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	<title>Comments on: News Alert: LHC lawsuit collides with pavement</title>
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	<description>I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Large Hadron Colliders a DANGER?? - Page 49 - Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Large Hadron Colliders a DANGER?? - Page 49 - Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 23:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brown, a lack of subject matter jurisdiction isn&#039;t a technicality, but if you had read my post, you would realize that the court could have had subject matter jurisdiction if it wanted it. A court saying that they don&#039;t have it doesn&#039;t mean they can&#039;t have it, it means they don&#039;t want to have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brown, a lack of subject matter jurisdiction isn&#8217;t a technicality, but if you had read my post, you would realize that the court could have had subject matter jurisdiction if it wanted it. A court saying that they don&#8217;t have it doesn&#8217;t mean they can&#8217;t have it, it means they don&#8217;t want to have it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul
I watched the video.  A few things were funny.  The first is the contention that quantum physicists will do anything to prove Hawking right.  In fact, many physicists have devoted large chunks of their careers to showing that Hawking was wrong about information being destroyed by black holes.  And they’ve done a pretty good job of it.  Instead of just conceding defeat, Hawking instead said something to the effect of “We’ll I was wrong, but so were you guys.” He then proposed a hypothesis that looks strikingly crankish, and few physicists are taking it very seriously.

The second is that Hawking lecture was chopped up and edited in a way to make it sound like he saying things he isn’t.  Actually, the whole video was assembled this way.

The third is the premise that scientist are willing to destroy the earth to avoid admitting that they did the “wrong calculus”.  That’s just silly.  Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to go burn down my house before my wife finds out I spilled some water on the carpet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul<br />
I watched the video.  A few things were funny.  The first is the contention that quantum physicists will do anything to prove Hawking right.  In fact, many physicists have devoted large chunks of their careers to showing that Hawking was wrong about information being destroyed by black holes.  And they’ve done a pretty good job of it.  Instead of just conceding defeat, Hawking instead said something to the effect of “We’ll I was wrong, but so were you guys.” He then proposed a hypothesis that looks strikingly crankish, and few physicists are taking it very seriously.</p>
<p>The second is that Hawking lecture was chopped up and edited in a way to make it sound like he saying things he isn’t.  Actually, the whole video was assembled this way.</p>
<p>The third is the premise that scientist are willing to destroy the earth to avoid admitting that they did the “wrong calculus”.  That’s just silly.  Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to go burn down my house before my wife finds out I spilled some water on the carpet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ray 
Oh God. I’m going to partially defend Paul.
I think what he’s referring to is the fact that pre-little ice age, Scandinavians got most of their nutrition from dairy and livestock, but ate very little fish.   Once the little ice age hit, this became much more difficult.  People in Scandinavia and Iceland turned to fish in order to survive.  On Greenland they didn’t (We can tell this by looking at the lack of fish remains in their waste.)   The people there either died out or left.  One of the main theories why this happened is racism.  Basically, they couldn’t bring themselves to eat the same food that a group of people many considered to be sub-human ate.  Factors like deforestation also played a big role.  I’ve never heard of Christianity playing a part though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ray<br />
Oh God. I’m going to partially defend Paul.<br />
I think what he’s referring to is the fact that pre-little ice age, Scandinavians got most of their nutrition from dairy and livestock, but ate very little fish.   Once the little ice age hit, this became much more difficult.  People in Scandinavia and Iceland turned to fish in order to survive.  On Greenland they didn’t (We can tell this by looking at the lack of fish remains in their waste.)   The people there either died out or left.  One of the main theories why this happened is racism.  Basically, they couldn’t bring themselves to eat the same food that a group of people many considered to be sub-human ate.  Factors like deforestation also played a big role.  I’ve never heard of Christianity playing a part though.</p>
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		<title>By: Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be just a technicality, but legally speaking, lack of subject matter jurisdiction is NOT &quot;a technicality.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be just a technicality, but legally speaking, lack of subject matter jurisdiction is NOT &#8220;a technicality.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

I know you didn&#039;t make that video, but this is just wrong:

&quot;In groenland all white men died because they wouldnt eat fish as the
eskimos were doing. Their ideology (Christianity) forbade it then.&quot;

The Church allowed people to eat fish in those days.  If they didn&#039;t, most of northern europe would have died.

