; microsiervos.com &#187; La NASA comienza a reconfigurar el Hubble</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/29/hubble-update/comment-page-1/#comment-125936</link>
		<dc:creator>Selección Digital&#187; microsiervos.com &#187; La NASA comienza a reconfigurar el Hubble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] El componente estropeado, denominado Control Unit/Science Data Formatter, destacado en rojo en esta imagen - Foto NASA vía Bad Astronomy Blog [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] El componente estropeado, denominado Control Unit/Science Data Formatter, destacado en rojo en esta imagen &#8211; Foto NASA vía Bad Astronomy Blog [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Again, the Universe makes me go &#8220;wow!&#8221; &#171; Peculiar Velocity</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/29/hubble-update/comment-page-1/#comment-125632</link>
		<dc:creator>Again, the Universe makes me go &#8220;wow!&#8221; &#171; Peculiar Velocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to send pictures back down to Earth for a few weeks now, as it&#8217;s come down with a bad case of broken electronics. In the meantime, they&#8217;ve still been able to do useful science by obtaining ever-more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to send pictures back down to Earth for a few weeks now, as it&#8217;s come down with a bad case of broken electronics. In the meantime, they&#8217;ve still been able to do useful science by obtaining ever-more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: NASA will try to fix Hubble tomorrow &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/29/hubble-update/comment-page-1/#comment-125598</link>
		<dc:creator>NASA will try to fix Hubble tomorrow &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] couple of weeks ago, a component on Hubble failed (read that link for the back story here). This critical piece of hardware controls almost all the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hubble Heritage&#8217;s diamond gift &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/09/29/hubble-update/comment-page-1/#comment-122668</link>
		<dc:creator>Hubble Heritage&#8217;s diamond gift &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hubble is having its woes right now, and even if it gets fixed its own clock is ticking. It was launched in April 1990 &#8212; I still remember it well, as I had just signed up to use it for my PhD project &#8212; and nothing lasts forever. But Hubble has taken thousands upon thousands of observations, all of which have been stored away. And while Hubble may eventually be shut off, the images, spectra, and other data it&#8217;s taken will live on. Astronomers a century from now will be digging through the archives, looking for an elusive supernova, a feature of a nebula that&#8217;s changed in the intervening years, the positions of stars in globular clusters, and the colors of galaxies so far away that when the light Hubble detected left them, the Earth was still a cooling ball of molten rock. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hubble is having its woes right now, and even if it gets fixed its own clock is ticking. It was launched in April 1990 &#8212; I still remember it well, as I had just signed up to use it for my PhD project &#8212; and nothing lasts forever. But Hubble has taken thousands upon thousands of observations, all of which have been stored away. And while Hubble may eventually be shut off, the images, spectra, and other data it&#8217;s taken will live on. Astronomers a century from now will be digging through the archives, looking for an elusive supernova, a feature of a nebula that&#8217;s changed in the intervening years, the positions of stars in globular clusters, and the colors of galaxies so far away that when the light Hubble detected left them, the Earth was still a cooling ball of molten rock. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz Parsec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz Parsec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone asked it is time to give up on Hubble and move on.  The JWST (often called Hubble&#039;s replacement, but it isn&#039;t really) won&#039;t be ready for launch until 2013 at the earliest.  Building and launching a true replacement for Hubble would cost at least $1.5B, or at least 3 times the cost of the servicing mission, and would take many years.  (My guess would be it would probably be quicker than the JWST if it was built to Hubble&#039;s specs and used as much spare equipment, the replacement instruments planned for SM4, etc., but would still take years to build.)

JWST will orbit at the Earth-Sun L2 point, about 1.5M km outside the Earth&#039;s orbit.   (By contrast, the Earth is about 100 times as far or about 150M km from the Sun.)  It is much too far away for the Shuttle to reach it and unlike Hubble, isn&#039;t designed for in-orbit servicing or repairs.   The Orion could get there by using an Earth Departure Stage launched by an Ares 5. like a Moon mission, but I don&#039;t think there are any plans for that, even as a contingency.  No grapple fixtures, for example.  I think it would make a good rehearsal mission before a moon landing (testing out everything in deep space, much quicker and easier than an asteroid rendezvous, and you don&#039;t get stuck if the LSAM fails.)

Someone in the other thread wondered if it would make more sense to put the Hubble on (or near?) the ISS to make servicing easier.  I think it would make sense to put observatories and other large, serviceable satellites in orbits in the same plane but somewhat higher than the ISS.  Raising or lowering the orbit of a satellite requires a relatively small amount of fuel.  (By contrast, orbital plane changes (such as changing from the Hubble&#039;s 28 degree orbit to the ISS&#039;s 50 degree orbit, or changing between two misaligned 50 degree orbits requires *HUGE* quantities of fuel. )  They could park the observatory in a co-planar orbit a few hundred miles about the ISS, and when they needed to service it, they could send a small space tug-type vehicle (a Soyuz, Progess, Orion, Dragon or ATV could all do the job it it was equipped with a small robot arm with a grappling adapter) that
would rendezvous with it, grab it and pull it back to the ISS.  Then ISS-based astronauts could then repair it, replace instruments, etc. using parts sent up on a Progress, ATV or other ISS supply flight.  They could take as long as necessary (wouldn&#039;t be restricted to a 14-day shuttle mission) and could check it out before using the tug to send it back to its parking orbit.  (By placing it in a higher orbit, it would remove any danger of it colliding with the ISS or lost cameras, tools, etc. or arriving or departing supply or crew flights, it would be exposed to less contamination from rocket exhaust, waste water, etc. than in the immediate vicinity  of the ISS, and there would be less air friction to cause its orbit to decay at a higher altitude.   (The shuttle servicing missions always boost the Hubble to the highest possible altitude before they leave for this reason.)

