BTW. Richard Steckis, Rudd’s proposal wasn’t a “carbon tax” but an emissions Trading scheme so youmay want to do your research & try and get some basic facts right before writing more.

Plus when you wrote :
Richard Steckis Says: October 6th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
“Oh. And StevoR. I think when the recession does come that people will be far more concerned with meeting their mortgage commitments, retaining their jobs and whether there will be a global conflict.”

That’s quite possibly true – we always focus on our own lives first and on our immediate short-term rather than long-term problems. Its a flaw in human thinking that may be our ultimate downfall. But just because our economic problems add to our environmental ones doesn’t mean we should or even can stop worrying about the latter. I think many, perhaps even most, people will still be concerned about the Greenhouse Effect *in addition* to worrying about the economic crisis and its impact. Ultimately, the environment is moreimportant than theeconomy -the formeris tehrealconcrete world about us, our airt, water and shelter – the latter is our artificial, arbitrary, non-functional system which give sus money based on tokens and ideas – NOT the real world of this bit of food or that bit of water.

Richard (or can I call you Dick?) Starkis contuinued :

“All this when the earth is about to go into a multi-decadal cooling phase. We know that a cooler climate is actually more dangerous than a warmer one particularly for those who live in the northern parts of the northern hemisphere.”

Hmm .. I live in the Southern hemisphere so !

We’ll see I guess but your claim to “know” a cooler climate is more dangerous than a warm one and that “the Earth is going into a multi-decadal cooling phase” is based on what exactly?

The records and the evidence as well as the real experts all seem to disagree with you there. You may perhaps quote one or two dubious &usually outdated papers from dubious sources – but us Climate Realists can point to a mountain of others by people who know what they’re talking about – & the hard data is on our side. The Anthropogenic Greenhouse Effect is pretty much clearly as real as Gravity or Evolution despite the Deniers attempts to claim otherwise.

Plus don’t forget too that humans – homo sapiens as well as Neathethals – actually evolved in an ice age. Whereas the last hothouse world era was the eocene – and before then the Dinosuars. If anything, I’d think ice age conditions suit us better.

Besides I like our planet with two icecaps and alpine glaciers – don’t you?

Plus when you wrote :

Richard Steckis Says: October 6th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
“Oh. And StevoR. I think when the recession does come that people will be far more concerned with meeting their mortgage commitments, retaining their jobs and whether there will be a global conflict. All this when the earth is about to go into a multi-decadal cooling phase. We know that a cooler climate is actually more dangerous than a warmer one particularly for those who live in the northern parts of the northern hemisphere.”

Don’t forget too that humans – homo sapiens as well as Neathethals – actually evolved in an ice age. If anything, I’d think ice age conditions suit us better.

Apparently our newly elected PM has been out of the country more days than he has been in … or more days than anyone else … or something like that.

Incidentally, nice to see that when you, David D, can’t attack the arguments you attack the person. Look up thelogical fallacy of ‘ad hominam’ mate, you might learn something.

@ Richard Steckis who said on October 6th, 2008 at 8:37 pm :

“StevoR: Read in Publications of the Astronomical Society of Australia 25(2): 85-93:

A Education Queensland, Toowoomba, QLD 4350, Australia
B Centre for Astronomy, Solar Radiation and Climate, University of Southern Queensland, Toowoomba, QLD 4350, Australia
C Corresponding author. Email: irgeo@ozemail.com.au.”

Hmm ..an astronomer NOT a qualified practicing climatologist, I see -from a uni. in Queensleand – Australia’s Deep North.

Well I guess that’s one source – now look at the thousands of scientists directly involved inclimatology who disagree, look at Hansen, at Tim Flannery, at all the IPCC members at well the vast majority of scientists who’ve devoted their time and effort to seriously studying the matter. They all wrong? I don’t think so!

Spin-coupling with the Jovian planets and the Sun? Hmm .. Yeah I can see the connection with the Anthropogenic Greenhouse Effect right there – NOT!

As to the 85-93 part of that – would those happen to be the years of publication – & was that paper 1985 or 1993? Either way, it’ would seem to be well about twenty years out of date. Hmm .. Got anything recent? No? Didn’t think so.

Plus I’m still not sure who funded that research either. Was it Shell or Exxon?

Plus, one last thing it he paper asked the question – did it answer it in the affirmative or the negative?

The solar forcing mechanism – or the idea that our Sun drives our climate -has been shown to break with recent climatological history. At one time our Sun was the major factor along with Milankovitch cycles and the positions of our continents. This is no longer the case – solar activity has been declining yet global warming has been increasing.

Why? Well, gee, it just might have some connection with all that stuff we’re putting into the atmosphere y’know! In fact it clearly does and only a handful of Deniers are saying otherwise and that’s just because they – or their patrons – simply can’t handle the truth.

“Oh. And Rudd’s popularity rating is plummeting. We are about to go into a global recession. Climate change scaremongering rubbish and Rudd’s carbon tax will go down the toilet along with the mighty economies of the world.”

Well ‘plummeting’ isn’t really the word – Rudd is still far more popular than Turnbull and the Liberal party – and you can’t sustain record popularity forever esp. when making tough decisions and facing troubled times as we are now.

That unfettered capitalism is imploding in a fall of its own making is very little to do with understanding climate change or the Anthropogenic Greenhouse Effect. Much as you – and everyone – may want the AGE to be “scaremongering rubbish”; blocking your eyes to its reality won’t make it go away. Its real, its happeneing and its better to face up to that stark truth sooner and act sooner rather than scream and shout and cover your eyes – & shut your mind – in denial until its way too late.

Sad thing is but, the boofheads that run this country don’t really listen to out science advisors. They pretend to, but they don’t. But it’s nice anyway. *points at the Murray-Darling river system*