Comments on: The history of the antivax movement http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/01/the-history-of-the-antivax-movement/ I am an astronomer, writer, and skeptic. I likes reality the way it is, and I aims to keep it that way. My real name is Phil Plait, and I run the Bad Astronomy blog. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:19:30 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Chiropractors or Voodoo Priests? « A Californian Living Down South http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/01/the-history-of-the-antivax-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-124702 Chiropractors or Voodoo Priests? « A Californian Living Down South Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:23:19 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/01/the-history-of-the-antivax-movement/#comment-124702 [...] I’m sorry, what?!  I’m a bit of a believer in science and all that (see Bad Astronomy and Salon.)  So that was a bit shocking and not [...] [...] I’m sorry, what?!  I’m a bit of a believer in science and all that (see Bad Astronomy and Salon.)  So that was a bit shocking and not [...]

]]> By: Nigel Depledge http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/01/the-history-of-the-antivax-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-122917 Nigel Depledge Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:54:19 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/01/the-history-of-the-antivax-movement/#comment-122917 FWIW, a search of PubMed using the string "+Rimland +autism" returns 34 results, of which one mentions vaccines in its title (most do not have abstracts available online), and this one is from 2004. Interestingly, Rimland (or someone sharing the same name?) is quite obviously involved with autism research from the 70s onwards. FWIW, a search of PubMed using the string “+Rimland +autism” returns 34 results, of which one mentions vaccines in its title (most do not have abstracts available online), and this one is from 2004. Interestingly, Rimland (or someone sharing the same name?) is quite obviously involved with autism research from the 70s onwards.

]]> By: LukeL http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/01/the-history-of-the-antivax-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-122600 LukeL Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:28:30 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/01/the-history-of-the-antivax-movement/#comment-122600 I think the anti vaccine movement is based on the real truth that a small percentage of people who get vaccines have adverse side effects, a small percentage (probably less than 1 in 100,000) die or have life threatening effects from a vaccine. Gardasil in particular has been in the media for causing a couple of deaths. This in no way means you shouldn't get a vaccine, you just need to way the risks and your lifestyle. Does everyone need an anthrax vaccine? no, do people who work around farm animals, maybe. I think the anti vaccine movement is based on the real truth that a small percentage of people who get vaccines have adverse side effects, a small percentage (probably less than 1 in 100,000) die or have life threatening effects from a vaccine. Gardasil in particular has been in the media for causing a couple of deaths.

This in no way means you shouldn’t get a vaccine, you just need to way the risks and your lifestyle. Does everyone need an anthrax vaccine? no, do people who work around farm animals, maybe.

]]> By: HCN http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/01/the-history-of-the-antivax-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-122591 HCN Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:46:35 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/01/the-history-of-the-antivax-movement/#comment-122591 More about those satanic ley lines, and the rationality of Scudamore/whale.to: http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=998 Scopie's Law here: http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Scopie%27s_Law More about those satanic ley lines, and the rationality of Scudamore/whale.to:
http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=998

Scopie’s Law here:
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Scopie%27s_Law

]]> By: HCN http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/01/the-history-of-the-antivax-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-122578 HCN Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:33:26 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/01/the-history-of-the-antivax-movement/#comment-122578 Tom, all she was saying was that you should not use the whale.to website. You may not have seen my posting because it was held up in moderation, but I say the same thing (the guy who runs whale.to is a long time usenet loon, he even claimed to have burned his bum on demonic ley lines... I kid you not!). Though I did find the actual first posting on usenet. Unfortunately, Rimland with his ARI and DAN were not doing good and useful research. I did some checking on the postings of the bit.listserv.autism group for mentions of Rimland in the early 1990s, and he does not seem to come off very well. It also looks like Rimland joined the "vaccines cause autism" bandwagon after Wakefield very poor study of a dozen kids. the quote of his you use, "The California study is one of many which shows this huge increase. The evidence that vaccines are a major cause of the increase comes from a number of directions." is actually quite silly. That is actually not true. You need to really read "Autism's False Prophets". Tom, all she was saying was that you should not use the whale.to website. You may not have seen my posting because it was held up in moderation, but I say the same thing (the guy who runs whale.to is a long time usenet loon, he even claimed to have burned his bum on demonic ley lines… I kid you not!). Though I did find the actual first posting on usenet.

Unfortunately, Rimland with his ARI and DAN were not doing good and useful research. I did some checking on the postings of the bit.listserv.autism group for mentions of Rimland in the early 1990s, and he does not seem to come off very well.