(They wouldn&#039;t want to just leave the observatory permanently attached to the ISS because then it would be subject to all the bumps of dockings, reboosts, people moving around inside, pumps moving water and fuel and thus changing the center of mass, the solar wings rotating, etc.  For many payloads (e.g. the AMS) this wouldn&#039;t matter but it would wreak havoc with a high-resolution telescope.  (Remember the Skylab astronauts running around the inside of it, creating artificial gravity for themselves?  I saw what that did to the solar telescope data.  Not pretty!  Well, actually, it was kind of interesting, but scientifically worthless.)

However, to move the Hubble to such an orbit would require retrieving it and bringing it back to Earth on one shuttle flight, and then re-launching it into the ISS&#039;s orbit on a 2nd flight.  For the same cost, they could do 2 servicing missions.  And the shuttle may not be powerful enough to launch it to the ISS orbit...  Hubble is currently in a 28 degree orbit which provides the maximum payload for a rocket launched from Cape Canaveral.  Launching to a higher (or lower) inclination orbit reduces the maximum payload significantly.  The ISS is in a 50 degree orbit to maximize the payload from Baikonur.  I don&#039;t think Soyuz&#039;s could reach it if it were in a lower inclination orbit, though that would increase the maximum payload for American and European launches to it.  That&#039;s one of the things that many people think is wrong with the ISS.

Maybe the next space observatory will take advantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone asked it is time to give up on Hubble and move on.  The JWST (often called Hubble&#8217;s replacement, but it isn&#8217;t really) won&#8217;t be ready for launch until 2013 at the earliest.  Building and launching a true replacement for Hubble would cost at least $1.5B, or at least 3 times the cost of the servicing mission, and would take many years.  (My guess would be it would probably be quicker than the JWST if it was built to Hubble&#8217;s specs and used as much spare equipment, the replacement instruments planned for SM4, etc., but would still take years to build.)</p>
<p>JWST will orbit at the Earth-Sun L2 point, about 1.5M km outside the Earth&#8217;s orbit.   (By contrast, the Earth is about 100 times as far or about 150M km from the Sun.)  It is much too far away for the Shuttle to reach it and unlike Hubble, isn&#8217;t designed for in-orbit servicing or repairs.   The Orion could get there by using an Earth Departure Stage launched by an Ares 5. like a Moon mission, but I don&#8217;t think there are any plans for that, even as a contingency.  No grapple fixtures, for example.  I think it would make a good rehearsal mission before a moon landing (testing out everything in deep space, much quicker and easier than an asteroid rendezvous, and you don&#8217;t get stuck if the LSAM fails.)</p>
<p>Someone in the other thread wondered if it would make more sense to put the Hubble on (or near?) the ISS to make servicing easier.  I think it would make sense to put observatories and other large, serviceable satellites in orbits in the same plane but somewhat higher than the ISS.  Raising or lowering the orbit of a satellite requires a relatively small amount of fuel.  (By contrast, orbital plane changes (such as changing from the Hubble&#8217;s 28 degree orbit to the ISS&#8217;s 50 degree orbit, or changing between two misaligned 50 degree orbits requires *HUGE* quantities of fuel. )  They could park the observatory in a co-planar orbit a few hundred miles about the ISS, and when they needed to service it, they could send a small space tug-type vehicle (a Soyuz, Progess, Orion, Dragon or ATV could all do the job it it was equipped with a small robot arm with a grappling adapter) that<br />
would rendezvous with it, grab it and pull it back to the ISS.  Then ISS-based astronauts could then repair it, replace instruments, etc. using parts sent up on a Progress, ATV or other ISS supply flight.  They could take as long as necessary (wouldn&#8217;t be restricted to a 14-day shuttle mission) and could check it out before using the tug to send it back to its parking orbit.  (By placing it in a higher orbit, it would remove any danger of it colliding with the ISS or lost cameras, tools, etc. or arriving or departing supply or crew flights, it would be exposed to less contamination from rocket exhaust, waste water, etc. than in the immediate vicinity  of the ISS, and there would be less air friction to cause its orbit to decay at a higher altitude.   (The shuttle servicing missions always boost the Hubble to the highest possible altitude before they leave for this reason.)</p>
<p>(They wouldn&#8217;t want to just leave the observatory permanently attached to the ISS because then it would be subject to all the bumps of dockings, reboosts, people moving around inside, pumps moving water and fuel and thus changing the center of mass, the solar wings rotating, etc.  For many payloads (e.g. the AMS) this wouldn&#8217;t matter but it would wreak havoc with a high-resolution telescope.  (Remember the Skylab astronauts running around the inside of it, creating artificial gravity for themselves?  I saw what that did to the solar telescope data.  Not pretty!  Well, actually, it was kind of interesting, but scientifically worthless.)</p>
<p>However, to move the Hubble to such an orbit would require retrieving it and bringing it back to Earth on one shuttle flight, and then re-launching it into the ISS&#8217;s orbit on a 2nd flight.  For the same cost, they could do 2 servicing missions.  And the shuttle may not be powerful enough to launch it to the ISS orbit&#8230;  Hubble is currently in a 28 degree orbit which provides the maximum payload for a rocket launched from Cape Canaveral.  Launching to a higher (or lower) inclination orbit reduces the maximum payload significantly.  The ISS is in a 50 degree orbit to maximize the payload from Baikonur.  I don&#8217;t think Soyuz&#8217;s could reach it if it were in a lower inclination orbit, though that would increase the maximum payload for American and European launches to it.  That&#8217;s one of the things that many people think is wrong with the ISS.</p>
<p>Maybe the next space observatory will take advantage.</p>
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