Also, the native Greenlanders will happily show people the fish traps and pens that have been discovered and dated to the Norse period, proving that the Greenland Norse caught and ate fish quite well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>I know you didn&#8217;t make that video, but this is just wrong:</p>
<p>&#8220;In groenland all white men died because they wouldnt eat fish as the<br />
eskimos were doing. Their ideology (Christianity) forbade it then.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Church allowed people to eat fish in those days.  If they didn&#8217;t, most of northern europe would have died.</p>
<p>Also, the native Greenlanders will happily show people the fish traps and pens that have been discovered and dated to the Norse period, proving that the Greenland Norse caught and ate fish quite well.</p>
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		<title>By: GumbyTheCat</title>
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		<dc:creator>GumbyTheCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? No comment from JTankers yet?

He must be busy pushing Hawaii to Europe so Wagner can refile his frivolous suit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? No comment from JTankers yet?</p>
<p>He must be busy pushing Hawaii to Europe so Wagner can refile his frivolous suit.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worry about those guys at the LHC.

What with Mark Millar&#039;s lunatical ravings (http://io9.com/5052610/hollywoods-new-player-declares-war-on-science) and the attempting bombing of Dr. Arthur Rosenbaum (http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jun/29/local/me-ucla29), I sometimes worry for their safety.

I really don&#039;t want the 21st century to be remembered for physical attacks on science and scientists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worry about those guys at the LHC.</p>
<p>What with Mark Millar&#8217;s lunatical ravings (<a href="http://io9.com/5052610/hollywoods-new-player-declares-war-on-science" rel="nofollow">http://io9.com/5052610/hollywoods-new-player-declares-war-on-science</a>) and the attempting bombing of Dr. Arthur Rosenbaum (<a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jun/29/local/me-ucla29" rel="nofollow">http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jun/29/local/me-ucla29</a>), I sometimes worry for their safety.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t want the 21st century to be remembered for physical attacks on science and scientists.</p>
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		<title>By: mandydax</title>
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		<dc:creator>mandydax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of the litigious who still cling tenaciously to their claims even after the claims are  shown to be wrong by scientists, I hope you&#039;re going to contribute to the discussion about Dr. Paul Offit&#039;s book &lt;i&gt;Autism&#039;s False Prophets&lt;/i&gt; over at &lt;a href=http://scienceblogs.com/bookclub/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The ScienceBlogs Book Club&lt;/a&gt;.  I know how strongly you feel about the antivaxxers, and know you&#039;ll want to read this book either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of the litigious who still cling tenaciously to their claims even after the claims are  shown to be wrong by scientists, I hope you&#8217;re going to contribute to the discussion about Dr. Paul Offit&#8217;s book <i>Autism&#8217;s False Prophets</i> over at <a href=http://scienceblogs.com/bookclub/ rel="nofollow">The ScienceBlogs Book Club</a>.  I know how strongly you feel about the antivaxxers, and know you&#8217;ll want to read this book either way.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Morrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are URLs for the Snopes pages on some of those urban legends:

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/microwavedpet.asp
http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/cruise.asp

This one is also of interest, and contains some examples of actual frivolous lawsuits, as well as legendary ones:

http://www.snopes.com/legal/lawsuits.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are URLs for the Snopes pages on some of those urban legends:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/microwavedpet.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/microwavedpet.asp</a><br />
<a href="http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/cruise.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/cruise.asp</a></p>
<p>This one is also of interest, and contains some examples of actual frivolous lawsuits, as well as legendary ones:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.snopes.com/legal/lawsuits.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.snopes.com/legal/lawsuits.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Elmar_M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elmar_M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and I actually remember reading the dog in the micrwave thing as an actual press agency news flash in a quite reputably (though sometimes arguably) newspaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and I actually remember reading the dog in the micrwave thing as an actual press agency news flash in a quite reputably (though sometimes arguably) newspaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Elmar_M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elmar_M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if all these are hoaxes, why do they have to put those damn ridiculous warning stickers on any fracking thing now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if all these are hoaxes, why do they have to put those damn ridiculous warning stickers on any fracking thing now?</p>
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		<title>By: Ruprecht</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruprecht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in Europe we have Otto Rössler, professor of chemistry of the University of Tübingen. He put his anti-LHC case before the European Court of Human Rights.
He claims that his &quot;own calculations have shown that it is quite plausible that ... little black holes survive and will grow exponentially and eat the planet from the inside&quot;. Here his 7 reasons the project should be stopped:
http://wissensnavigator.ch/documents/spiritualottoeroessler.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Europe we have Otto Rössler, professor of chemistry of the University of Tübingen. He put his anti-LHC case before the European Court of Human Rights.<br />
He claims that his &#8220;own calculations have shown that it is quite plausible that &#8230; little black holes survive and will grow exponentially and eat the planet from the inside&#8221;. Here his 7 reasons the project should be stopped:<br />
<a href="http://wissensnavigator.ch/documents/spiritualottoeroessler.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://wissensnavigator.ch/documents/spiritualottoeroessler.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Davidlpf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davidlpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put it this way Sibrel had a better chance in sueing Buzz Aldrin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put it this way Sibrel had a better chance in sueing Buzz Aldrin.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, &quot;You&#039;re A bunch of loons&quot; 

Don&#039;t type tired, folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, &#8220;You&#8217;re A bunch of loons&#8221; </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t type tired, folks.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil: &lt;I&gt;I’m glad the judge made the right decision, even if it was only a technicality.&lt;/I&gt;

Better a good legal technicality than an appealable &quot;You&#039;re but bunch of loons, get outta my courtroom!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil: <i>I’m glad the judge made the right decision, even if it was only a technicality.</i></p>
<p>Better a good legal technicality than an appealable &#8220;You&#8217;re but bunch of loons, get outta my courtroom!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torbjörn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Look up the circumstances of the coffee lawsuit. You might change your mind.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My own theory on american coffee is that they need to balance the non-provoking (in their mind) absence of roast and strength with a provoking amount of heat. 

I dunno why they think it&#039;s a good balance - I was scalded more times than I care to think of, driving away from a drive-through. Mostly because I needed to add some hefty amounts of freeze dried espresso powder to make it taste like actual coffee, while juggling the steering with the other hand.</description>
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Look up the circumstances of the coffee lawsuit. You might change your mind.
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<p>My own theory on american coffee is that they need to balance the non-provoking (in their mind) absence of roast and strength with a provoking amount of heat. </p>
<p>I dunno why they think it&#8217;s a good balance &#8211; I was scalded more times than I care to think of, driving away from a drive-through. Mostly because I needed to add some hefty amounts of freeze dried espresso powder to make it taste like actual coffee, while juggling the steering with the other hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Darkwinter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darkwinter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;&quot;Good news, everyone!&quot;&lt;/I&gt;

Phil + time = Farnsworth

On a more topical note, on behalf of Europe, thanks for the cranks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Good news, everyone!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Phil + time = Farnsworth</p>
<p>On a more topical note, on behalf of Europe, thanks for the cranks.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agree with DrFlimmer.

I wanted to answer s&#039;thing similar to what two europeans answered... but more.

&quot;As a European I would have say….No thanks we...&quot;
And I go on:
&quot;we already have enough of them. We call them... you know, ecologists or politicians&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree with DrFlimmer.</p>
<p>I wanted to answer s&#8217;thing similar to what two europeans answered&#8230; but more.</p>
<p>&#8220;As a European I would have say….No thanks we&#8230;&#8221;<br />
And I go on:<br />
&#8220;we already have enough of them. We call them&#8230; you know, ecologists or politicians&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Lillie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Lillie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has already been a suit filed in the EU Court of Human Rights. As far as I know an initial bd for a restraining order to stop operations at the LHC was denied, but the trial itself is moving forward.