It also looks like Rimland joined the “vaccines cause autism” bandwagon after Wakefield very poor study of a dozen kids. the quote of his you use, “The California study is one of many which shows this huge increase. The evidence that vaccines are a major cause of the increase comes from a number of directions.” is actually quite silly. That is actually not true.

You need to really read “Autism’s False Prophets”.

]]> By: Tom Marking http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/01/the-history-of-the-antivax-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-122573 Tom Marking Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:01:24 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/01/the-history-of-the-antivax-movement/#comment-122573 "Dear Tom, In any discussion involving science or medicine, citing Whale.to as a credible source loses you the argument immediately …and gets you laughed out of the room. –Scopie’s Law Hahaha, goodbye." Yes, and you apparently don't even know that Rimland was the founder of both DAN! and ARI (Autism Research Institute) and you don't appear to know what those organizations stand for which makes me laugh at your ignorance. ARI doesn't even try to hide their position. They are quite proud of it: http://www.autismwebsite.com/aRI/vaccine/cnntranscript.htm BERNARD RIMLAND, AUTISM RESEARCH INSTITUTE: Well, I've been studying this matter for some 35, 40 years. Way back in the '60s, I began collecting information from parents about the possible causes of autism in their kids. Even back then, there were a number of parents who said their kid was quite normal until they got vaccinated. Nowadays, of course, the evidence is very, very convincing that the autism has extremely accelerated in its prevalence. The California study is one of many which shows this huge increase. The evidence that vaccines are a major cause of the increase comes from a number of directions. One direction that's been largely ignored are the laboratory studies. There are at least seven laboratory studies, clinical studies, of blood, cerebral, spinal fluid, biopsies of autistic children which show huge differences between autistic children and normal children in terms of the presence of things like measles vaccine virus in their intestinal tract, for example, or their neurons. So, there's one line of evidence. Another, of course, is that we have data from thousands of parents who testify, often with videotapes and photographs and eyewitness reports, that their kid was perfectly normal. And they can demonstrate it, as I say, very conclusively with tapes until after the vaccine. The kid retreated into autism. There's just converging evidence from many, many directions “Dear Tom,
In any discussion involving science or medicine, citing Whale.to as a credible source loses you the argument immediately …and gets you laughed out of the room.
–Scopie’s Law

Hahaha, goodbye.”

Yes, and you apparently don’t even know that Rimland was the founder of both DAN! and ARI (Autism Research Institute) and you don’t appear to know what those organizations stand for which makes me laugh at your ignorance. ARI doesn’t even try to hide their position. They are quite proud of it:

http://www.autismwebsite.com/aRI/vaccine/cnntranscript.htm

BERNARD RIMLAND, AUTISM RESEARCH INSTITUTE: Well, I’ve been studying this matter for some 35, 40 years.

Way back in the ’60s, I began collecting information from parents about the possible causes of autism in their kids. Even back then, there were a number of parents who said their kid was quite normal until they got vaccinated. Nowadays, of course, the evidence is very, very convincing that the autism has extremely accelerated in its prevalence.

The California study is one of many which shows this huge increase. The evidence that vaccines are a major cause of the increase comes from a number of directions. One direction that’s been largely ignored are the laboratory studies. There are at least seven laboratory studies, clinical studies, of blood, cerebral, spinal fluid, biopsies of autistic children which show huge differences between autistic children and normal children in terms of the presence of things like measles vaccine virus in their intestinal tract, for example, or their neurons. So, there’s one line of evidence.

Another, of course, is that we have data from thousands of parents who testify, often with videotapes and photographs and eyewitness reports, that their kid was perfectly normal. And they can demonstrate it, as I say, very conclusively with tapes until after the vaccine. The kid retreated into autism. There’s just converging evidence from many, many directions

]]> By: mandydax http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/01/the-history-of-the-antivax-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-122567 mandydax Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:44:25 +0000 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/01/the-history-of-the-antivax-movement/#comment-122567 Dear Tom, In any discussion involving science or medicine, citing Whale.to as a credible source loses you the argument immediately ...and gets you laughed out of the room. --Scopie's Law Hahaha, goodbye. Dear Tom,
In any discussion involving science or medicine, citing Whale.to as a credible source loses you the argument immediately …and gets you laughed out of the room.
–Scopie’s Law

Hahaha, goodbye.

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