@Larian LeQuella: Yes, one of the Plaintiffs in the US suit was also trying to stop RHIC, for exactly the same reasons. I blogged a little bit about this (link in my name).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has already been a suit filed in the EU Court of Human Rights. As far as I know an initial bd for a restraining order to stop operations at the LHC was denied, but the trial itself is moving forward.</p>
<p>@Larian LeQuella: Yes, one of the Plaintiffs in the US suit was also trying to stop RHIC, for exactly the same reasons. I blogged a little bit about this (link in my name).</p>
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		<title>By: Laguna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laguna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@RL
In Europe they tried to sue at the Administrative Court in Cologne and in Strasbourg at the European Court of Human Rights. They lost...

So thanks Phil, but no thanks, we have our own...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RL<br />
In Europe they tried to sue at the Administrative Court in Cologne and in Strasbourg at the European Court of Human Rights. They lost&#8230;</p>
<p>So thanks Phil, but no thanks, we have our own&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Phil:
Did you get past the title slide of Paul&#039;s ridiculous YouTube video?  About 20 sec in, somehow, rewriting Einstein&#039;s equation as M = E/c2 &quot;proves&quot; that black holes suck in mass at the speed of light!  ROTFLMFAO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Phil:<br />
Did you get past the title slide of Paul&#8217;s ridiculous YouTube video?  About 20 sec in, somehow, rewriting Einstein&#8217;s equation as M = E/c2 &#8220;proves&#8221; that black holes suck in mass at the speed of light!  ROTFLMFAO!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, this whole &quot;micro black hole&quot; reminds of something I saw recently. There is a crank-theory that puts forth an explanation for the weird nature of the &quot;Bermuda Triangle.&quot; It attempts to explain lost aircraft, lost ships, and just plain weird goings-on. Further, it attempts to explain other &quot;devil&#039;s triangles&quot; around the world.

If you saw that one television program on cable, you might already know it. You see, the crank-theory posits that there is a micro-black hole in the middle of the Bermuda Triangle which causes all kinds of unrelated calamity. The TV program was so full of holes (pun, pun, pun in the sun, sun, sun) and inexplicable arguments that I was laughing most of the way. (&quot;The opposite of a &#039;black hole&#039; is a &#039;white hole&#039; which scientists say create matter. Similarly, under the Bermuda Triangle, objects called &#039;black smokers&#039; spew out new material into the ocean. The similarities are remarkable.)

Now, I&#039;m wondering, of those people who believe that any micro-black holes that may be produced by the LHC will destroy the earth, are some the very same people that believe we have a black hole somehow situated in open water causing all kinds of paranormal activity? Is there a difference between a micro-black hole that&#039;s produced by science which may actually lead to a new understanding of the universe and a naturally occurring micro-black hole in the open ocean which allegedly produces such things as &quot;electronic fog&quot;? Or, simply, are man-made black holes more powerful than natural ones?

And can anyone answer that, much less ask it, with a straight face?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, this whole &#8220;micro black hole&#8221; reminds of something I saw recently. There is a crank-theory that puts forth an explanation for the weird nature of the &#8220;Bermuda Triangle.&#8221; It attempts to explain lost aircraft, lost ships, and just plain weird goings-on. Further, it attempts to explain other &#8220;devil&#8217;s triangles&#8221; around the world.</p>
<p>If you saw that one television program on cable, you might already know it. You see, the crank-theory posits that there is a micro-black hole in the middle of the Bermuda Triangle which causes all kinds of unrelated calamity. The TV program was so full of holes (pun, pun, pun in the sun, sun, sun) and inexplicable arguments that I was laughing most of the way. (&#8220;The opposite of a &#8216;black hole&#8217; is a &#8216;white hole&#8217; which scientists say create matter. Similarly, under the Bermuda Triangle, objects called &#8216;black smokers&#8217; spew out new material into the ocean. The similarities are remarkable.)</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m wondering, of those people who believe that any micro-black holes that may be produced by the LHC will destroy the earth, are some the very same people that believe we have a black hole somehow situated in open water causing all kinds of paranormal activity? Is there a difference between a micro-black hole that&#8217;s produced by science which may actually lead to a new understanding of the universe and a naturally occurring micro-black hole in the open ocean which allegedly produces such things as &#8220;electronic fog&#8221;? Or, simply, are man-made black holes more powerful than natural ones?</p>
<p>And can anyone answer that, much less ask it, with a straight face?</p>
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		<title>By: Rand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s a bit of an oversimplification to say that US courts don&#039;t have jurisdiction over something in Europe. There are plenty of instances in which US courts &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; exercised just such jurisdiction, and there is no doubt that more will occur, especially when environmental issues are concerned (the most famous probably being American courts stating to have jurisdiction over a project being done in the jungles of Sri Lanka).

The court didn&#039;t come out and say it, but the reason they dismissed this case is probably because of forum non conveniens. US courts are actually very, very good about dismissing cases that, while they technically could have heard, would be better off in a different country (the USA is probably the best in the world about doing it, in fact). There&#039;s no allegation that the Swiss (or French) have a court system that would be biased against an American plaintiff in this case, preventing a fair trial, so American courts feel no need to take the case.  If the collider were in a nation known for kangaroo courts, you better believe the court would have taken the case.

Sigh, sorry for the legal nerd-ese. I didn&#039;t mean for my comment to be that long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s a bit of an oversimplification to say that US courts don&#8217;t have jurisdiction over something in Europe. There are plenty of instances in which US courts <i>have</i> exercised just such jurisdiction, and there is no doubt that more will occur, especially when environmental issues are concerned (the most famous probably being American courts stating to have jurisdiction over a project being done in the jungles of Sri Lanka).</p>
<p>The court didn&#8217;t come out and say it, but the reason they dismissed this case is probably because of forum non conveniens. US courts are actually very, very good about dismissing cases that, while they technically could have heard, would be better off in a different country (the USA is probably the best in the world about doing it, in fact). There&#8217;s no allegation that the Swiss (or French) have a court system that would be biased against an American plaintiff in this case, preventing a fair trial, so American courts feel no need to take the case.  If the collider were in a nation known for kangaroo courts, you better believe the court would have taken the case.</p>
<p>Sigh, sorry for the legal nerd-ese. I didn&#8217;t mean for my comment to be that long.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg in Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Plaintiffs posit three separate theories regarding the
outcome of the LHC particle experiments: (1) the creation of a
runaway fusion reaction that would eventually convert all of
Earth into a single, large ‘strangelet’; (2) the creation of a
‘micro black hole’ into which the Earth would fall; and (3) the
creation of a runaway reaction due to the formation of a
‘magnetic monopole’. (Id.) Under all of Plaintiffs’ theories,
the LHC particle experiments could lead to the end of all
mankind. (Id.)&lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t these guys ever watch the movies? Everybody knows from &lt;i&gt;Spiderman 2&lt;/i&gt; that if there&#039;s a runaway fusion reaction, you just pull the plug. And if that doesn&#039;t work, then you simply dunk it into a river. No problem!

I think religious fanatics could start a world-wide holy war that could lead to the end of all mankind... should we sue to stop all religions?

If asteroids from space could lead to the end of all mankind, then who can we sue to stop all objects from hitting the earth?

8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Plaintiffs posit three separate theories regarding the<br />
outcome of the LHC particle experiments: (1) the creation of a<br />
runaway fusion reaction that would eventually convert all of<br />
Earth into a single, large ‘strangelet’; (2) the creation of a<br />
‘micro black hole’ into which the Earth would fall; and (3) the<br />
creation of a runaway reaction due to the formation of a<br />
‘magnetic monopole’. (Id.) Under all of Plaintiffs’ theories,<br />
the LHC particle experiments could lead to the end of all<br />
mankind. (Id.)</i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t these guys ever watch the movies? Everybody knows from <i>Spiderman 2</i> that if there&#8217;s a runaway fusion reaction, you just pull the plug. And if that doesn&#8217;t work, then you simply dunk it into a river. No problem!</p>
<p>I think religious fanatics could start a world-wide holy war that could lead to the end of all mankind&#8230; should we sue to stop all religions?</p>
<p>If asteroids from space could lead to the end of all mankind, then who can we sue to stop all objects from hitting the earth?</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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